Clare Maybe we will find them in the 1911 census. That is next. janice In a message dated 12/2/2003 8:07:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, stoppa1@nrtco.net writes: Hi Janice: You are doing such a wonderful job of reporting all these census to the list. Unfortunately none of my Helferty/Hilferty's have been on the lists, but thank you anyway. Clare in Canada