Michael, Answer is that I don't know. There has been some conjecture that they are related, but the DNA results seem to disprove it, unless someone along the line was adopted. Also, while I strongly believe that I am related to James Madison Dover, I'm not SURE. Dennis might have a better comment? Jeremy michael parker wrote: >Hey Jeremy, > Is James Madison Dover any kin to Thomas Jefferson Dover? I believe they may have been born around the same time. > Thanks, > Michael A. Parker > >Angela & Jeremy Dover <[email protected]> wrote: >I ordered a death certificate from the state of California for James M. >Dover, who I believe is the brother of my great-great grandfather Henry >Powell Dover. Remember that from census records, my James M. Dover was >born in April around 1836, and appeared in the 1910 census living in >Santa Cruz. Here is the information on the death certificate: > >James Madison Dover >b. April 22, 1836, Tennessee >d. January 25, 1913, Santa Cruz >Informant: H.J. Dover (probably Henry James, his son) > >But here's the best part: >Father: Thompson Dover >Mother: Elizabeth Pebern (the last name is a bit tough to read) > >This gives some good evidence that Dennis's conjecture is correct, and >that the Thompson Dover in the 1840 census in Arkansas is the father of >the Dovers living with the Gamblins in Ripley Co., MO. I just wish I >could find a descendant of James to tie them to me through the DNA. > >Even though I seem to be of a different line, I thought it might be nice >to know. > >Jeremy > > >==== DOVER Mailing List ==== >Dover resources at Rootsweb >http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/d/o/DOVER/ > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > > >==== DOVER Mailing List ==== >Genconnect board >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=surnames.dover > > > >

David, Sorry to hear about your mother. Our thouths are with you. Follows is the Obit from the Shelby Star Tom and Deb Dover Martha Dover KINGS MOUNTAIN - Mrs. Martha Dover, 73, of 308 Fairview St., died Friday, Jan. 30, 2004, at B.J.'s Family Care Home. She was born in Cleveland County, daughter of the late Rufus M. and Geneva King Wood. She was a member of Second Baptist Church in Kings Mountain and was a homemaker. She was preceded in death by a son, Earl Dover; brothers and sisters, Hubert, Richard, Eugene, Billy Jo, Nelline, James and Joyce Wood. Survivors include daughters Susan Carney of Cary and Cindy Cody Gray of Shelby; sons David Dover of Cumberland Furnace, Tenn., and Carl Rippy of Shelby; brothers, Clinton Wood, Jack Wood, and Don Wood, all of Kings Mountain; a sister, Irene Wood Bernstein of Kings Mountain; 14 grandchildren and 16 great-grandchildren. A funeral will be held at Ollie Harris Memorial Chapel on Monday at 2 p.m. with the Revs. Buddy Williams and Wayne Fredell officiating. Interment will follow at Mountain Rest Cemetery in Kings Mountain. The family will receive friends today from 7 to 9 p.m. at Harris Funeral Home in Kings Mountain. The family requests memorials be sent to Clinton Wood, 205 Fulton St., Kings Mountain, NC 28086.

