This reminds me of something. I went into a local LDS FHC a couple of years ago to update my IGI info. Got to talking to the lady about names. She then tells me she is a DOVER. Her family came from England late 1800's to SC then to Utah. For those of us with earlier US roots, several of the Kings Creek lines became Mormons and headed off to Utah. Dennis -----Original Message----- From: Lou Morton Ellis [mailto:LEllis@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 10:02 AM To: DOVER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [DOVER-L] Re: Many Williams Thank you "Osborns!" I have the same wish. However, none of my Williams match your Williams. I do have a HORACE DOVER, s/o ANDREW, s/o WILLIAM ALFRED, s/o HENRY STANFORD, s/o ANDERSON (my line), s/o FRANCIS J. Maybe some of the list can help us. Lou Osborns wrote: > > My family is in Utah. My father was William Bryant Dover born in 1909. > His father was Horace Alvin Dover who's father was William Henry Dover born > 1836 in Littleworth, Oxford, England. You can see that my family was still > in England during the time that all these Dovers they are talking about > were already here in America. When my ansectors came to America they came > directly to Utah because of their conversion to the Mormon religion. I > have just noticed many Williams in the postings. Wish we would have a > common relative and could help each other out. > > ---------- > > From: Lou Morton Ellis <LEllis@ix.netcom.com> > > To: DOVER-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [DOVER-L] Dover stories > > Date: Sunday, April 11, 1999 3:23 PM > > > > Dear Gerry, Which William Dover was your father? I have 9 William > Dovers and > > not much on any of them. Thanks, Lou Morton Ellis > > > > Osborns wrote: > > > > > > Even though my Dovers were still in England during the times that all > of > > > you are researching, I still enjoy reading much of what you are > sending, > > > especially the last couple of days as I have been reading about > dialogues > > > from different parts of the country and family histories and stories. > I > > > want to thank all of you for these. I was especially interested in the > > > sing-alongs because I well remember how I loved it when my uncle who > played > > > the banjo would come home and all the aunts and uncles and any cousins > who > > > wanted to would get together at my grandma's house and have a big > > > sing-along. They had nice voices and did a lot of harmonizing! At one > > > such gathering they taped the singing and it is still one of my > favorite > > > tapes to listen too -- not only because it brings back such happy > memories > > > but also because most of them are gone now, including my father who's > name > > > was William Dover. A good old family name I am discovering. > > > Thanks! > > > Gerry Dover Osborn > > > > > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > > > Dover Family Geneology Forum > > > http://www.genforum.com/dover/ > > > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Dover > > > > > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > > The Dover mailing list, home page. > > A list of links to all the Dover GenConnect boards and other links > > http://pages.cthome.net/familytree/ > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== Some of the information you see may not be verified. Remember to verify sources yourself.

Did we ever come up with any specific Collins names that we need from Emmet Star's book that we need looked up? I will forward them on to my source if we have any. Hate to have her look up all 33 entries and send them to me. That is a lot of info to ask her type up, since it is not hers. Sharon Dover Romanek ============================================== SHARE'D Got Any Dover You Haven't Posted, Please Do Researching: Kirksey, Dover, Shrader, Tyner,McNabb romanek@cybertrails.com Sept 30-May 10 romanek@salisbury.net June 1-Sept 30 sromanek@hotmail.com Year Round BACK UP ONLY

Cont...... 6 May 1848 John Dover Thomas Dover ---EX [Thomas Dover had barely escaped excommunication earlier. In April 1846, " Thos Dover charg'd with standing up by his wife while a Presbyterian baptized his infant.Church believing by so doing he approbated the course. Robert Gastin appointed to cite him to our next meeting." The following month the church "took up the case of Br. T. Dover. from a letter sent up the Br. restored. But in May 1849, he was charged with "absenting himself from the church and other disorderly conduct. " The matter was resolved in September 1849 when he was "expelled for refusing to hear the church." Wm. Dover Martha Dover - EX {Excluded June 1849 for absenting from church for 12 months. Mary Dover - Ex Mahaly Dover [Margeret Campbell Derinda Dover Elizabeth A. Campbell According to notes of April, 1853, there were an inordingte number of dismissals recorded on this list for the period - 1848 - 1854, because of the creation of two daughter congregations. 1854 John Dover John Dover Jr. Jas.Dover- Ex Wm. Dover - EX Mahala Dover Margeret Campbell D Elizabeth A. Campbell- Ex [There are lots of Bird/Byrd/ Gladden, Gaston Whisenant, Mullenex, Hambright names among the lists.] Dorinda Dover Nancy Dover Martha J. Dover EX Loriza Dover - Ex Sarah Dover 1860- Oct. John Dover [Senior] -----Dead John Dover Jr. Felix Dover G.P. Dover Asa Dover Daniel Dover Dorind Dover Matilda Dover- D Nancy Dover A.J. Dickson[Married a MR. Dover] Elizabeth Dover Sarah B. Dover[married a Mr. Weaver] Tarissa Dover [married a Mr. Gillins] Martha Dover

