The following is on the South Carolina Archives website concerning the Will of Michal Martin: Date: 1830 C. Description: MARTIN, MICHAL OF YORK DISTRICT, WILL TYPESCRIPT (ESTATE PACKET: CASE 18, FILE 771) (1 FRAME). Names Indexed: MARTIN, MICHAL/MARTIN, MOURNING/MARTIN, MICAIAH/MARTIN, MORGAN/DAVISON, JAMES/MANNING, WILLIAM/BARR, DAVID/MARTIN, MARTHA/MARTIN, MARY/MARTIN, MANNAN/ Locations: YORK DISTRICT/WOLF BRANCH Type: WILL (TYPESCRIPT)/

Burrell's Creek .... has never been found at USGS or on Google. There's an 1811 York warrant deed to John Carroway (?) for 744 acres that shows Burrell's Creek near Whisenhunt, Houser/Howser, and James Wallace near Kings Creek. The plat map shows the surnames of everybody except one person that's land is noted as "Dovers Land." The Dover Land looks like a big piece of property and has the Rocky Branch and Burrells Branch running on either side. James Wallace is shown. The chain bearers were John & Jacob Houser. This deed was recorded May 23, 1811. Looks like the same deed. -----Original Message----- From: Marjorie Stansel [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 3:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Dover] References to Dover in South Carolina Archives and History Index The following references appeared in a database search for South Carolina Archives and History (reached through the York County website). If any of you have more detail about any of these, please post to the list: =============== Date: 1811/06/05: John Caveny, Plat for 744 acres on Burrells and Rocky Branches, York District, Surveyed by John Brown. Names Indexed: John Caveny, John Brown, Dover, James Wallace, Whissenhunt, House. Locations: Burrells Branch/Kings Creek/Broad River/York District. ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== Dover resources at surname web http://www.surnameweb.org/registry/d/o/v/dover.shtml

The following references appeared in a database search for South Carolina Archives and History (reached through the York County website). If any of you have more detail about any of these, please post to the list: =============== >From South Carolina Department of Archives and History: Date: 1785C: Zephaniah Dover, Plat for 200 acres on waters of Kings Creek and Bells Branch, Camden District, surveyed by James Pinkerton on April 5, 1775. Names Indexed were: Zephaniah Dover, James Pinkerton, Mary Stephens, Francis Adams, Wilkyson Turner. Locations Camden District/Craven County/Broad River/Kings Creek/Bells Branch. Date: 1794/12/15: Committee on High Roads, Bridges, etc. Names Indexed: Elizabeth Dover, Thomas Lamar, Dr. Blyth, Alston Ducas. Locations: Edgefield County/Savannah River/Georgetown District/Cheraws District/Lynches Creek/ Black River/Kingstree/Cat Island. Date: 1801/08/01: Zephaniah Dover, Plat for 300 acres on Bears Branch of Clarks Fork, York District, Surveyed by Robert Kennedy. Locations: Bear Branch/Clarks Creek/Bullock Branch/Broad River/York District. Date: 1808/06/23: John B. Black, Plat for 1,000 acres on Clarks Fork, York District, Surveyed by John Brown. Names Indexed: John B. Black, John Brown, Henry Houser, Colwell, Boden and Dover. Locations: Clarks Creek/Broad River/Long Mountain/York District. Date: 1811/06/05: John Caveny, Plat for 744 acres on Burrells and Rocky Branches, York District, Surveyed by John Brown. Names Indexed: John Caveny, John Brown, Dover, James Wallace, Whissenhunt, House. Locations: Burrells Branch/Kings Creek/Broad River/York District. Date: 1836/10/07: John Mullinax of Spartanburg District, Will, Typescript (MSS WILL: Book C, Page 97) 3 Frames. Names Indexed: John Mullinax, Rebecca Mullinax, Hester (Slave), Samuel (Slave), Fany (Slave), Phebe (Slave), George (Slave), Moses (Slave), May (Slave), Masoura (Slave), David (Slave), Sweet William/Peter (Slave), Alpha (Slave), Simpson (Slave), Absalom/Guy Mullinax (Slave), John Stroble, Adam Gramling, John Murph, Mathew Mullinas, Frnces Dover, Anna Hendrix, Sarah Johnson, Martin Grimes, David Grimes, Mahala Grimes, Malinda Cowan, Fields Martin, Mrs. Absalon Martin, Absalon Martin, William Trimier, James Coan, Elisha Biship. Locations Indexed: Spartanburg District, Cub Branch.