Patricia and Larry would have the best reply. Larry's DNA says no. -----Original Message----- From: Angela & Jeremy Dover [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 5:04 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Dover] Death Certificate for James Madison Dover Michael, Answer is that I don't know. There has been some conjecture that they are related, but the DNA results seem to disprove it, unless someone along the line was adopted. Also, while I strongly believe that I am related to James Madison Dover, I'm not SURE. Dennis might have a better comment? Jeremy michael parker wrote: >Hey Jeremy, > Is James Madison Dover any kin to Thomas Jefferson Dover? I believe they may have been born around the same time. > Thanks, > Michael A. Parker > >Angela & Jeremy Dover <[email protected]> wrote: >I ordered a death certificate from the state of California for James M. >Dover, who I believe is the brother of my great-great grandfather Henry >Powell Dover. Remember that from census records, my James M. Dover was >born in April around 1836, and appeared in the 1910 census living in >Santa Cruz. Here is the information on the death certificate: > >James Madison Dover >b. April 22, 1836, Tennessee >d. January 25, 1913, Santa Cruz >Informant: H.J. Dover (probably Henry James, his son) > >But here's the best part: >Father: Thompson Dover >Mother: Elizabeth Pebern (the last name is a bit tough to read) > >This gives some good evidence that Dennis's conjecture is correct, and >that the Thompson Dover in the 1840 census in Arkansas is the father of >the Dovers living with the Gamblins in Ripley Co., MO. I just wish I >could find a descendant of James to tie them to me through the DNA. > >Even though I seem to be of a different line, I thought it might be nice >to know. > >Jeremy > > >==== DOVER Mailing List ==== >Dover resources at Rootsweb >http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/d/o/DOVER/ > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > > >==== DOVER Mailing List ==== >Genconnect board >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=surnames.dover > > > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== Dover resources at Rootsweb http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/d/o/DOVER/

I am so sorry to hear of your mothers death. Trish White ( a Dover cousin) >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [Dover] Death >Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:25:32 EST > >Hello everyone on the list. I don't know who is keeping what records so I >want to let everyone know about the death of my mother. She passed on >Jan.30th,2004 at 3am. I don't have all the details of her burial, so I'll >share what I >know. According to my older sister she was to be creamated and her remains >were >to be mixed with those of my father, Jesse James Dover and re buried. The >record or obit should read, Martha Sue Wood-Dover-Rippy.She is 73 years >old. She >was mother to 5 Children, 3 Dover's 2 Rippy's. The Dover Children are as >listed >Earl Dean Dover[deceased] Susan Geneva Dover Carney, and myself,David Lee >Dover Sr. Her other Children are Cindy Rippy Gray, and Carl Lee Rippy. I >don't >know if the newspaper in Shelby or Kings Mountain, N.C. handled the obit. >If >anyone needs anything for their records please feel free to contact me. >David L. >Dover Sr. > > >==== DOVER Mailing List ==== >Dover list home page >http://pages.cthome.net/familytree/ > _________________________________________________________________ There are now three new levels of MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! Learn more. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1

Hello everyone on the list. I don't know who is keeping what records so I want to let everyone know about the death of my mother. She passed on Jan.30th,2004 at 3am. I don't have all the details of her burial, so I'll share what I know. According to my older sister she was to be creamated and her remains were to be mixed with those of my father, Jesse James Dover and re buried. The record or obit should read, Martha Sue Wood-Dover-Rippy.She is 73 years old. She was mother to 5 Children, 3 Dover's 2 Rippy's. The Dover Children are as listed Earl Dean Dover[deceased] Susan Geneva Dover Carney, and myself,David Lee Dover Sr. Her other Children are Cindy Rippy Gray, and Carl Lee Rippy. I don't know if the newspaper in Shelby or Kings Mountain, N.C. handled the obit. If anyone needs anything for their records please feel free to contact me. David L. Dover Sr.

Hi Dennis, Glad to see the results are in. What do they mean? Dave

Well Dave, it took three separate DNA tests, but it looks like we are finally official cousins. I've uploaded the 37 marker explanation of distances and have a couple of small highlights to make in the notes a little later. The 12 marker test shows a family connection at one distance. The 25 marker test makes a connection at two distances ... and the 37 marker test ups this to three distances. The flip side of the test connections is the number of generations that we have from us back to a Most Recent Common Ancestor. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 11:06 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Dover] First 37 Marker DNA Results Hi Dennis, Glad to see the results are in. What do they mean? Dave ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== Genconnect board http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=surnames.dover

Dave, I wouldn't touch that question for anything. An explanation of the 37 marker genetic distances will be posted by FTDNA in an hour or so which means those with results can go to their page and see the explanations. It'll take me longer to get the same information uploaded to the DNA results link for everyone to see. Might not be until this evening. We're in new territory on the 37 markers, so everything isn't as exact as it seems or is suggested to be. Apparently the president of FTDNA is off by one distance with his own father on the 25 marker. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 11:06 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Dover] First 37 Marker DNA Results Hi Dennis, Glad to see the results are in. What do they mean? Dave ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== Genconnect board http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=surnames.dover