Marjorie mentioned Wrightsborough which was St. Pauls Parish in Georgia: Notes: Records of the Quakers at Wrightsborough, Georgia, Introduction Page 1 Wrightsborough Township was settled in 1767 by some forty families of Orange County, North Carolina, led by Quakers Joseph Maddock and Johnathan Sell. Many of the Quaker families in this migration had moved as a group from New Castle [in Delaware, but then under the jurisdiction of Pennsylvania] and Chester County, Pennsylvania, to North Carolina in 1754-1755. Quarterly religious meetings were held alternatively between Cane Creek and New Garden, North Carolina prior to 1768. Notes: Settlement of Wrightsboro Colony in Georgia, Volume 10, Allen D. Candler Page 816, July 1769 Read a petition of John Dennis, Abraham Dennis, William Hickson, Richard Smith, Holland Middleton, John Dover, John Perkins, Ephraim Owen, Thomas Matthews, John Moore, Mordicai Moore, Thomas Moore, James McFarland, John Hill, James Hill, Ambrose Holliday, Richard Auston, Edward Eccles, and John Rogers, setting forth that they are desirous to obtain land out of the reserve made for the Quakers in Wrightsborough township in St. Paul's parish being some of them of that profession and others approved by them to become settlers there; they severally proved their family rights....granted to John Dover, three hundred acres.

I thought I would pass along this link to Virginia records that was shared with me. It looks like it could be a good one. I have not had the time to check it out yet. Sharon Dover Romanek http://image.vtls.com/ ============================================== SHARE'D Got Any Dover You Haven't Posted, Please Do Researching: Kirksey, Dover, Shrader, Tyner,McNabb romanek@cybertrails.com Sept 30-May 10 romanek@salisbury.net June 1-Sept 30 sromanek@hotmail.com Year Round BACK UP ONLY

Dear Gerry, Which William Dover was your father? I have 9 William Dovers and not much on any of them. Thanks, Lou Morton Ellis Osborns wrote: > > Even though my Dovers were still in England during the times that all of > you are researching, I still enjoy reading much of what you are sending, > especially the last couple of days as I have been reading about dialogues > from different parts of the country and family histories and stories. I > want to thank all of you for these. I was especially interested in the > sing-alongs because I well remember how I loved it when my uncle who played > the banjo would come home and all the aunts and uncles and any cousins who > wanted to would get together at my grandma's house and have a big > sing-along. They had nice voices and did a lot of harmonizing! At one > such gathering they taped the singing and it is still one of my favorite > tapes to listen too -- not only because it brings back such happy memories > but also because most of them are gone now, including my father who's name > was William Dover. A good old family name I am discovering. > Thanks! > Gerry Dover Osborn > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > Dover Family Geneology Forum > http://www.genforum.com/dover/ > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Dover

Burke County, North Carolina Records 1775-1821, Volume IV Page 7, William WALTON, Sen., Notice of intention to take dep. on Tues., Sept 18 (1798) at James BRITAIN's in Buncom(be) Co., of Jos. Tucker in suit of Walton vs. William DEVER. Page 7, Dep. of Abraham LEVY, lawful age: "in case of Wm. Walton vs. Wm. DEVER .... said DEVER left fences in bad repair ... resided on land. Taken at Pub. Whs. for Ins. Tob. at town of New Market, 1796." Page 48: Wm. WALTON & Wm. DEAVER, narrative case. DEAVER in 1771 & Jan 1772 in Amerherst Co., VA in Walnut Cove of Rucker's Run. Feb. 2, 1799. (& see p. 56 narrative case.) FIRST FEDERAL CENSUS, 1790 (BURKE COUNTY) Eleventh Company Wm. DEEVIR

