Just in case no one knows Freeman is a really prevalent name in the Jackson, DeKalb County areas of Alabama. Sharon Dover Romanek Primary e-mail: [email protected] Secondary e-mail: [email protected] Researching: Romanek, Gucwa, Dover, Shrader, Tyner, Johnston, Williams, Edge, Smith, Kirksey, Demers, Murphy, Allen It's 2003... Do you know where your g-g-great grandparents are? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Jackson To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 12:40 AM Subject: [Dover] Zula Mae Freeman Dover The Cullman Tribune 1-11-2001 Zula Mae Freeman Dover Mrs. Zula Mae Freeman Dover, age 87 of Cullman; died on Monday, January 8, 2001 at Cullman Regional Medical Center. She was born on June 3, 1913. Mrs. Dover was predeceased by her parents, Joseph and Rosa Rice Freeman. Funeral services were held on January 10, 2001 at Moss Service Funeral Home Chapel with interment in Corinth Cemetery. Survivors include: three sons, James E. and wife, Inez Dover, Richard D. and wife, Vivian Dover and Henry H. and wife, Barbara Dover; six daughters, Susie Grayson, Ruby Lambert, Dorothy and husband, Olen Fennell, Wilma and husband, Tommy Cooley. Rosa Nell Drawhorn, and Jeanette and husband, Lee Williams; twenty-nine grandchildren and thirty-one great-grandchildren. ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== If you need to contact the Listmanager, please send your message to, Patricia at [email protected] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Internet Of Salisbury, Inc.]

Do we know for sure who Hilliard's father and mother are? I am trying to put together some of the WWI records with the census I have posted and get them in the right family files. I see the part where Visa is his mother but who was she married to, and who was his father? Is this one of our areas where we need more info to go on? Also, are Visa, Vicy and Dicie the same person? Thanks, Sharon Dover Romanek Primary e-mail: [email protected] Secondary e-mail: [email protected] Researching: Romanek, Gucwa, Dover, Shrader, Tyner, Johnston, Williams, Edge, Smith, Kirksey, Demers, Murphy, Allen It's 2003... Do you know where your g-g-great grandparents are? --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Internet Of Salisbury, Inc.]

There are two Dover families on this page, so I will do them both. I would say they are brothers as well from Marjorie's post on the WWI draft. Source: 1920 Census Blount County, Alabama Cleveland Precinct 12 Enumeration District: 13 Enumeration Date: April 8, 1920 Sheet # 4B Printed Page # N/A House: 75 Family: 79 Name Rel Sex Race Age Marital Stat POB FPOB MPOB Occupation Dover, Perry Head M W 40 S AL GA AL Farmer W. Bain Bro M W 36 S AL GA AL Farmer Lessie Sis F W 29 S AL GA AL Farm Laborer Carey Sis F W 24 S AL GA AL Farm Laborer Vicy Mother F W 65 Wd. AL AL AL ========== Source: 1920 Census Blount County, Alabama Cleveland Precinct 12 Enumeration District: 13 Enumeration Date: April 8, 1920 Sheet # 4B Printed Page # N/A House: 77 Family: 81 Name Rel Sex Race Age Marital Stat POB FPOB MPOB Occupation Dover, Leon Head M W 33/35? Md. AL GA AL Farmer Agnes Wife F W 22 Md. AL GA GA Farm Laborer Edgar Son M W 5 8/12 S AL AL AL Living among Davidson, Walker and Bailey families. Sharon Dover Romanek Primary e-mail: [email protected] Secondary e-mail: [email protected] Researching: Romanek, Gucwa, Dover, Shrader, Tyner, Johnston, Williams, Edge, Smith, Kirksey, Demers, Murphy, Allen It's 2003... Do you know where your g-g-great grandparents are? --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Internet Of Salisbury, Inc.]