The first four 37 marker DNA test results are complete. Three more are still at the lab. http://www.dovertree.com/pages/5/index.htm

I ordered a death certificate from the state of California for James M. Dover, who I believe is the brother of my great-great grandfather Henry Powell Dover. Remember that from census records, my James M. Dover was born in April around 1836, and appeared in the 1910 census living in Santa Cruz. Here is the information on the death certificate: James Madison Dover b. April 22, 1836, Tennessee d. January 25, 1913, Santa Cruz Informant: H.J. Dover (probably Henry James, his son) But here's the best part: Father: Thompson Dover Mother: Elizabeth Pebern (the last name is a bit tough to read) This gives some good evidence that Dennis's conjecture is correct, and that the Thompson Dover in the 1840 census in Arkansas is the father of the Dovers living with the Gamblins in Ripley Co., MO. I just wish I could find a descendant of James to tie them to me through the DNA. Even though I seem to be of a different line, I thought it might be nice to know. Jeremy

Hey Jeremy, Is James Madison Dover any kin to Thomas Jefferson Dover? I believe they may have been born around the same time. Thanks, Michael A. Parker Angela & Jeremy Dover <[email protected]> wrote: I ordered a death certificate from the state of California for James M. Dover, who I believe is the brother of my great-great grandfather Henry Powell Dover. Remember that from census records, my James M. Dover was born in April around 1836, and appeared in the 1910 census living in Santa Cruz. Here is the information on the death certificate: James Madison Dover b. April 22, 1836, Tennessee d. January 25, 1913, Santa Cruz Informant: H.J. Dover (probably Henry James, his son) But here's the best part: Father: Thompson Dover Mother: Elizabeth Pebern (the last name is a bit tough to read) This gives some good evidence that Dennis's conjecture is correct, and that the Thompson Dover in the 1840 census in Arkansas is the father of the Dovers living with the Gamblins in Ripley Co., MO. I just wish I could find a descendant of James to tie them to me through the DNA. Even though I seem to be of a different line, I thought it might be nice to know. Jeremy ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== Dover resources at Rootsweb http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/d/o/DOVER/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it!

Marion County, TN is also the most likely location. -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Dover [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 5:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [Dover] Death Certificate for James Madison Dover Great news Jeremy. It also helps your indirect cousins and creates some other clues. Roane County, Tennessee is a probable location for Thompson since several of his 1840 census neighbors already connected were from Roane County. I'll send you an e-mail address for someone if I haven't done so already. Dover connects back up the way in these lines; and I believe an older Dover widow was possibly a Martha Webb. Webb and Pyburn are the key lines and I think you'll run into other clues at Sweeton's Cove church records. Thanks for sharing. Dennis

Great news Jeremy. It also helps your indirect cousins and creates some other clues. Roane County, Tennessee is a probable location for Thompson since several of his 1840 census neighbors already connected were from Roane County. I'll send you an e-mail address for someone if I haven't done so already. Dover connects back up the way in these lines; and I believe an older Dover widow was possibly a Martha Webb. Webb and Pyburn are the key lines and I think you'll run into other clues at Sweeton's Cove church records. Thanks for sharing. Dennis -----Original Message----- From: Angela & Jeremy Dover [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 5:05 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Dover] Death Certificate for James Madison Dover I ordered a death certificate from the state of California for James M. Dover, who I believe is the brother of my great-great grandfather Henry Powell Dover. Remember that from census records, my James M. Dover was born in April around 1836, and appeared in the 1910 census living in Santa Cruz. Here is the information on the death certificate: James Madison Dover b. April 22, 1836, Tennessee d. January 25, 1913, Santa Cruz Informant: H.J. Dover (probably Henry James, his son) But here's the best part: Father: Thompson Dover Mother: Elizabeth Pebern (the last name is a bit tough to read) This gives some good evidence that Dennis's conjecture is correct, and that the Thompson Dover in the 1840 census in Arkansas is the father of the Dovers living with the Gamblins in Ripley Co., MO. I just wish I could find a descendant of James to tie them to me through the DNA. Even though I seem to be of a different line, I thought it might be nice to know. Jeremy ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== Dover resources at Rootsweb http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/d/o/DOVER/