Cherished Letters of Thomas Wayman Hendricks, Compiled by Josie Armstrong McLaughlin, 1947, Birmingham Publishing Co., pg. 13 Deaver History The Deaver genealogy has been hard to trace. Several interested persons have heard the story that three Deaver brothers came to Maryland with Lord Baltimore. I do not know that this is true. The name, I believe, is Dutch. Matthew Deaver, b. 1-16-1781, d. 3-3-1847, md. 9-13-1808 to Sheba (?), b. 11-26-1784, d. 2-1862 Children: Wilson B. Deaver, b. 5-25-1812, d. 10-11-1865 md. Mary (Polly) Staton Orlena Deaver (Mrs. Nathaniel Hillough) Eliza Deaver (Mrs. John Staton) Betsy Deaver (Mrs. Ellis Clowdus) Nancy Deaver Staton (Mrs. John I. Staton) Matthew may have been a veteran of the War of 1812. 1830 Blount Co., AL Federal Census, abstracted by Juanita Askew Matthew Deaver 1 male 15-20 1 male 40-50 1 female 5-10 1 female 10-15 2 females 15-20 1 female 40-50 1 female 70-80 (2 Slaves) 1840 Blount Co., AL Federal Census, abstracted by Juniata Askew M. Deavons 1 male 50-60 1 female 15-20 1 female 50-60 (8 Slaves) W.B. Deavour 2 males -5 1 male 5-10 1 male 15-20 1 male 20-30 2 females -5 1 female 5-10 1 female 20-30 (2 Slaves) (Above believed to be Matthew Deaver and son, Wilson B. Deaver) 1850 Blount Co., AL Federal Census, abstracted by Juanita Askew Wilson Deaver, 38 Mary, 36, TN John, 17 Martha, 16 Christopher, 14 William, 12 Etissor, 10, (female) Thomas, 8 Cariann, 6 Wilson, 4 Orlena, 2 (It appears from above, Wilson was born 1812, AL. Matthew doesn't appear on this census. Sheba appears as Pheby Deaver, 65, VA in home of her daughter Nancy (Mrs. George Staton) 1880 Blount Co. Federal Census abstracted by Carolina Nigg Eliza Cloudus gives he birthplace as AL, Matthew Deaver as PA and Sheba Deaver as VA

Burke County, North Carolina Land Records 1779-1790, Volume II #119, William DEVER, 300 acres Rims Creek the first bottom and good land above John DAVIDSON's entries at forks of creek. 4 Sept. 1783. #70, William DEVERS, 200 acres on Swanano in a little cove including small imp. and a large flat of Chestnut Timbered land .... 20 June 1787. #98, William DEVERS, 200 acres Jonathans Creek the first big Creek below Richland Creek, joining William DEVER SNR ... probably Jan. 1788. ESTATE PAPERS 1777-1795 About 1795, William DEVER, Jr., Jane DEVER 1790, Juror, William DEVER BUNCOMBE COUNTY, NORTH CAROLINA "NOTES" William Dover on jury duty January 1805 William and Polly Dover, children of James, deceased by April 1804 are appointed to the guardianship of Andrew Miller, maternal grandfather.

Dependent upon which version of the 1755/45 tax digest of Orange County you view, there were two John Dover's listed. One of these was a land surveyor, who is listed in some deeds in conjunction with Wm. Churlton, the surveyor responsible for surveying present day Raleigh or Charlotte (I forget which). Parts of Orange became other counties, and John Dover (one or both) was listed also in Mecklenberg, Tyron, Lincoln and other counties which were created out of the early counties or were themselves the early counties. I don't have my material with me at the present time, but Dennis and I and some others put together a document covering early references to land and court documents for John, Zeph, Joshua, Elijah, etc. Then, of course, there was the John Dover who obtained land with the Quaker population in Wrightsborough Georgia (probably one of the John's from Orange County). >>> <Cloversc@aol.com> 04/11/99 02:13pm >>> Ok, so today I got curious enough to pull out an Atlas, go to ancestry and rootsweb and try to add more to the mysteries of John #1, York Co. SC, and Hezekiah and Francis J. of Haw River. >From ancestry AIS NC census index it shows a John Dover in Buncombe Co. in 1800, 1820, and 1830. A John Dover Jr. in Buncombe Co. in 1820 (fed. pop schedules) John Dover in Rowan County in 1768 (Early Tax List and pop schedule) AND John Dover in Orange County, NC in 1755 (NC Early Census Index). Perhaps this has been posted before, but I don't remember a post showing a John D. in this area at this time. Haw River, of the time period that Hez, Francis J. and Joshua are place there, would have been in Orange County NC. So, a John Dover was somewhere near Haw River, NC 5 years before Francis, at least, was born. Janelle Dixon ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== Some of the information you see may not be verified. Remember to verify sources yourself.