Phillis, we have a list member for the ancestors of Derek who is not on Dover-L as far as I know. The others can respond because they are on the list. The fact that your DNA connects more closely to these members than me is a surprise to me because I think/thought my John was the neighbor of Fred, Elijah and Elijah in 1830 Buncombe and there's never been any indication that Frederick (married to Margaret) had any connection with the family of Francis J. Dover or his only proven brother Hezekiah. Ironically, my DNA matches closely with your family and that of FJD. I also think your Frederick Dover was the neighbor of Bailey Dover in 1840 Rabun County ... and that Bailey was (could have been) the elder brother of the Buncombe Dover's in 1830 Buncombe. Robert on the list recently made reference to a book called Sketches of Rabun County that contained Dover names. One of those in the index was Bailey Dover (1840 Rabun census) and the book says that another neighbor of Bailey, Sharrod Dover (another), was not related to Bailey. Sherrod was Sherrod Washington Dover son of Frederick & JANE Dover from 1850 Lumpkin County, Georgia who should be the same Frederick Dover mentioned in the 1819 York Co., SC court record with Hezekiah Dover proven brother of Francis J. Dover. FJD was living just a few miles away in Habersham County, Georgia at the time of Bailey's 1840 census (Bailey never left Rabun after arriving from Buncombe). The DNA results prove I think that the story in Sketches is not true. One unproven possibility with the DNA is that your Frederick might be a nephew of Francis J. Dover. We really need more DNA from York descendants. I realize that a lot of the list members aren't able to take the DNA, but "please," look for a living male Dover in/from the York area. They may know who their families were in the early or late 1800's. There's enough resources on our list that we can probably take their ancestry back even further. Right now I'm thinking about Shaderick Dover or any of the family of Morgan Dover. The DNA results for a proven descendant of Michael & Malinda Dover are due 1-18-04. It's all bewildering ... Dennis -----Original Message----- From: Keith Milton [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 6:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Dover] Today's DNA Results Dennis, I've looked at the test results for daddy and can you help me to understand some of this. One can you tell me which person is connected to the Thomas J. Dover. I have a Thomas Dover relative that was my ggfather Jason's brother. So from this test it looks like Derek,Charles and Max's family and mine are very close family. Do you think that Fred and Francis were brothers? I know my questions are probably out in left field, but I'm trying to piece all of this together. Would appreciate any help you can give me. Take care and God Bless. Phillis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Dover" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 6:21 PM Subject: [Dover] Today's DNA Results > Three new 25 marker results came out today for Larry, Leon and Jason Dover. > Phillis, I was right this time on this one :-). > > http://www.dovertree.com/pages/5/index.htm > > > > > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > If you need to contact the Listmanager, > please send your message to, Patricia at [email protected] > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== If you need to contact the Listmanager, please send your message to, Patricia at [email protected]

Marie, I'm not sure how to answer your question. In Part, I show in my notes/ hunches that Shaderick could be both the son of Elijah and Hezekiah. The following piece of the court record is part of the assault & battery charges filed against Hezekiah, Michael, Frederick and Shadrick Dover by Mannin Martin husband of Bershiber Dover. Obviously there's two Shad's because Morgan Dover in the deed is remembered as Morgan Shade Dover ... from memory I think. Maybe Sharon can help out here. I've always personally believed that the court case by Mannin Martin involved Hezekiah, his sons and his daughter Bershiber. An interesting question if Shaderick was not a son of Hezekiah and perhaps a nephew. “ … Court: ... be in ___that on the seventh day of August 1819 personnaly came Hezekiah Dover and Shadrick Dover and Fredrick Dover before me subscribing justice of said District and acknowledged themselves ___ State of SC, the sum of $50 the said Hezekiah Dover, the said Shadrick Dover the sum of $50, the said Fredrick Dover the sum of $50 to __ of their goods and chatels lands and ___ ___ state in …” Source: Janelle Dickson York County Deed Book ?, Page ? 18XX? Lease of mine land to P. E. Westmoreland & Co. Westmoreland¹s partners: Robert Love, Jr., John Martin, Morgan Dover, Alexander Martin, William Love, Shadrick (his X mark) Dover, John Arthur. Witnesses: James Epps, Mannin Martin [married to Bershiber Dover], Manning Martin, Sr. Source: Janelle Dickson -----Original Message----- From: Marie Willbrand [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 7:30 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [Dover] Dover Chronology Dennis are you talking about the Shadrick (Sp?) b 1795 (temple baptism LDS 17 Jan 1989) that is a brother to my Asa Dover b1801 York SC? If so, wouldn't that make him a son of Elijah b 1770. I had thought this Shadrick was Asa's son (although there is still a possibility he had a son by this name) until I found this Shadrick in Ancestry.com. Marie ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== Dover list home page http://pages.cthome.net/familytree/

