Checked the Baptismal Register for Donegal Parish and just one family of Ritchie , John and Martha from Clarcam.Checked the Hanna's in Donegal and no William and Mary Ann. Cannot say I have come across them in Drumholm but can have a look. There were Ritchie's in Killymard but have checked in the census for 1821-41-51 and there are possibilities. There were also many Ritchie's in Inver and Killaghtee as well. Margaret -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 04 December 2008 03:20 To: [email protected] Subject: DONEGALEIRE Digest, