The Cullman Times Thursday, 11-8-1973 pg. 14A Luther H. Dover, 83, Cullman, died Wednesday at Cullman Hospital. Funeral services will be held Friday at 2 p.m. at Northside Baptist Church with interment in City Cemetery. Survivors include his widow, Mrs. Velvie Dover, three daughters, Mrs. Bobbie Jean Shikle, Mrs. Melba Ruth Collier and Mrs. Marcell Overton; two brothers, Columbus and Turner Dover; seven grandchildren; and 1 great grandchild. Dennis Dover wrote: > Shaderick Dover > Jackson Dover > John T. Dover > Luther Dover > ?? > > This is a real long shot, but there may be a 2nd great grandson of Shaderick > Dover & Jemima Dover living in the Blount County, Alabama area. Chances are > that Luther Dover in the 1930 census for Blount County may have died after > 1959. Luther may still have living sons. Luther had one brother named Hugh > E/C Dover born 1905. > > We need to find one of them. Any ideas how to do this? Social Security, > phone book, cemetery .... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Terry Jackson [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 8:48 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Dover] AL Death Records 1908-1959 > > I have access to these death certificates if any of them are needed > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > > 1930 Blount County, Alabama Census T626-4 > > Precinct No. 5, ED No. 5-6, April 22, 1930 > > Sheet 6A (46) > > J. T. Dover 72 [1858] SC SC SC > Alice [Green] 65 [1865] GA GA GA > Ethel 28 [1902] AL AL AL > LUTHER 19 [1911] AL AL AL > > 1860 Blount County, Alabama M653-2 > > Page 962 & 963 > > #186 > > Jackson Dover 31 [1829] SC > Sarah 19 [1841] SC > JOHN T. 06 [1854] SC > Thomas 02 [1858] AL > > Son of Shaderick Dover and Jemima Martin from Wolf Creek/Kings Creek, York > County, South Carolina? See 1850 York County, South Carolina census, page > 228. > > #187 > > J. F. Gilmore 36 [1824] SC > Nancy 44 [1816] NC > Joseph Bolin 15 [1850] SC > Nancy A. 14 [1846] SC > Mary 13 [1847] SC > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > Dover Genforum > http://genforum.genealogy.com/dover/

http://searchforancestors.com/utility/cousincalculator.html mmanson wrote: > Hi > > Anyone have the link to the cousin calculator? I know its out there but > can't find it. > > I would also like to welcome a new list member, Michael Parker, he is > connected to my TJ Dover line through his son Elijah Dover > > Thanks > Patricia Manson > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > Dover resources at surname web > http://www.surnameweb.org/registry/d/o/v/dover.shtml

All AOL subscribers are bouncing, I am sending this out in hopes that a few of our members that are subscribed under AOL might get this, if they are also subscribed under another address. It is most likely AOL members will bounce off the list. Please keep this in mind... If a address bounces more than 3 time, it will be automatically unsubscribe.... Not by me, but it is set up that way through Rootsweb. There is nothing I can do at this time. Patricia Manson Listmanager

Does anyone on the list have any information about the parents of Altha A Dover? It is said that she was the daughter of Jeptha Dover of Buncombe CO NC. She does not appear in the 1850 Buncombe CO census when she should have been shown as either a 10 or 12 year old daughter if she is indeed from that household. She married James S H Black "at the home of Jeptha Dover" in Gilmer CO GA. on October 28, 1858. Is there any proof that she married there because she was his daughter? Have not been able to locate her at all in 1850...where was she? Who did she belong to? Would really appreciate help in locating her and proving her parentage. Thanks, bj

Hi Anyone have the link to the cousin calculator? I know its out there but can't find it. I would also like to welcome a new list member, Michael Parker, he is connected to my TJ Dover line through his son Elijah Dover Thanks Patricia Manson