Dennis, I've looked at the test results for daddy and can you help me to understand some of this. One can you tell me which person is connected to the Thomas J. Dover. I have a Thomas Dover relative that was my ggfather Jason's brother. So from this test it looks like Derek,Charles and Max's family and mine are very close family. Do you think that Fred and Francis were brothers? I know my questions are probably out in left field, but I'm trying to piece all of this together. Would appreciate any help you can give me. Take care and God Bless. Phillis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Dover" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 6:21 PM Subject: [Dover] Today's DNA Results > Three new 25 marker results came out today for Larry, Leon and Jason Dover. > Phillis, I was right this time on this one :-). > > http://www.dovertree.com/pages/5/index.htm > > > > > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > If you need to contact the Listmanager, > please send your message to, Patricia at [email protected] >

Dennis are you talking about the Shadrick (Sp?) b 1795 (temple baptism LDS 17 Jan 1989) that is a brother to my Asa Dover b1801 York SC? If so, wouldn't that make him a son of Elijah b 1770. I had thought this Shadrick was Asa's son (although there is still a possibility he had a son by this name) until I found this Shadrick in Ancestry.com. Marie

I found the following account on Ancestry that looks like it must be information recorded by the Mormons. I have no idea who this Mrs Dover might have been or her children. Description: The Mormons have left an indelible tradition wherever they have lived; whether stopping to improve their financial condition, accumulate necessary supplies and gear or to concentrate their energies toward their ultimate goal: Zion! An understanding of the history of this great people is predicated upon the knowledge of all conditions and persons having significant effect upon Mormon lives and activities either directly or indirectly. An Enduring Legacy brings to the reader accounts of important events, such as the death of Brigham Young; intimate untold stories of choice relics housed in the Pioneer Memorial Museum; heartwarming events related by pioneers; the accomplishments and life sketches of Daughters of Utah Pioneers presidents; the history of the Indians of the Great Basin and adjacent areas; a famous California pioneer cemetery and the stories of the people buried therein. Lastly the experiences of early pioneers are told through their poetry. Source Information: Ancestry.com. An Enduring Legacy [database online]. Orem, UT: MyFamily.com, Inc., 1998. Original data: Daughters of Utah Pioneers. An Enduring Legacy. Vol. I-XII. Salt Lake City, UT: Utah Printing Company, 1978. ******************************************** An Enduring Legacy An Enduring Legacy: Volume Eleven The Year 1887 Near-Disasters June 10, 1887. HOOKED BY A COW. Mrs. Dover, of the Twenty-first Ward, is still suffering quite severely from injuries received last Monday through being hooked by a cow. The animal has heretofore been considered very gentle, but on last Monday, while Mrs. Dover was standing in the yard with her infant in her arms, the cow was liberated from the stable and ran out to look for the calf, which was a few days old. Not seeing it, the animal apparently became enraged and ran at Mrs. Dover who endeavored to get out of the way, but could not do so. She was knocked down, but she managed to throw her child behind some currant bushes and out of harm's way. An Enduring Legacy An Enduring Legacy: Volume Eleven The Year 1887 Near-Disasters The infuriated beast hooked viciously for some time, striking the unfortunate lady many severe blows on the left shoulder, breast, and side. A young man nearby tried to get the animal off but could not until another man came to help him. Mrs. Dover was badly bruised, but she is now slowly recovering. Fortunately, the ends of the cow's horns had been sawed off or the injuries would have been even more severe. An Enduring Legacy An Enduring Legacy: Volume Eleven The Year 1887 A Wyoming Hermit A couple of hours after this occurrence, Mrs. Dover's son, eleven years of age, went in the yard to drive the cow into the stable, when the animal ran at him and caught him on her horn, throwing him fully ten feet and into a wagon that stood in the yard. He received a slight bruise on one leg. *********************************** I found these census records on the same page in Utah in the 21st Ward of Salt Lake City. These are indexed as DOVEN (except wife Sarah Dover) but I believe that they are actually DOVER. The 2nd Joseph Dover may actually be 37 yrs instead of 57. 1880 U.S. Federal Census > Utah Territory > Salt Lake > Salt Lake City >  District 49 Ancestry IM 16   Census Place 21st Ward, Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah   Family History Library Film   1255337   NA Film Number   T9-1337   Page Number   151D    Joseph DOVEN   Self   M   Male   W   55   ENG   Stone Mason   ENG   ENG   Sarah DOVER   Wife   M   Female   W   57   ENG   Keeping House   ENG   ENG  (four households down) Joseph DOVEN   Self   M   Male   W   57   ENG   Stone Cutter   ENG   ENG   Mary B. DOVEN   Wife   M   Female   W   32   SCOT   Keeping House   SCOT   SCOT   Joseph F. DOVEN   Son   S   Male   W   5   UT      ENG   SCOT   Mary A. R. DOVEN   Dau   S   Female   W   4   UT      ENG   SCOT   Deseret DOVEN   Dau   S   Female   W   2   UT      ENG   SCOT   Helen DOVEN   Dau   S   Female   W   7M   UT      ENG   SCOT   Mary LADELAW   MotherL   W   Female   W   58   ENG   At Home   ENG   ENG   Helen LADELAW   SisterL   S   Female   W   16   ENG   At School   ENG   ENG   Mary A. BELL   Aunt   M   Female   W   62   SCOT   At Home   SCOT   SCOT 