Thanks Terry. You must have known what I was doing. I am almost to the end of the list and confused, but that is my normal state of mind. This has been an all day treasure hunt. At least I know who goes with who now. Sharon Dover Romanek Primary e-mail: [email protected] Secondary e-mail: [email protected] Researching: Romanek, Gucwa, Dover, Shrader, Tyner, Johnston, Williams, Edge, Smith, Kirksey, Demers, Murphy, Allen It's 2003... Do you know where your g-g-great grandparents are? ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Jackson To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 7:11 PM Subject: [Dover] Blount Co., AL WWI Draft Regs. Dover, Bain; born 5 Sep 1893 at Cleveland; lived at Cleveland; farmer; white; single; dependent mother and sister (Hillard's brother) Dover, Christopher Columbus; born 15 Jan 1889 at Blountsville; lived at Blountsville; farmer; white; married with one child (John T. Dover son) Dover, Commilee Turner; born 11 Jun 1897 at Blountsville; lived at Blountsville; employ by John Dover; nearest relative: John Dover Dover, Euel Lee; born 1 Nov 1885; lived at Cleveland; clerk for Blount County Bargain Store; white; nearest relative: Lillian Dover (Hilliard's cousin) Dover, Harrison; born 13 Jan 1879; lived at Altoona; farmer; white; nearest relative: Mrs. Harrison Dover (wife) (Harmon's son) Dover, Hilliard Agery; born 26 Jan 1890 at Cleveland; lived at Oneonta; farmer; white; married with three children (Dicie's son -- R.S. Dover / Visa Blackwood?) Dover, Hughey; born 1 Nov 1895 at Oneonta; lived at Altoona; farmer for W.J. Ellison; white; single (Madison Jr.'s son) Dover, Leon; born 27 May 1896 at Cleveland; lived at Cleveland; farmer; white; single; dependent mother and sister; complained of flat feet (Hillard's brother) Dover, Luther; born 31 Jan 1898; lived at Oneonta; work in cotton mill for Dwight Manufacturing Company at Alabama City; white; nearest relative: M.M. Dover (Madison, Jr. son) Dover, Perry; born 4 Aug 1888 at Cleveland; lived at Cleveland; farmer; white; single; dependent mother and sister (Hillard's brother) Dover, William Isaac; born 9 Nov 1872; lived at Altoona; farmer for W.J. Ellison; white; nearest relative: Mrs. Nancy Dover [William Isaac Dover married Nannie J. Simmons 14 Feb 1897, Blount County] (Harmon Dover's son) Dover, William; born 1 Jul 1893 at Steele, Alabama; lived at Altoona; farmer for Bill Coats; white; single; complained of left eye out ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== Dover archives http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Internet Of Salisbury, Inc.]

This Robert was my G Uncle. His Parents were John and Naomi Dover, After Naomi died John moved to Cocke County to be closer to his son Robert and his brother Gus, in 1911 he married the Mary L. shown in the 1920 TN Cocke County census. Our family records show that Roberts wives were sisters and Robert maried Mary after Thula's death. I hope this helps. Tim > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sromanek [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 11:07 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [Dover] 1920 Cocke County, TN Census, Robert Dover > > > > One Robert Dover was supposed to have been married to two HOLT sisters, > > Thula and Mary E. Holt. This has one of those census years (1920) that has > > neighbors that can go back a long way. Maybe Tim Dover on our list can > > verify a connection between the 1880 and 1920 census. > > > > 1880 McDowell County, North Carolina Census T9-0970 > > > > Marion, McDowell County, North Carolina > > > > Page 384C > > > > John Dover Self M M W 31 NC NC NC Farm Laborer > > Naoma C. Wife F M W 34 NC NC NC Keeping House > > Sallie E. Dau F S W 10 NC NC NC At Home > > Katie M. Dau F S W 09 NC NC NC At Home > > Robert A. Son M S W 06 NC NC NC At Home > > Thomas B. Son M S W 03 NC NC NC At Home > > John S. Son M S W 01 NC NC NC At Home > > John Irvin Csn M S W 26 NC NC NC Farm Laborer > > > > Civil District No. 5, ED No. 162, June 14, 1900 > > > > Sheet 8B > > > > #148/150 > > > > Robert Dover Head M W May 1875 25 M4 NC NC NC Farm laborer > > Thula [Holt?] Wife F W Apr 1870 30 M4 2 1 TN TN TN > > Etter Dau F W May 1899 01 S TN NC TN > > Cora Nolin Lod F W May 1895 05 S TN TN TN > > > > 1910 Cocke County, Tennessee Census > > > > 4th Civil District (part of), ED No. 42, April 17 & 20, 1910 > > > > Sheet 4B > > > > #76 > > > > Robert E. Dover Head M W 33 [1877] M 1 NC NC NC Farmer > > Mary Wife F W 35 [1875] M 1 4 3 TN TN TN > > Virgie Dau F W 11 [1899] S TN NC TN > > Annie? Dau F W 09 [1901] S TN NC TN > > Arthur Son M W 06 [1904] S TN NC TN > > Bennett Son M W 02 [1908] S TN NC TN > > Willie? Dau F W 02 [1908] S TN NC TN > > > > 1920 Cocke County, Tennessee Census T625-1733 > > > > District No. 3 (Part of), ED 42, January 3, 1920 > > > > Page 2A > > > > #23/23 > > > > Edward Holt Head M W 69 [1851] W TN TN TN > > Andrew Son M W 35 [1885] S TN TN TN > > > > #24/24 > > > > John Dover? Head M W 70 [1850] M NC NC NC > > Mary L. Wife F W 57 [1863] M TN TN TN > > > > #25/25 > > > > John S. Padgett Head M W 50 [1870] M NC NC NC > > ???? B. Wife F W 45 [1875] M TN TN TN > > Luton? Son M W 21 [1899] S TN NC TN > > Beatrace Dau F W 17 [1903] S TN NC TN > > Joseph Son M W 17 [1903] S TN NC TN > > Lou?ile Dau F W 14 [1906] S TN NC TN > > Jessie Dau F W 10 [1910] S TN NC TN > > Essie Dau F W 10 [1910] S TN NCTN > > > > 4th Civil District (Part of), ED No. 44, 2nd & 3rd January, 1920 > > > > Page 1A & 1B > > > > #11/11 > > > > Robert Dover Head M W 49 [1871] M NC NC NC Farm Laborer > > Mary E. [Holt] Wife F W 39 [1881] M TN TN TN > > Vergie Dau F W 20 [1900] S TN NC TN > > Ira Dau F W 17 [1903] S TN NC TN > > Bennet Son M W 13 [1907] S TN NC TN > > Willie Son M W 13 [1907] S TN NC TN > > Kate Dau F W 11 [1909] S TN NC TN > > Majorie Dau F W 09 [1911] S TN NC TN > > Barela? Dau F W 06 [1914] S TN NC TN > > Zella Dau F W 04 [1916] S TN NC TN 4-6/12 > > Burnett Son M W 01 [1919] S TN NC TN 6/12 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > > If you need to contact the Listmanager, > > please send your message to, Patricia at [email protected] > > > > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > If you need to contact the Listmanager, > please send your message to, Patricia at [email protected]