Hey Max. Yes, I do know who these are. There were a couple of questions on some of them and I now have copies of the documents, so thought I would share it with the list. I am willing to share copies of the documents with those who would like them. Just let me know. I will send them as e-mail attachments. Hope you are doing good Cuz. Love Cousin Sharon Sharon Dover Romanek Primary e-mail: [email protected] Secondary e-mail: [email protected] Researching: Romanek, Gucwa, Dover, Shrader, Tyner, Johnston, Williams, Edge, Smith, Kirksey, Demers, Murphy, Allen It's 2003... Do you know where your g-g-great grandparents are? ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [Dover] Mattie Ozment Dover, Doyce Lee Dover, Loyce B. Dover, Alfred Fra... Hi Sharon, I 'm sure that you know these individuals; Mattie was Uncle Monroe's first wife, with two of her children Alfred was my grandfather (his mother was Fidelia Wilson) and Loy Gwinn was my oldest (half) brother who died before I was even thought of and is buried in Union #2 along with his mother and our dad and ggrandfather, William Alfred. Cousin Max ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== Dover Genforum http://genforum.genealogy.com/dover/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Internet Of Salisbury, Inc.]

Hi Sharon, I 'm sure that you know these individuals; Mattie was Uncle Monroe's first wife, with two of her children Alfred was my grandfather (his mother was Fidelia Wilson) and Loy Gwinn was my oldest (half) brother who died before I was even thought of and is buried in Union #2 along with his mother and our dad and ggrandfather, William Alfred. Cousin Max

Source: Alabama Death Certificates Cherokee County, Alabama Certificate # 11-5107 Deceased: Doyce Lee Dover Father: V. Monroe Dover/born Alabama Mother: Mattie Lee Ozment/born Alabama Looks like Birth Date: 3-8-1930 Age at time of death: 10 days 2 minutes ????? Cause of death: Unknown ================ Source: Alabama Death Certificates Cherokee County, Alabama Certificate # 11-5108 Deceased: Loyce B. Dover Father: V. M. Dover/born Alabama Mother: Mattie Lee Ozment/born Alabama Looks like Birth Date: 3-8-1930 Age at time of death: 13 days????? Cause of death: Unknown ================ Source: Alabama Death Certificates Cherokee County, Alabama Certificate # 11-5109 Deceased: Mattie Lee Dover Age: 40 yrs. 8 months, 21 days ( This does not work with the birth date of July 05, 1890 that I have. That would be 39,8,22) Father: W.F. Ozment/born Al Mother Louise C Lacy Cause of Death: Looks like Nephritis???? ================ Source: Alabama Death Certificates Gaylesville, Cherokee County, Alabama Certificate # 17291 Deceased: Alfred Franklin Dover Date of Death: 9-18-1949 Male White Widowed Age 83 Farmer Born Ga. Name of Father: W.A. Dover Informant: M.R. Dover of Gaylesville, Alabama Name of Mother:------------Wilson Cause of Death: Myocardial Infarction/Generalized Arteriosclerosis ============== Source: Alabama Death Certificates Certificate # 6-2906 Place of Death: Etowah, Gadsden County, Alabama Name of Deceased: Loy Gwinn Dover Residence: 386 N. 5th Street Male White Single Date of Birth: May 22, 1922 Age: 1 yr, 9 mos. 23 days Birthplace: Gadsden, Alabama Father: L.W. Dover (Leonard Walter) Born: Jackson County, Alabama Mother: Belle Abernathy Born: Gadsden, Alabama Date of Death: 2-25-1924 Cause of Death: Diphtheria Burial: Round Mountain, Alabama 2-26-1924 Undertaker: Guy Woodliff, Gadsden, Alabama Sharon Dover Romanek Primary e-mail: [email protected] Secondary e-mail: [email protected] Researching: Romanek, Gucwa, Dover, Shrader, Tyner, Johnston, Williams, Edge, Smith, Kirksey, Demers, Murphy, Allen It's 2003... Do you know where your g-g-great grandparents are? --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Internet Of Salisbury, Inc.]