In a message dated 1/7/2004 3:05:08 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > I've arranged to have the entire manuscript copied. Turns out this still > may not be all of it. A lady in Odessa, TX loaned it to them to make a > copy of it. We hope they copied the whole thing Terry, The orginal handwritten memoirs by Jesse M Green was written in an old store ledger. Did they talk like this old store ledger was the manuscript that they had? The lady in Odessa, TX was probably Lorena (Joplin) Womble who was a step granddau of Jesse through his 5th wife Mrs Martha Ann (Sharpe) Chote who had children before they married. Mrs Womble died in 1998. The original ledger was supposed to be in the museum at the Texas Tech University in Lubbock, TX in 1967 when a couple of researchers were able to obtain a notarized copy of pages from the ledger listing the ancestors of Jesse M Green. The ledger had previously been in the possession of Ode Norris Green, a grandson of Jesse, who lived in Big Spring, TX at some time prior to the 1967 date as Mrs McCrary had remembered seeing it there. It was a grandson of Ode Norris Green who went and obtained a copy of these pages for these researchers at that time. I'm not sure if Ode Norris Green was the person who gave it to the museum -- I only know that it was in his home sometime prior to 1967. He had been dead for only a few days when these researchers wrote to him and his grandson went and made the copy of those pages for them. It is this old store ledger itself that we have been hunting for as it is supposed to be the original work of Jesse Mercer Green. Mrs Womble submitted what has become Version # 2 of the memoirs to a newsletter in AR before her death that contained more flowery descriptions and added info not found in the transcript that was done by Mrs Alline McCrary as Version # 1. My impression from what I have been told is that neither version of the transcriptions that we have seen so far covers the entire ledger book. Mrs Womble's version was much shorter than that done by Mrs McCrary and did not cover as much time period. At some later date after 1967 is when Mrs McCrary did her transcription. She is also now deceased. 1920 JOHNSTON CO, OK Green, Jessie?? M   (Ancestry  IM 4) -- Jesse Mercer Green       Roll: T625_1464 Page: 2B       ED: 93 Image: 0925       Township: Myrick 38 / 39 GREEN, Jesse M   83  GA NC SC Martha A               56 KS TN AR -- Mrs. Martha Ann (Sharpe) Chote JOPLIN, Delbert     10 AR AR AR  grandchild Nona L                   5  AR AR AR  grandchild --- Lorena (Joplin) Womble John D            2 3/12  OK AR AR  grandchild --- John Dale Joplin NOTE:  These grandchildren in the above were the children of Ophelia Chote / John Bluford Joplin. Sharon S

A correction to my previous message: The witness was a Notary Public not a lawyer. Robert Barnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Barnes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [Dover] Jesse Mercer Green > Sharon, > > The Tex Tech file does contain a "notarized statement", witnessed by a > lawyer, but that doesn't mean a lot. Yes, it's her signature; yes, it's a > notarized statement; yes, there is a little bit of typed up genealogy > data. The bottom line is Tex Tech was yet another recepient of the famed > biography (parts of it anyway) I think you already have. Ditto for the Tex > Rangers. > There was nothing at Tex Tech that resembled anything like a store ledger, > that is if they sent me copies of all the file contents, as they told me > they had. I fear the ledger book may have vanished. > > Robert > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 9:53 PM > Subject: Re: [Dover] Jesse Mercer Green > > > > In a message dated 1/7/2004 3:05:08 PM Central Standard Time, > > [email protected] writes: > > > > > I've arranged to have the entire manuscript copied. Turns out this > > > still > > > may not be all of it. A lady in Odessa, TX loaned it to them to make a > > > copy of it. We hope they copied the whole thing > > > > Terry, > > > > The orginal handwritten memoirs by Jesse M Green was written in an old > > store > > ledger. Did they talk like this old store ledger was the manuscript > > that they > > had? The lady in Odessa, TX was probably Lorena (Joplin) Womble who was > > a > > step granddau of Jesse through his 5th wife Mrs Martha Ann (Sharpe) > > Chote who > > had children before they married. Mrs Womble died in 1998. > > > > The original ledger was supposed to be in the museum at the Texas Tech > > University in Lubbock, TX in 1967 when a couple of researchers were able > > to obtain a > > notarized copy of pages from the ledger listing the ancestors of Jesse M > > Green. The ledger had previously been in the possession of Ode Norris > > Green, a > > grandson of Jesse, who lived in Big Spring, TX at some time prior to the > > 1967 > > date as Mrs McCrary had remembered seeing it there. It was a grandson > > of Ode > > Norris Green who went and obtained a copy of these pages for these > > researchers > > at that time. I'm not sure if Ode Norris Green was the person who gave > > it to > > the museum -- I only know that it was in his home sometime prior to > > 1967. He > > had been dead for only a few days when these researchers wrote to him > > and his > > grandson went and made the copy of those pages for them. > > > > It is this old store ledger itself that we have been hunting for as it > > is > > supposed to be the original work of Jesse Mercer Green. Mrs Womble > > submitted > > what has become Version # 2 of the memoirs to a newsletter in AR before > > her death > > that contained more flowery descriptions and added info not found in the > > transcript that was done by Mrs Alline McCrary as Version # 1. My > > impression from > > what I have been told is that neither version of the transcriptions that > > we > > have seen so far covers the entire ledger book. Mrs Womble's version > > was much > > shorter than that done by Mrs McCrary and did not cover as much time > > period. > > At some later date after 1967 is when Mrs McCrary did her transcription. > > She > > is also now deceased. > > > > 1920 JOHNSTON CO, OK > > Green, Jessie?? M (Ancestry IM 4) -- Jesse Mercer Green > > Roll: T625_1464 Page: 2B > > ED: 93 Image: 0925 > > Township: Myrick > > 38 / 39 > > GREEN, Jesse M 83 GA NC SC > > Martha A 56 KS TN AR -- Mrs. Martha Ann (Sharpe) Chote > > JOPLIN, Delbert 10 AR AR AR grandchild > > Nona L 5 AR AR AR grandchild --- Lorena (Joplin) Womble > > John D 2 3/12 OK AR AR grandchild --- John Dale Joplin > > > > NOTE: These grandchildren in the above were the children of Ophelia > > Chote / > > John Bluford Joplin. > > > > Sharon S > > > > > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > > GENEALOGY WITHOUT DOCUMENTATION IS MYTHOLOGY > > > > > > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > Dover archives > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