This is either an house with two families living in it or something. Luther and family is in the house with the Finch/Linch M. Dale. Anyone know who Luther is the son of? The only one I find in 1880 is the son of a John and Elizabeth Dover and is two months old. The one below would be about 9 by 1880. I will include that record too. I really think the name is Finch by the way. The L in Luther does look different than the first initial of the head of the house's first name. I suspect if you look at the birth locations of the Dales and their children, and then Luther's wife that this may be Molly's family they are living with. Source: 1920 Census Dawson County, Georgia Dawsonville District Enumeration District: 39 Enumeration Date:February 23, 1920 Sheet # 4B Printed Page # N/A Image 7 House: 30 Family: 30 Name Rel Sex Race Age Marital Stat POB FPOB MPOB Occupation Dale, Finch M. Head M W 61 Md. NC NC NC Farming Sarah J. Wife F W 60 Md. GA GA SC Emiley M. Dau F W 40 S GA NC GA Finch M. Son M W 17 S GA NC GA Farm Laborer Dover, Luther Head M W 49 Md. GA GA GA Farming Molly Wife F W 36 Md. GA NC GA Lula Dau F W 18 S GA GA GA Lila? Dau F W 14 S GA GA GA Nora Dau F W 12 S GA GA GA Jay? C. Son M W 6 S GA GA GA Grace Dau F W 5 S GA GA GA Living next to Medlin & Tiner. ========== Source: 1880 Census Name RelationMarital StatusGenderRaceAgeBirthplaceOccupationFather's BirthplaceMother's Birthplace John DOVER Self M Male W 24 GA Farmer GA NC Elizabeth J. DOVER Wife M Female W 27 SC Keeping House MA SC Luther DOVER Son S Male W 2M GA GA SC Source Information: Census PlaceChestatee, Forsyth, Georgia Family History Library Film 1254147 NA Film Number T9-0147 Page Number 447C Sharon Dover Romanek Primary e-mail: [email protected] Secondary e-mail: [email protected] Researching: Romanek, Gucwa, Dover, Shrader, Tyner, Johnston, Williams, Edge, Smith, Kirksey, Demers, Murphy, Allen It's 2003... Do you know where your g-g-great grandparents are? --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Internet Of Salisbury, Inc.]

Wonder which family this was? ID: I30 Name: Uriha Albertus Tidwell Given Name: Uriha Albertus Surname: Tidwell Sex: M Birth: 9 MAR 1880 in Blount Co, AL Death: 13 JUL 1949 in Atlanta, GA Burial: 14 JUL 1949 Westview, Atlanta GA Change Date: 18 FEB 2000 at 18:26:35 Marriage 1 Laudy Jane DOVER b: 20 OCT 1878 in Blount Co, AL Married: 27 MAY 1897 Children Lillian Irene Tidwell b: 27 MAR 1898 Margeret Jane Tidwell b: 6 MAR 1900 in Blount Co, AL Ruby L Tidwell b: 1 JAN 1902 in Blount Co, AL Lilla Mae Tidwell b: 16 JUN 1904 in Blount Co, AL Alton Parker Tidwell b: 22 NOV 1907 in Blount Co, AL Nellie Grace Tidwell b: 6 DEC 1909 in Blount Co, AL Living Tidwell Ureih Albert Tidwell b: 1 AUG 1916 in Blount Co, AL