Patricia, Thanks for the site, I was able to find an exact match on 22 of 25 markers and only off by one allele on the 3 that did not match. My Allele's are quite different from anyone on the Dover site so this was exciting. However, the name of the person is Roche.....unfortunately not Dover. Does anyone have or know of any Roche / Dover cross over or any information on these two names intertwining in the past? Thanks, Wes Dover/Milton Dover/Frank Dover/Solomon Dover/Mounts Dover

This website is even better to see how common your Y markers are. http://ybase.org/statistics.asp Patricia

This website is even better to see how common your Y markers are. http://ybase.org/statistics.asp Patricia

Hello A new face Have you posted your Dover connection yet? Please do so, we'd love to fit you into the puzzle!! I have access to Ancestry & Genealogy.com and can help with census lookups to help fill in gaps. Looking forward to hearing from you. Terry [email protected] wrote: > Please change my address from [email protected] > TO: [email protected] > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > If you need to contact the Listmanager, > please send your message to, Patricia at [email protected]

Please change my address from [email protected] TO: [email protected]

The 25 marker DNA results are now posted for Wesley Dover. http://www.dovertree.com/pages/5/index.htm

This is a website worth checking out with your Y DNA markers on hand. It lets you see how common/uncommon some of your markers are. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dgarvey/DNA/RelGenMarkers.htm Patricia

Marjorie, My mtDNAPlus results of female lineages for my male Dover line should be completed in a couple of weeks. Hope it's less confusing ... For possible interest, I also took the DNAPrint test for ancestral origins. The results, which were a surprise to me, showed zero Native American. -----Original Message----- From: Marjorie Stansel [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 8:38 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Dover] New DNA Results 25 Marker I received an e-mail indicating that the following folks match with me in a one-step mutation (25 marker): Larry Joe, Paul, Jason Gordon, Derek Alan, Charles Raymond, and Maxie (Max Anthony). I match with a few others in the 12 marker but their 25 marker tests haven't yet been done or published. I think I have the same relationship to this group as Dennis does, but Dennis and I have a two-step mutation match to each other. Out of curiosity, has anyone opted for the maternal DNA test? I've thinking of doing that just for the sake of seeing what information falls out. Marjorie Dover Stansel/Solomon Thomas Dover/Solomon Jackson Dover/Frank Dover & Hannah Wade/William Dover & Alanthey Chambers--maybe Frederick & Jane--maybe Hez? ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== Dover list home page http://pages.cthome.net/familytree/

I would suggest you look at the Genealogy-DNA rootsweb list archives for one step mutations in a group. From what I can understand (I am not positive of the relationships you mention) but you may have the actual DNA line through Leon and you may be seeing a mutation with the others. What I mean is Leon may have the actual DNA for this line that you are trying to follow and there may have been a mutation in the other's line. Some groups have seen mutations between father's and son's. From my understanding they are finding that certain surname groups may mutate more often than others. I hope that helps a bit and the Genealogy-DNA archives has quite a bit of information on about any topic with DNA. Patricia ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:18 PM Subject: [Dover] DNA matches > My Leon Dover who tested for Elijah Benson Dover b 1817 SC is an exact match > in the 12 marker to Max Anthony, Charles Raymand, Francis C Jr, Derek Alan, > Jason Gordon, Larry Joe and Paul Dover. > > There is a 1 step mutation with Dennis, Marjorie's, Edward Eric, Charles > Edward and David L. Dover > > In the 25 marker Leon is a 1 step mutation to Max Anthony, Charles Raymond, > Derek Alan, Jason Gordon, Larry Joe and Paul Dover. > > There is a 2 step mutation with Dennis, Marjorie's, and David L Dover. > > I was surprised that Leon's DNA did not match all the way across with all the > others that should be in his group. Instead, he is showing 1 different > number in column 20. Does anyone understand what that might mean or even if it is > significant? Leon is in a rather unique position because of the age of Elijah > Benson Dover at the birth of Leon's father Milton N Dover. Leon is the > grandson of Elijah Benson Dover b 1817. His relationship, as far as number of > generations, is much closer to the actual person than many of the others who have > tested are to their known ancerstor. Would this account for a possible > difference in this one marker? > > Sharon S > > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > GENEALOGY WITHOUT DOCUMENTATION IS MYTHOLOGY >