The contributor was Mrs. Roy O. (Lorena) Womble. R. Barnes --- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Jackson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [Dover] Jesse Mercer Green > I didn't write down the name of the contributor. Seems like the librarian > said Mrs. Roy > something. She definitely said "of Odessa, TX" > > [email protected] wrote: > > > In a message dated 1/7/2004 3:05:08 PM Central Standard Time, > > [email protected] writes: > > > > > I've arranged to have the entire manuscript copied. Turns out this > > > still > > > may not be all of it. A lady in Odessa, TX loaned it to them to make a > > > copy of it. We hope they copied the whole thing > > > > Terry, > > > > The orginal handwritten memoirs by Jesse M Green was written in an old > > store > > ledger. Did they talk like this old store ledger was the manuscript > > that they > > had? The lady in Odessa, TX was probably Lorena (Joplin) Womble who was > > a > > step granddau of Jesse through his 5th wife Mrs Martha Ann (Sharpe) > > Chote who > > had children before they married. Mrs Womble died in 1998. > > > > The original ledger was supposed to be in the museum at the Texas Tech > > University in Lubbock, TX in 1967 when a couple of researchers were able > > to obtain a > > notarized copy of pages from the ledger listing the ancestors of Jesse M > > Green. The ledger had previously been in the possession of Ode Norris > > Green, a > > grandson of Jesse, who lived in Big Spring, TX at some time prior to the > > 1967 > > date as Mrs McCrary had remembered seeing it there. It was a grandson > > of Ode > > Norris Green who went and obtained a copy of these pages for these > > researchers > > at that time. I'm not sure if Ode Norris Green was the person who gave > > it to > > the museum -- I only know that it was in his home sometime prior to > > 1967. He > > had been dead for only a few days when these researchers wrote to him > > and his > > grandson went and made the copy of those pages for them. > > > > It is this old store ledger itself that we have been hunting for as it > > is > > supposed to be the original work of Jesse Mercer Green. Mrs Womble > > submitted > > what has become Version # 2 of the memoirs to a newsletter in AR before > > her death > > that contained more flowery descriptions and added info not found in the > > transcript that was done by Mrs Alline McCrary as Version # 1. My > > impression from > > what I have been told is that neither version of the transcriptions that > > we > > have seen so far covers the entire ledger book. Mrs Womble's version > > was much > > shorter than that done by Mrs McCrary and did not cover as much time > > period. > > At some later date after 1967 is when Mrs McCrary did her transcription. > > She > > is also now deceased. > > > > 1920 JOHNSTON CO, OK > > Green, Jessie?? M (Ancestry IM 4) -- Jesse Mercer Green > > Roll: T625_1464 Page: 2B > > ED: 93 Image: 0925 > > Township: Myrick > > 38 / 39 > > GREEN, Jesse M 83 GA NC SC > > Martha A 56 KS TN AR -- Mrs. Martha Ann (Sharpe) Chote > > JOPLIN, Delbert 10 AR AR AR grandchild > > Nona L 5 AR AR AR grandchild --- Lorena (Joplin) > > Womble > > John D 2 3/12 OK AR AR grandchild --- John Dale Joplin > > > > NOTE: These grandchildren in the above were the children of Ophelia > > Chote / > > John Bluford Joplin. > > > > Sharon S > > > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > > GENEALOGY WITHOUT DOCUMENTATION IS MYTHOLOGY > > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > Genconnect board > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=surnames.dover > >