Dover, Bain; born 5 Sep 1893 at Cleveland; lived at Cleveland; farmer; white; single; dependent mother and sister (Hillard's brother) Dover, Christopher Columbus; born 15 Jan 1889 at Blountsville; lived at Blountsville; farmer; white; married with one child (John T. Dover son) Dover, Commilee Turner; born 11 Jun 1897 at Blountsville; lived at Blountsville; employ by John Dover; nearest relative: John Dover Dover, Euel Lee; born 1 Nov 1885; lived at Cleveland; clerk for Blount County Bargain Store; white; nearest relative: Lillian Dover (Hilliard's cousin) Dover, Harrison; born 13 Jan 1879; lived at Altoona; farmer; white; nearest relative: Mrs. Harrison Dover (wife) (Harmon's son) Dover, Hilliard Agery; born 26 Jan 1890 at Cleveland; lived at Oneonta; farmer; white; married with three children (Dicie's son -- R.S. Dover / Visa Blackwood?) Dover, Hughey; born 1 Nov 1895 at Oneonta; lived at Altoona; farmer for W.J. Ellison; white; single (Madison Jr.'s son) Dover, Leon; born 27 May 1896 at Cleveland; lived at Cleveland; farmer; white; single; dependent mother and sister; complained of flat feet (Hillard's brother) Dover, Luther; born 31 Jan 1898; lived at Oneonta; work in cotton mill for Dwight Manufacturing Company at Alabama City; white; nearest relative: M.M. Dover (Madison, Jr. son) Dover, Perry; born 4 Aug 1888 at Cleveland; lived at Cleveland; farmer; white; single; dependent mother and sister (Hillard's brother) Dover, William Isaac; born 9 Nov 1872; lived at Altoona; farmer for W.J. Ellison; white; nearest relative: Mrs. Nancy Dover [William Isaac Dover married Nannie J. Simmons 14 Feb 1897, Blount County] (Harmon Dover's son) Dover, William; born 1 Jul 1893 at Steele, Alabama; lived at Altoona; farmer for Bill Coats; white; single; complained of left eye out

I'm showing Vicie Blackwood married to RS/Sherman/Richard S who was the son of Burton & Nancy Ann Page Dover. -----Original Message----- From: sromanek [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 5:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Dover] Hilliard Dover Do we know for sure who Hilliard's father and mother are? I am trying to put together some of the WWI records with the census I have posted and get them in the right family files. I see the part where Visa is his mother but who was she married to, and who was his father? Is this one of our areas where we need more info to go on? Also, are Visa, Vicy and Dicie the same person? Thanks, Sharon Dover Romanek Primary e-mail: [email protected] Secondary e-mail: [email protected] Researching: Romanek, Gucwa, Dover, Shrader, Tyner, Johnston, Williams, Edge, Smith, Kirksey, Demers, Murphy, Allen It's 2003... Do you know where your g-g-great grandparents are? --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Internet Of Salisbury, Inc.] ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== Dover list home page http://pages.cthome.net/familytree/

Source: 1920 Census Blount County, Alabama Oneonta Precinct # 36 Enumeration District: 162 Enumeration Date: January 27 & 28 1920 Sheet # 10B Printed Page # N/A House: 198 Family: 204 Image 20 Name Rel Sex Race Age Marital Stat POB FPOB MPOB Occupation Dover, Hilliard A Head M W 29 Md. AL GA AL Salesman-Retail Groceries Nannie P. Wife F W 27 Md. AL AL AL Martha M. Dau F W 6 S AL AL AL Nellie L. Dau F W 5 S AL AL AL Hilliard H. Son M W 4 ?/12 S AL AL AL Cecil L./T.? Son M W 1 ?/12 S AL AL AL Living next to Bynums on one side and cant read the name on the other side. It starts with B. and is possibly Brown. Who is Hilliard's father and mother? Sharon Dover Romanek Primary e-mail: [email protected] Secondary e-mail: [email protected] Researching: Romanek, Gucwa, Dover, Shrader, Tyner, Johnston, Williams, Edge, Smith, Kirksey, Demers, Murphy, Allen It's 2003... Do you know where your g-g-great grandparents are? --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Internet Of Salisbury, Inc.]

