Well, I am getting somewhere at least! I've some copies of early Conwal and Leck and Glenswilly marriages, plus others and had only recently noticed the funny latin notes in one column with this word 'consanguinity' ................. definately looking at the canon law consanguinity. I got some good responses to my query about it and then this morning (for me anyway!) Pat mentioned Family Tree Maker - duhhhh - I've been using that prog for about 10 years and hadn't noticed that it could list a report with the canon and civil kinship as well! I listed my kinship report and just in case this might help someone, here's what it comes up with for some relationships - Canon 1st cousin - 2 1st cousin once removed - 3 1st cousin twice removed - 4 2nd cousin - 3 2nd cousin once removed - 4 3rd cousin - 4 Aunt/uncle - 2 Grandfather - 2 Great grandaunt - 4 Grandaunt/uncle - 3 Great grandfather - 3 Still going back to study the Catholic encyclopaedia online though!!! Thanks to everyone who responded - again :-) Lindel (where its a sunny Sunday morning & Mothers Day !)