Sharon, The Tex Tech file does contain a "notarized statement", witnessed by a lawyer, but that doesn't mean a lot. Yes, it's her signature; yes, it's a notarized statement; yes, there is a little bit of typed up genealogy data. The bottom line is Tex Tech was yet another recepient of the famed biography (parts of it anyway) I think you already have. Ditto for the Tex Rangers. There was nothing at Tex Tech that resembled anything like a store ledger, that is if they sent me copies of all the file contents, as they told me they had. I fear the ledger book may have vanished. Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [Dover] Jesse Mercer Green > In a message dated 1/7/2004 3:05:08 PM Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > I've arranged to have the entire manuscript copied. Turns out this still > > may not be all of it. A lady in Odessa, TX loaned it to them to make a > > copy of it. We hope they copied the whole thing > > Terry, > > The orginal handwritten memoirs by Jesse M Green was written in an old > store > ledger. Did they talk like this old store ledger was the manuscript that > they > had? The lady in Odessa, TX was probably Lorena (Joplin) Womble who was a > step granddau of Jesse through his 5th wife Mrs Martha Ann (Sharpe) Chote > who > had children before they married. Mrs Womble died in 1998. > > The original ledger was supposed to be in the museum at the Texas Tech > University in Lubbock, TX in 1967 when a couple of researchers were able > to obtain a > notarized copy of pages from the ledger listing the ancestors of Jesse M > Green. The ledger had previously been in the possession of Ode Norris > Green, a > grandson of Jesse, who lived in Big Spring, TX at some time prior to the > 1967 > date as Mrs McCrary had remembered seeing it there. It was a grandson of > Ode > Norris Green who went and obtained a copy of these pages for these > researchers > at that time. I'm not sure if Ode Norris Green was the person who gave it > to > the museum -- I only know that it was in his home sometime prior to 1967. > He > had been dead for only a few days when these researchers wrote to him and > his > grandson went and made the copy of those pages for them. > > It is this old store ledger itself that we have been hunting for as it is > supposed to be the original work of Jesse Mercer Green. Mrs Womble > submitted > what has become Version # 2 of the memoirs to a newsletter in AR before > her death > that contained more flowery descriptions and added info not found in the > transcript that was done by Mrs Alline McCrary as Version # 1. My > impression from > what I have been told is that neither version of the transcriptions that > we > have seen so far covers the entire ledger book. Mrs Womble's version was > much > shorter than that done by Mrs McCrary and did not cover as much time > period. > At some later date after 1967 is when Mrs McCrary did her transcription. > She > is also now deceased. > > 1920 JOHNSTON CO, OK > Green, Jessie?? M (Ancestry IM 4) -- Jesse Mercer Green > Roll: T625_1464 Page: 2B > ED: 93 Image: 0925 > Township: Myrick > 38 / 39 > GREEN, Jesse M 83 GA NC SC > Martha A 56 KS TN AR -- Mrs. Martha Ann (Sharpe) Chote > JOPLIN, Delbert 10 AR AR AR grandchild > Nona L 5 AR AR AR grandchild --- Lorena (Joplin) Womble > John D 2 3/12 OK AR AR grandchild --- John Dale Joplin > > NOTE: These grandchildren in the above were the children of Ophelia Chote > / > John Bluford Joplin. > > Sharon S > > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > GENEALOGY WITHOUT DOCUMENTATION IS MYTHOLOGY > >