Almost missed this one. Was going to the next page when something caught my eye and went back. No way anybody could have indexed this as John Dover because of the handwriting. John Dover's stepmother may have been a PADGETT (Margaret married to William Dover?). 1910 Cocke County, Tennessee Census T624-1494 3rd Civil District (Part of), ED No. 41, May 4, 1910 Sheet 13A (Ancestry Image 25) #5/7 James A. Padgett Head M W 68 [1842] M1 42 NC NC NC Farmer Nancy J. Wife F W 65 [1845] M1 42 7 6 NC NC NC Hobert? M. GS M W 13 [1897] S TN NC NC John Dover Svt M W 60 [1850] W NC NC NC Odd jobs #7/9 John S. Padgett Head M W 41 [1869] M1 14 TN NC NC None Beth? Wife F W 36 [1874] M1 14 TN TN TN Etha? E. Dau F W 13 [1897] S TN TN TN Martin? L Son M W 11 [1899] S TN TN TN ????? B. Dau F W 09 [1901] S TN TN TN Joseph M. Son M W 07 [1903] S TN TN TN Lou E. Dau F W 05 [1905] S TN TN TN James? S. Son M W 6m [1909] S TN TN TN Essie B. Dau F W 6m [1909] S TN TN TN John S. Padgett was the census enumerator. There are four HOLT families on this census page. -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Dover [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 12:20 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [Dover] 1920 Cocke County, TN Census, Robert Dover -----Original Message----- From: sromanek [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 11:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Dover] 1920 Cocke County, TN Census, Robert Dover One Robert Dover was supposed to have been married to two HOLT sisters, Thula and Mary E. Holt. This has one of those census years (1920) that has neighbors that can go back a long way. Maybe Tim Dover on our list can verify a connection between the 1880 and 1920 census. 1880 McDowell County, North Carolina Census T9-0970 Marion, McDowell County, North Carolina Page 384C John Dover Self M M W 31 NC NC NC Farm Laborer Naoma C. Wife F M W 34 NC NC NC Keeping House Sallie E. Dau F S W 10 NC NC NC At Home Katie M. Dau F S W 09 NC NC NC At Home Robert A. Son M S W 06 NC NC NC At Home Thomas B. Son M S W 03 NC NC NC At Home John S. Son M S W 01 NC NC NC At Home John Irvin Csn M S W 26 NC NC NC Farm Laborer Civil District No. 5, ED No. 162, June 14, 1900 Sheet 8B #148/150 Robert Dover Head M W May 1875 25 M4 NC NC NC Farm laborer Thula [Holt?] Wife F W Apr 1870 30 M4 2 1 TN TN TN Etter Dau F W May 1899 01 S TN NC TN Cora Nolin Lod F W May 1895 05 S TN TN TN 1910 Cocke County, Tennessee Census 4th Civil District (part of), ED No. 42, April 17 & 20, 1910 Sheet 4B #76 Robert E. Dover Head M W 33 [1877] M 1 NC NC NC Farmer Mary Wife F W 35 [1875] M 1 4 3 TN TN TN Virgie Dau F W 11 [1899] S TN NC TN Annie? Dau F W 09 [1901] S TN NC TN Arthur Son M W 06 [1904] S TN NC TN Bennett Son M W 02 [1908] S TN NC TN Willie? Dau F W 02 [1908] S TN NC TN 1920 Cocke County, Tennessee Census T625-1733 District No. 3 (Part of), ED 42, January 3, 1920 Page 2A #23/23 Edward Holt Head M W 69 [1851] W TN TN TN Andrew Son M W 35 [1885] S TN TN TN #24/24 John Dover? Head M W 70 [1850] M NC NC NC Mary L. Wife F W 57 [1863] M TN TN TN #25/25 John S. Padgett Head M W 50 [1870] M NC NC NC ???? B. Wife F W 45 [1875] M TN TN TN Luton? Son M W 21 [1899] S TN NC TN Beatrace Dau F W 17 [1903] S TN NC TN Joseph Son M W 17 [1903] S TN NC TN Lou?ile Dau F W 14 [1906] S TN NC TN Jessie Dau F W 10 [1910] S TN NC TN Essie Dau F W 10 [1910] S TN NCTN 4th Civil District (Part of), ED No. 44, 2nd & 3rd January, 1920 Page 1A & 1B #11/11 Robert Dover Head M W 49 [1871] M NC NC NC Farm Laborer Mary E. [Holt] Wife F W 39 [1881] M TN TN TN Vergie Dau F W 20 [1900] S TN NC TN Ira Dau F W 17 [1903] S TN NC TN Bennet Son M W 13 [1907] S TN NC TN Willie Son M W 13 [1907] S TN NC TN Kate Dau F W 11 [1909] S TN NC TN Majorie Dau F W 09 [1911] S TN NC TN Barela? Dau F W 06 [1914] S TN NC TN Zella Dau F W 04 [1916] S TN NC TN 4-6/12 Burnett Son M W 01 [1919] S TN NC TN 6/12 ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== If you need to contact the Listmanager, please send your message to, Patricia at [email protected]