Burke County, North Carolina Land Records 1751-1809, Volume III Thomas McGee vs. Nicholas Trosper, Bond: William and Nathan DEVERS, March (1787?). John Wilson assignee of Thomas DEVER cs. Wm. Graham. Bond: Jas. DEVER, June 22 (1789?).

Burke County, North Carolina Land Records 1778, Volume I #1190, p. 391, James DEVERES, 150 acres on south side of Catawba River joining William DEVARS and old lines of John Mc PETERS .... 19 Dec. 1778 #1662, p. 550, Margrat MAREY ...... 600 acres on Catawba River ... between William DEAVOR and James NEAL .... 31 Dec. 1778 Some more Burke Co. to follow.

After reading all of the stories about Dover's and music, I have become convinced that must be where I got my own love of music. I never played a piano, but was 1st chair Cornet in my high school band until 12th grade and someone came along who outdid me. I also love to sing, and have run the family crazy sometimes. I sang in choir for years, but I was never good enough, or BRAVE enough, to sing solo. Two of my 1st cousins, Uncle Dick Dover's children, are very musically talented. Neal can play piano, guitar, and sing, and has made his living doing so. So has his sister Cathy. Then, their sister Maxine's sons also have played and sang professionally in the past. Thanks for all the wonderful stories. Sherry

Folks, I am from the South (Alabama), my Mother was a Dover, and I have never heard "Dover" pronounced as "Dever", etc. Now, as for "Lula/Luler", "Thelma/Thelmer", "fire/far", "bear/bar", "hair/har", etc., YES, you do hear a lot of these pronunciations even now. However, mostly it's older people of a rural background, with not much education (although you do hear you do hear a few younger people do the same). When I was a kid and we used to visit Mama's relatives in the country, I was always very aware of the way they talked. I used to call it "hillbilly". Mama, by association I guess, lost a lot of the accent, and so did Aunt Cleo, and my two uncles who left the country and lived and worked in various cities in the U.S. There are two distinct accents here in the South (Alabama, at least), the "hillbilly" (old rural country accent), and, for lack of a better term that I can think of, a more "cultured" accent. The latter is spoken mostly by people who are better educated. I can't really describe it, you have to hear it. So, ya'll come on down! Sherry

Hi List, Been reading all of the posts about all the possible spellings of DOVER & have some info that may be useful to someone. I have a copy of Diary kept by a PARKER family member in Limestone Co, AL & Itawamba Co, MS, timeframe 1847-1869 where he noted mostly births, death & marriages. There is an entry for Julia DEAVERS, James DEAVERS, George DEAVERS, Parson DEAVOR, & Chris DEVORS. Be happy to copy these entries if anyone is interested. Marolyn

There is also a John Dover Jr listed on a land record of 1756 in Orange Co records, which would indicate at least two mature John Dover in the area. Bear in mind that Jr did not always mean father and son back then, but could also denote a younger and older person in the same neighborhood with the same name. SS

There are court records that say there was a John Dover in Orange Co, NC Mar 1753 as well. That's the same year that Joshua gives as dob in his pension papers. Sharon S

Ok, so today I got curious enough to pull out an Atlas, go to ancestry and rootsweb and try to add more to the mysteries of John #1, York Co. SC, and Hezekiah and Francis J. of Haw River. >From ancestry AIS NC census index it shows a John Dover in Buncombe Co. in 1800, 1820, and 1830. A John Dover Jr. in Buncombe Co. in 1820 (fed. pop schedules) John Dover in Rowan County in 1768 (Early Tax List and pop schedule) AND John Dover in Orange County, NC in 1755 (NC Early Census Index). Perhaps this has been posted before, but I don't remember a post showing a John D. in this area at this time. Haw River, of the time period that Hez, Francis J. and Joshua are place there, would have been in Orange County NC. So, a John Dover was somewhere near Haw River, NC 5 years before Francis, at least, was born. Janelle Dixon

Someone asked if there is a Fall River (where John Dover #1 supposedly landed) Re search on the internet - Fall River is south of Boston and north of Dartmouth. Janelle Dixon

Sharon couldn't have said it better about possible pronunciation of Dover. For what it's worth I grew up in York Co. SC and say it more along the lines of DOWVER. Although SC/NC accents are rich and varied, I can't think of a way to say it Southern that would translate to DEAVER - that sounds more New Englandish to me. The people on the outer banks of NC were said to have spoken the "King's English" at least until recent years and I'm not sure how they would say it. Also, not sure how a German accent (German settlements were also common in many of the parts of NC and SC that show up in discussions on this list) would translate it, or for that matter, the many Scots-Irish who were abundant along side (but not usually co-mingled with in the early days of settlement) the German groups.