I didn't write down the name of the contributor. Seems like the librarian said Mrs. Roy something. She definitely said "of Odessa, TX" [email protected] wrote: > In a message dated 1/7/2004 3:05:08 PM Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > I've arranged to have the entire manuscript copied. Turns out this still > > may not be all of it. A lady in Odessa, TX loaned it to them to make a > > copy of it. We hope they copied the whole thing > > Terry, > > The orginal handwritten memoirs by Jesse M Green was written in an old store > ledger. Did they talk like this old store ledger was the manuscript that they > had? The lady in Odessa, TX was probably Lorena (Joplin) Womble who was a > step granddau of Jesse through his 5th wife Mrs Martha Ann (Sharpe) Chote who > had children before they married. Mrs Womble died in 1998. > > The original ledger was supposed to be in the museum at the Texas Tech > University in Lubbock, TX in 1967 when a couple of researchers were able to obtain a > notarized copy of pages from the ledger listing the ancestors of Jesse M > Green. The ledger had previously been in the possession of Ode Norris Green, a > grandson of Jesse, who lived in Big Spring, TX at some time prior to the 1967 > date as Mrs McCrary had remembered seeing it there. It was a grandson of Ode > Norris Green who went and obtained a copy of these pages for these researchers > at that time. I'm not sure if Ode Norris Green was the person who gave it to > the museum -- I only know that it was in his home sometime prior to 1967. He > had been dead for only a few days when these researchers wrote to him and his > grandson went and made the copy of those pages for them. > > It is this old store ledger itself that we have been hunting for as it is > supposed to be the original work of Jesse Mercer Green. Mrs Womble submitted > what has become Version # 2 of the memoirs to a newsletter in AR before her death > that contained more flowery descriptions and added info not found in the > transcript that was done by Mrs Alline McCrary as Version # 1. My impression from > what I have been told is that neither version of the transcriptions that we > have seen so far covers the entire ledger book. Mrs Womble's version was much > shorter than that done by Mrs McCrary and did not cover as much time period. > At some later date after 1967 is when Mrs McCrary did her transcription. She > is also now deceased. > > 1920 JOHNSTON CO, OK > Green, Jessie?? M (Ancestry IM 4) -- Jesse Mercer Green > Roll: T625_1464 Page: 2B > ED: 93 Image: 0925 > Township: Myrick > 38 / 39 > GREEN, Jesse M 83 GA NC SC > Martha A 56 KS TN AR -- Mrs. Martha Ann (Sharpe) Chote > JOPLIN, Delbert 10 AR AR AR grandchild > Nona L 5 AR AR AR grandchild --- Lorena (Joplin) Womble > John D 2 3/12 OK AR AR grandchild --- John Dale Joplin > > NOTE: These grandchildren in the above were the children of Ophelia Chote / > John Bluford Joplin. > > Sharon S > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > GENEALOGY WITHOUT DOCUMENTATION IS MYTHOLOGY

Terry, You're more than welcome. FYI, both places were very prompt in sending the information. Robert Barnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Jackson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [Dover] Jesse Mercer Green > Thanks for the offer Robert. I've already got this is process so I'll just > follow thru with it. Appreciate the thought. > > Terry > > Robert Barnes wrote: > > > Terry, > > > > I just received a copy of that file from Tex Tech. I'll be glad to send > > you > > a copy if you'll provide me a mailing address. You can send it to me > > privately at [email protected] > > > > I also just received the file the Tex Rangers had on him. If you like > > I'll > > send you a copy of that as well. > > > > The centerpiece of both files is Jesse's autobiographical life sketch. > > The > > Tex Rangers file contains more or less the same info the Tex Tech files > > does. I think the same person may have submitted Jesse's bio to both > > places. > > > > Robert Barnes > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Terry Jackson" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:01 PM > > Subject: [Dover] Jesse Mercer Green > > > > > There was a discussion before the holidays about a manuscript at Texas > > > Tech Unversity by Jesse Mercer Green. I emailed them and never got a > > > response so today I called them. > > > > > > I've arranged to have the entire manuscript copied. Turns out this > > > still > > > may not be all of it. A lady in Odessa, TX loaned it to them to make a > > > copy of it. We hope they copied the whole thing. > > > > > > Will keep you posted. > > > > > > Terry > > > > > > > > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > > > Dover resources at Rootsweb > > > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/d/o/DOVER/ > > > > > > > > > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > > Dover list home page > > http://pages.cthome.net/familytree/ > > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > If you need to contact the Listmanager, > please send your message to, Patricia at [email protected] > >

Thanks for the offer Robert. I've already got this is process so I'll just follow thru with it. Appreciate the thought. Terry Robert Barnes wrote: > Terry, > > I just received a copy of that file from Tex Tech. I'll be glad to send you > a copy if you'll provide me a mailing address. You can send it to me > privately at [email protected] > > I also just received the file the Tex Rangers had on him. If you like I'll > send you a copy of that as well. > > The centerpiece of both files is Jesse's autobiographical life sketch. The > Tex Rangers file contains more or less the same info the Tex Tech files > does. I think the same person may have submitted Jesse's bio to both > places. > > Robert Barnes > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Terry Jackson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:01 PM > Subject: [Dover] Jesse Mercer Green > > > There was a discussion before the holidays about a manuscript at Texas > > Tech Unversity by Jesse Mercer Green. I emailed them and never got a > > response so today I called them. > > > > I've arranged to have the entire manuscript copied. Turns out this still > > may not be all of it. A lady in Odessa, TX loaned it to them to make a > > copy of it. We hope they copied the whole thing. > > > > Will keep you posted. > > > > Terry > > > > > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > > Dover resources at Rootsweb > > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/d/o/DOVER/ > > > > > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > Dover list home page > http://pages.cthome.net/familytree/