I am wondering if the below Harrison Dover in Marjorie's information is who I have as Harris Dover born ca. 1879, son of Harmon Dover & wife Ruth Hall, also of Alabama. What I show for him from one of Terry's previous posts is: 1880 Cherokee Co., GA 6-19-1880, Salacon Dist. Harmon Dover, 27, GA SC GA Ruthy, 27, IL IL IL Saphronia, 10, MO GA GA William, 4, GA GA GA Harris, 1, AL GA GA In the WWI draft cards database this one who I THINK is the same Marjorie posted is referred to as General Harrison Dover. The dates from Marjorie's post do not match what shows on this draft card so may be a total other Harrison. This one claims a wife and two children as dependants, is married, was born 11-15-1886? Molton, Alabama, and shows a residence of Rt. 5, Ellis, Texas. OH! this one is making my head spin! Sharon Dover Romanek Primary e-mail: [email protected] Secondary e-mail: [email protected] Researching: Romanek, Gucwa, Dover, Shrader, Tyner, Johnston, Williams, Edge, Smith, Kirksey, Demers, Murphy, Allen It's 2003... Do you know where your g-g-great grandparents are? ----- Original Message ----- From: Marjorie Stansel To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 11:00 AM Subject: [Dover] Blount County, AL World War I Draft Registrations These Dovers are listed on the Blount County, AL website: Dover, Bain; born 5 Sep 1893 at Cleveland; lived at Cleveland; farmer; white; single; dependent mother and sister Dover, Christopher Columbus; born 15 Jan 1889 at Blountsville; lived at Blountsville; farmer; white; married with one child Dover, Commilee Turner; born 11 Jun 1897 at Blountsville; lived at Blountsville; employ by John Dover; nearest relative: John Dover Dover, Euel Lee; born 1 Nov 1885; lived at Cleveland; clerk for Blount County Bargain Store; white; nearest relative: Lillian Dover Dover, Harrison; born 13 Jan 1879; lived at Altoona; farmer; white; nearest relative: Mrs. Harrison Dover (wife) Dover, Hilliard Agery; born 26 Jan 1890 at Cleveland; lived at Oneonta; farmer; white; married with three children Dover, Hughey; born 1 Nov 1895 at Oneonta; lived at Altoona; farmer for W.J. Ellison; white; single Dover, Leon; born 27 May 1896 at Cleveland; lived at Cleveland; farmer; white; single; dependent mother and sister; complained of flat feet Dover, Luther; born 31 Jan 1898; lived at Oneonta; work in cotton mill for Dwight Manufacturing Company at Alabama City; white; nearest relative: M.M. Dover Dover, Perry; born 4 Aug 1888 at Cleveland; lived at Cleveland; farmer; white; single; dependent mother and sister Dover, William Isaac; born 9 Nov 1872; lived at Altoona; farmer for W.J. Ellison; white; nearest relative: Mrs. Nancy Dover [William Isaac Dover married Nannie J. Simmons 14 Feb 1897, Blount County] Dover, William; born 1 Jul 1893 at Steele, Alabama; lived at Altoona; farmer for Bill Coats; white; single; complained of left eye out ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== Dover list home page http://pages.cthome.net/familytree/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Internet Of Salisbury, Inc.] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Internet Of Salisbury, Inc.]

Source: 1920 Census Cocke County, Tennessee Part of 4th Civil District Enumeration District:44 Enumeration Date: January 2 & 3 , 1920 Sheet # 1A & B Printed Page # 75 IM 1 & 2 House: 11 Family: 11 Name Rel Sex Race Age Marital Stat POB FPOB MPOB Occupation Dover, Robert Head M W 49 Md NC NC NC Farm Laborer Mary E. Wife F W 34/39? Md TN TN TN Vergie Dau F W 20 S TN NC TN Ira Dau F W 17 S TN NC TN Berret? Son M W 13 S TN NC TN Willie Son M W 13 S TN NC TN Kate Dau F W 11 S TN NC TN Marjorie Dau F W 9 S TN NC TN Beulah Dau F W 6 S TN NC TN Zella Dau F W 4 6/12 S TN NC TN Burnett Son M W 7/12? S TN NC TN Neighbors are: Stamey & Hanes. Anyone know who this is? Sharon Dover Romanek Primary e-mail: [email protected] Secondary e-mail: [email protected] Researching: Romanek, Gucwa, Dover, Shrader, Tyner, Johnston, Williams, Edge, Smith, Kirksey, Demers, Murphy, Allen It's 2003... Do you know where your g-g-great grandparents are? --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Internet Of Salisbury, Inc.]

Thought I would try to find some of the people from the Tennessee deaths that Terry posted a while back. This is not one of them, but I thought I would post it anyway. Source: 1920 Census Bradley County, Tennessee 4th Civil District Cleveland City Enumeration District:15 Enumeration Date: January 5, 1920 Sheet # Printed Page # 212 House: 75 Family: 90 Name Rel Sex Race Age Marital Stat POB FPOB MPOB Occupation Combough, John Head M W 47 Md VA VA VA Carpenter Lynda Wife F W 47 Md TN Germany IN Inspector-Woolen Mill Ollie Dau F W 18 S TN VA TN Coat Maker-Woolen Mill Elizabeth Dau F W 16 S TN VA TN Ticket Sales-Picture Show Jessie Dau F W 10 S TN VA TN James T. Son M W 6 S TN VA TN Dover, James Grandpa M W 62 Md GA SC NC Laborer-City Lucinda Grandma F W 60 Md NC NC NC Neighbors are: Chittendon & Eberhardt ? sp Anyone know who this is? Sure are a lot of Lucinda names in the Dover family. At least this was not another John. I cringe anymore when I see one of those. This is about 30 miles from Chattanooga and where I went to college. It is a very church oriented area with many national headquarters for various churches housed there at this time and I think during that time too. I know two for sure were centered there at that time because my grandparents were involved with both of them at different times.Some of the religious organizations there in the 70's were considered to be a little controversial. Most of the organizations I knew much about were very strict Pentecostal in nature. Sharon Dover Romanek Primary e-mail: [email protected] Secondary e-mail: [email protected] Researching: Romanek, Gucwa, Dover, Shrader, Tyner, Johnston, Williams, Edge, Smith, Kirksey, Demers, Murphy, Allen It's 2003... Do you know where your g-g-great grandparents are? --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Internet Of Salisbury, Inc.]