http://www.chapmanfamilies.org/bio_joseph.html For those of you interested in the Revolutionary War service of Francis J. Dover, you might be interested in reading this history of another soldier with parallels in his travels similar to those of Francis J. Dover. I came across this while searching for information about the various commanders mentioned in Francis' Rev. War application. This one mentioned Colonel Paisley. Marjorie Dover Stansel

Ran Across the following 1860 Census Ira Dover 43 1816 Tennessee Salt Creek, Monroe, Indiana Male Emily Dover 38 1821 Kentucky Salt Creek, Monroe, Indiana Female Martha Dover 62 1797 Tennessee Salt Creek, Monroe, Indiana Female

I found the following while looking for my William Alfred Dover in the 1880 census. It may be nothing or it MAY be. I am not sure. I looked through the archives but could not find it posted since 2002, which is as far back as I went. I would not be as suspicious if these two families did not live four doors away from each other. Any of you who live in the south especially and have the last name of Dover know often times people do not understand your last name or misconstrue it into something else. I wonder if that was the case here?? Source: 1880 Census Name RelationMarital StatusGenderRaceAgeBirthplaceOccupationFather's BirthplaceMother's Birthplace Jasper N. DEFER Self M Male W 20 GA Farmer GA TN Lucinda DEFER Wife M Female W 23 GA Keeping House NC GA John DEFER Son S Male W 1 GA GA GA Source Information: Census PlaceMountain Town, Gilmer, Georgia Family History Library Film 1254148 NA Film Number T9-0148 Page Number 543B =============== Household: Name RelationMarital StatusGenderRaceAgeBirthplaceOccupationFather's BirthplaceMother's Birthplace John M. DOVER Self M Male W 23 GA Laborer NC NC Esther S. DOVER Wife M Female W 24 GA Keeping House NC NC Arminda C. DOVER Dau S Female W 4 GA At Home GA GA Jeams K. DOVER Son S Male W 1 GA At Home GA GA Source Information: Census PlaceMountain Town, Gilmer, Georgia Family History Library Film 1254148 NA Film Number T9-0148 Page Number 543B Sharon Dover Romanek e-mail: PRIMARY [email protected] [email protected] Researching: Romanek, Gucwa, Dover,Shrader, Tyner, Johnston, Williams, Edge, Smith, Kirksey, DeMers, Murphy, Allen It's 2003 ... Do you know where your G-G-Grandparents are? --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Internet Of Salisbury, Inc.]

Hi I sent every AOL member on our list a e-mail the other day, if you did not get it. Aol had blocked all of Rootsweb mail, for a few days. It looks to be fixed at this time. If you want to check the archives, use this link http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ It will get you to the archives for every list, you may want to check Patricia