Terry, I just received a copy of that file from Tex Tech. I'll be glad to send you a copy if you'll provide me a mailing address. You can send it to me privately at [email protected] I also just received the file the Tex Rangers had on him. If you like I'll send you a copy of that as well. The centerpiece of both files is Jesse's autobiographical life sketch. The Tex Rangers file contains more or less the same info the Tex Tech files does. I think the same person may have submitted Jesse's bio to both places. Robert Barnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Jackson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 3:01 PM Subject: [Dover] Jesse Mercer Green > There was a discussion before the holidays about a manuscript at Texas > Tech Unversity by Jesse Mercer Green. I emailed them and never got a > response so today I called them. > > I've arranged to have the entire manuscript copied. Turns out this still > may not be all of it. A lady in Odessa, TX loaned it to them to make a > copy of it. We hope they copied the whole thing. > > Will keep you posted. > > Terry > > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > Dover resources at Rootsweb > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/d/o/DOVER/ > >

Life was so much simpler with an old set of theories that could not be proved or disproved before some of the DNA results came out that threw everything to the wind. My thoughts about the Sherrod, Shaderich, Shared names. I agree that Shared is probably Shaderick/Shade of York. Shared/Shaderick was somehow connected with Hezekiah Dover because I think he is the one mentioned in the pre-1820 York court records with Hezekiah, Michael and Frederick. Sherod (not Shadrick), I think, was too young to be mentioned in that court record, but he could be a brother(?) to Shaderick, Michael and Frederick also named in the same court record with Hezekiah. Then Hezekiah, Sherod, Michael and Frederick were in Rutherford County, North Carolina by 1830 when they showed up in the census. Shaderick never left York or went far from home. Mike and Fred were in one militia district while Hezekiah and Sherod were in the White Oak Mountain/White Oak Creek. Possibly all lived close together in 1830. Sherod Dover leaves the White Oak area just after 1830 and heads for Texas about the same time another Dover was married in the White Oak area in 1830. This was the marriage of Francis Marion Dover to Mary Bailey. I've always thought that Francis Marion was a son of Hezekiah because of time and place ... that's five possible of seven 1820 sons mentioned in this message. It doesn't help much but we also know that two descended related Dover families of Francis Marion and Frederick (& Jane) have a "Ky" as an ancestor. Now everything goes sideways, at least for me. Eric Dover and I match up perfectly on the 12 marker DNA test. Eric is a descendant of Francis Marion Dover born about 1799 SC. I am a descendant of John Dover born about 1793 SC/NC. We have a common ancestor .... who/how???? It seems like from the DNA that Francis Marion and John should be brothers by age and the way some of these DNA markers are matching or not matching up. Could my John be a son of Hezekiah Dover afterall ... and John left York before the 1820 census and went straight to Pendleton or Buncombe? John's son Bailey was born in 1817. Bailey and his sons all said that he/Bailey was born in North Carolina. The only Dover's in a North Carolina census in 1820 were in Buncombe County including a John Dover (Jr). I still have to believe that my Bailey was born in Buncombe County. I just checked all of the 1820 North Carolina censuses again (line by line). No other 1820 Dover's in the familiar counties. I also suspect that Bailey's father John was born in the Pendleton District of South Carolina or was living there in the 1800 and/or 1810 census with his parents. Looks like either Francis Marion was born in Pendleton or my John was born in York. Francis Marion disconnects with Hezekiah or my John connects with Hezekiah ... or do they connect with another Dover who was kin to Francis J. Dover. Totally more baffling after all this time.

There was a discussion before the holidays about a manuscript at Texas Tech Unversity by Jesse Mercer Green. I emailed them and never got a response so today I called them. I've arranged to have the entire manuscript copied. Turns out this still may not be all of it. A lady in Odessa, TX loaned it to them to make a copy of it. We hope they copied the whole thing. Will keep you posted. Terry

A Joshua Dover married "Passy" Rice in Roane County, TN on September 7 (or 11) 1813. Roane County, Tennessee records show a marriage of a "Dice" (or Dicey) Rice to Richard Dover on July 13, 1812. James Rice was bondsman. I don't think this Joshua would be the son of Joshua Dover born early 1750's in Orange County, NC, but I assume he was a grandson? However, some Dover males have been known to procreate into their 70's. These two may be sons of John Dover, Jr. who is mentioned in the Will of Isaac Rice. Any thoughts from the List? ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 8:06 PM Subject: [Dover] Re: DOVER-D Digest V04 #6 > In a message dated 1/6/2004 8:01:24 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > In 1812-1813, a Richard Dover and Joshua Dover appear in the marriage > records of Roane County, TN. > Who did this Joshua Dover marry? > > Thanks > Pam > > ______________________________

Wow! Thanks Marjorie! This sure helps clear up some of the confusion of so many same names. This is wonderful! Marie