-----Original Message----- From: sromanek [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 11:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Dover] 1920 Cocke County, TN Census, Robert Dover One Robert Dover was supposed to have been married to two HOLT sisters, Thula and Mary E. Holt. This has one of those census years (1920) that has neighbors that can go back a long way. Maybe Tim Dover on our list can verify a connection between the 1880 and 1920 census. 1880 McDowell County, North Carolina Census T9-0970 Marion, McDowell County, North Carolina Page 384C John Dover Self M M W 31 NC NC NC Farm Laborer Naoma C. Wife F M W 34 NC NC NC Keeping House Sallie E. Dau F S W 10 NC NC NC At Home Katie M. Dau F S W 09 NC NC NC At Home Robert A. Son M S W 06 NC NC NC At Home Thomas B. Son M S W 03 NC NC NC At Home John S. Son M S W 01 NC NC NC At Home John Irvin Csn M S W 26 NC NC NC Farm Laborer Civil District No. 5, ED No. 162, June 14, 1900 Sheet 8B #148/150 Robert Dover Head M W May 1875 25 M4 NC NC NC Farm laborer Thula [Holt?] Wife F W Apr 1870 30 M4 2 1 TN TN TN Etter Dau F W May 1899 01 S TN NC TN Cora Nolin Lod F W May 1895 05 S TN TN TN 1910 Cocke County, Tennessee Census 4th Civil District (part of), ED No. 42, April 17 & 20, 1910 Sheet 4B #76 Robert E. Dover Head M W 33 [1877] M 1 NC NC NC Farmer Mary Wife F W 35 [1875] M 1 4 3 TN TN TN Virgie Dau F W 11 [1899] S TN NC TN Annie? Dau F W 09 [1901] S TN NC TN Arthur Son M W 06 [1904] S TN NC TN Bennett Son M W 02 [1908] S TN NC TN Willie? Dau F W 02 [1908] S TN NC TN 1920 Cocke County, Tennessee Census T625-1733 District No. 3 (Part of), ED 42, January 3, 1920 Page 2A #23/23 Edward Holt Head M W 69 [1851] W TN TN TN Andrew Son M W 35 [1885] S TN TN TN #24/24 John Dover? Head M W 70 [1850] M NC NC NC Mary L. Wife F W 57 [1863] M TN TN TN #25/25 John S. Padgett Head M W 50 [1870] M NC NC NC ???? B. Wife F W 45 [1875] M TN TN TN Luton? Son M W 21 [1899] S TN NC TN Beatrace Dau F W 17 [1903] S TN NC TN Joseph Son M W 17 [1903] S TN NC TN Lou?ile Dau F W 14 [1906] S TN NC TN Jessie Dau F W 10 [1910] S TN NC TN Essie Dau F W 10 [1910] S TN NCTN 4th Civil District (Part of), ED No. 44, 2nd & 3rd January, 1920 Page 1A & 1B #11/11 Robert Dover Head M W 49 [1871] M NC NC NC Farm Laborer Mary E. [Holt] Wife F W 39 [1881] M TN TN TN Vergie Dau F W 20 [1900] S TN NC TN Ira Dau F W 17 [1903] S TN NC TN Bennet Son M W 13 [1907] S TN NC TN Willie Son M W 13 [1907] S TN NC TN Kate Dau F W 11 [1909] S TN NC TN Majorie Dau F W 09 [1911] S TN NC TN Barela? Dau F W 06 [1914] S TN NC TN Zella Dau F W 04 [1916] S TN NC TN 4-6/12 Burnett Son M W 01 [1919] S TN NC TN 6/12