I am not sure if I have posted the following to the list before or not so thought I would do so. Hope it helps someone on the list. I would like to share with anyone on the list who is connected to this family. What we REALLY need is to know where Alfred's family was in 1880. He had not married yet and had several brothers and sisters still at home. His father was William Alfred Dover. So far we cannot located him in the 1880 census. I think they were hiding :-) Living next to Daniel Shrader who was Missouri's father, and next to Daniel was his daughter Amanda married to David Garren. The Shraders and the Dovers are intertwined a lot in this area. Source: 1900 Jackson County, Alabama Census 11th Precinct Supervisors District No. 8 Enumeration District No 29 Sheet 9B Lines 94-99 House 165 Family 165 Missouri states she was the mother of 6 with 4 living Alfred, Missouri, & Vernon all speak, read and write English Farm # 153 Name Rel Race Sex MOB YOB Age Mar St Yrs. Md POB FPOB MPOB Occ Dover, Alphord Head W M Nov 1866 34 Md 14 GA GA GA Farmer Misourie A. Wife W F May 1866 34 Md 14 AL TN AL Vernon M Son W M Oct 1888 11 S AL GA AL Farm Laborer Miles R Son W M Jan 1892 8 S AL GA AL Florience O Dau W F Sep 1894 5 S AL GA AL Leonord W Son W M Jan 1897 3 S AL GA AL ================= Source: 1920 Census Cherokee County, Alabama Sandrock Township Ancestry Image 15 Enumeration Date: January 17, 1920 Enumeration District 30 Sheet 8A Blue Pond & North? Zion Road Lines 43-46 House 145 Family 148 Dover, A. Franklin H M W 53 Md. GA GA GA Farmer Farm # 148 Can read & write Missouri A. Wife F W 53 Md. AL TN AL " ? Bertha Dau F W 16 S AL GA AL Can read & write Wyatt Son M W 11 S AL GA AL In school/ Can read & write ============== Sharon Dover Romanek e-mail: PRIMARY [email protected] [email protected] Researching: Romanek, Gucwa, Dover,Shrader, Tyner, Johnston, Williams, Edge, Smith, Kirksey, DeMers, Murphy, Allen It's 2003 ... Do you know where your G-G-Grandparents are? --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Internet Of Salisbury, Inc.]

Sharon, Lucinda, wife of Jasper, was Lucinda Dover daughter of Dillingham & Elizabeth Helton Dover of Gilmer County, Georgia. Dillingham and Elizabeth were married in Murray County, GA. Dillingham Dover was the son of Frederick & Margaret Dover of Buncombe County, NC and later Gilmer County, GA. John M. Dover should be the son of James Bailey & Jane Maria James Dover son of Frederick & Margaret Dover. John's wife Esther was a CARROLL. Anyone know more about the CARROLL families? -----Original Message----- From: sromanek [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:45 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Dover] Jasper Defer-John M. Dover 1880 Census Mountian Town, Gilmer Co. Ga. I found the following while looking for my William Alfred Dover in the 1880 census. It may be nothing or it MAY be. I am not sure. I looked through the archives but could not find it posted since 2002, which is as far back as I went. I would not be as suspicious if these two families did not live four doors away from each other. Any of you who live in the south especially and have the last name of Dover know often times people do not understand your last name or misconstrue it into something else. I wonder if that was the case here?? Source: 1880 Census Name RelationMarital StatusGenderRaceAgeBirthplaceOccupationFather's BirthplaceMother's Birthplace Jasper N. DEFER Self M Male W 20 GA Farmer GA TN Lucinda DEFER Wife M Female W 23 GA Keeping House NC GA John DEFER Son S Male W 1 GA GA GA Source Information: Census PlaceMountain Town, Gilmer, Georgia Family History Library Film 1254148 NA Film Number T9-0148 Page Number 543B =============== Household: Name RelationMarital StatusGenderRaceAgeBirthplaceOccupationFather's BirthplaceMother's Birthplace John M. DOVER Self M Male W 23 GA Laborer NC NC Esther S. DOVER Wife M Female W 24 GA Keeping House NC NC Arminda C. DOVER Dau S Female W 4 GA At Home GA GA Jeams K. DOVER Son S Male W 1 GA At Home GA GA Source Information: Census PlaceMountain Town, Gilmer, Georgia Family History Library Film 1254148 NA Film Number T9-0148 Page Number 543B Sharon Dover Romanek e-mail: PRIMARY [email protected] [email protected] Researching: Romanek, Gucwa, Dover,Shrader, Tyner, Johnston, Williams, Edge, Smith, Kirksey, DeMers, Murphy, Allen It's 2003 ... Do you know where your G-G-Grandparents are? --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Internet Of Salisbury, Inc.] ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== If you need to contact the Listmanager, please send your message to, Patricia at [email protected]

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