My Leon Dover who tested for Elijah Benson Dover b 1817 SC is an exact match in the 12 marker to Max Anthony, Charles Raymand, Francis C Jr, Derek Alan, Jason Gordon, Larry Joe and Paul Dover. There is a 1 step mutation with Dennis, Marjorie's, Edward Eric, Charles Edward and David L. Dover In the 25 marker Leon is a 1 step mutation to Max Anthony, Charles Raymond, Derek Alan, Jason Gordon, Larry Joe and Paul Dover. There is a 2 step mutation with Dennis, Marjorie's, and David L Dover. I was surprised that Leon's DNA did not match all the way across with all the others that should be in his group. Instead, he is showing 1 different number in column 20. Does anyone understand what that might mean or even if it is significant? Leon is in a rather unique position because of the age of Elijah Benson Dover at the birth of Leon's father Milton N Dover. Leon is the grandson of Elijah Benson Dover b 1817. His relationship, as far as number of generations, is much closer to the actual person than many of the others who have tested are to their known ancerstor. Would this account for a possible difference in this one marker? Sharon S

I received an e-mail indicating that the following folks match with me in a one-step mutation (25 marker): Larry Joe, Paul, Jason Gordon, Derek Alan, Charles Raymond, and Maxie (Max Anthony). I match with a few others in the 12 marker but their 25 marker tests haven't yet been done or published. I think I have the same relationship to this group as Dennis does, but Dennis and I have a two-step mutation match to each other. Out of curiosity, has anyone opted for the maternal DNA test? I've thinking of doing that just for the sake of seeing what information falls out. Marjorie Dover Stansel/Solomon Thomas Dover/Solomon Jackson Dover/Frank Dover & Hannah Wade/William Dover & Alanthey Chambers--maybe Frederick & Jane--maybe Hez?

I have taken the Mitcohondrial DNA test, being female it's all I have and I have found the results facinating. My results are actually quite common I am an H with 3 mutations and I have quite a few matches. What I have also done is I got my great Uncle's mtDNA as he is carrying his mom's DNA - my great grandmother Bridget Melody from Galway. As far as we know none of her siblings had children. So it was the only link to her I had - she was a K with with quite a few mutations that were quite rare - as> of yet no matches. I also had another great Uncle done and he was a J* and he has a few matches. An interesting story in my husband's line is that his great great Grandmother was Asian and lived in Poland. This so far has just been a family story. So I have found a direct female from this line which may solve this riddle. Hopefully she will agree to take the test. I find it just as interesting as the Y test. I would recommend taking the HVR1 and HVR2 test as with the Y test you get more information. A great book about mtDNA is Brian Sykes - Seven Daughters of Eve - it can be ordered at Amazon.com I believe. I would say go for it!! Patricia PS Here is a website where people post their mtDNA results http://www.kerchner.com/cgi-kerchner/mtdna.cgi > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marjorie Stansel" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 9:38 AM > Subject: Re: [Dover] New DNA Results 25 Marker > > > > I received an e-mail indicating that the following folks match with me in > a > > one-step mutation (25 marker): > > Larry Joe, Paul, Jason Gordon, Derek Alan, Charles Raymond, and Maxie (Max > > Anthony). I match with a few others in the 12 marker but their 25 marker > > tests haven't yet been done or published. I think I have the same > > relationship to this group as Dennis does, but Dennis and I have a > two-step > > mutation match to each other. > > > > Out of curiosity, has anyone opted for the maternal DNA test? I've > thinking > > of doing that just for the sake of seeing what information falls out. > > > > Marjorie Dover Stansel/Solomon Thomas Dover/Solomon Jackson Dover/Frank > > Dover & Hannah Wade/William Dover & Alanthey Chambers--maybe Frederick & > > Jane--maybe Hez? > > > > > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > > Dover list home page > > http://pages.cthome.net/familytree/ > > >