One possibility is that James was the grandson of Michael & Malinda Dover, son of David & Mary Swaney Dover. Bradley County, Tennessee Cemetery Records Fort Hill Cemetery James T. Dover 1861 - 1939 Lucinda Dover 1861 - 1936 1880 Blount County, Tennessee Census T9-1245 District 17, Blount County, Tennessee Page 228D David A. Dover Self M M W 53 [1827] NC Carpenter NC NC Mary Wife F M W 42 [1838] NC Keeping House NC NC Mary J. Dau F S W 16 [1864] NC At Home NC NC Mikeal A. L. Son M S W 13 [1867] TN At Home NC NC David C. Son M S W 10 [1870] TN At Home NC NC Linch T. Son M S W 07 [1873] TN NC NC Margaret Dau F S W 05 [1875] TN NC NC John J. Son M S W 02 [1878] TN NC NC James T. Son M M W 20 [1860] GA Farm Laborer NC NC Lucinda J. DIL F M W 20 [1860] NC House Keeping NC NC 1870 Blount County, Tennessee Census M593-1515 District No. 1, Brickmill PO, June 8, 1870 Page 72B (Ancestry Image 8) #54/55 Antwerp Dover 35 [1835] M W NC Farming Mary 30 [1840] F W NC Hannah 12 [1852] F W GA James T/L? 10 [1860] M W GA Mary Jane 08 [1862] F W NC Mikel A. L. 06 [1864] M W TN David C. 8m [1869] M W TN 1860 Gilmer County, Georgia Census M653-124 Page 161 David Dover 21 [1839] NC Mary 21 [1839] NC Hannah E. 2/12 [1860] NC James G. 2/12 [1860] NC -----Original Message----- From: sromanek [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 10:42 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Dover] 1920 James Dover, Bradley Co., TN Thought I would try to find some of the people from the Tennessee deaths that Terry posted a while back. This is not one of them, but I thought I would post it anyway.

Yes, but there are events that take place outside of surnames. For example adoptions - where possibly a child's parent's die and they move in with their sister's family and then take on that surname. There are neighbors that raise children as their own, and children born out of wedlock and their mothers marry someone with a different surname and there are many more examples of how your relatives are not always carrying your surname. I think it likely that these events show up in anyones family and it never hurts to look into it further. Patricia ----- > Here's why I have ignored the matches with other surnames. I'm first > concerned about the generation of who was who ca 1750 in those hills of > North Carolina. Another 100 years of 40 generations back would be great and > we could find that outside the US, but another 1000 years ... :-) > > FAMILY TREE DNA: If you compare the 12 marker result to someone else who > does not have the same surname, but the scores match, you are most likely > NOT recently related. When we use the term recently related, we are talking > about a time frame within the last 1000 years or 40 generations, a time > depth that accommodates the earliest known use of surnames. >

Thanks for this excellent tip - I may not have matched with any of you, but it seems I do have a perfect match out there. Best wishes Tony Dover Cheltenham, England On Monday, February 23, 2004, at 06:07 pm, Patricia wrote: > I just wanted to let the DNA participants know that if they go to > their DNA page at FamilyTreeDNA and click on update contact > information about 1/2 way down the page there is a little box that is > checked off. If you decide to uncheck the box you will see matches > outside your surname project. > So if you match someone with a different surname you could investigate > that to see if your familes were living in the same place at some > point. > In case you didn't know about this option. > Patricia > > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > Dover list home page > http://pages.cthome.net/familytree/ >

Hope this has not been posted. I tried to make sure it had not in recent archived messages and did not see it. I did find the references to Hugh, but not a census on him for this particular year. Thought it might help a little bit. Source: 1930 Census Blount County, Alabama, Royal PO Enumeration District:18 Enumeration Date: April 8, 1930 Sheet # 5A Printed Page # 161 IM 9 House: 86 Family: 88 Name Rel Sex Race Age Marital Stat Age at 1st mg POB FPOB MPOB Occupation Dover, Hugh Head M W 24 Md 22 AL AL AL Farmer Emma E. Wife F W 16 Md 14 AL AL AL Neighbors are: Underwoods & Woods. MAN they married young back then. My daughter will be 14 in a month or so. Cannot picture her married much less cooking and washing and having babies. Sharon Dover Romanek Primary e-mail: [email protected] Secondary e-mail: [email protected] Researching: Romanek, Gucwa, Dover, Shrader, Tyner, Johnston, Williams, Edge, Smith, Kirksey, Demers, Murphy, Allen It's 2003... Do you know where your g-g-great grandparents are? --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Internet Of Salisbury, Inc.]

Absolutely! -------Original Message------- From: [email protected] Date: Monday, February 23, 2004 16:06:18 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Dover] DNA page I agree not everyone will have matches but I just wanted to make sure everyone knew about this option. Patricia > Patricia, My brother's was already "unchecked." I believe that not everyone > will have matches outside our surname project. > > the box you will see matches outside your surname project. > So if you match someone with a different surname you could investigate that > to see if your familes were living in the same place at some point. > In case you didn't know about this option. > Patricia > > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > Dover list home page > http://pages.cthome.net/familytree/ > > . > > > > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== > If you need to contact the Listmanager, > please send your message to, Patricia at [email protected] > ==== DOVER Mailing List ==== If you need to contact the Listmanager, please send your message to, Patricia at [email protected] .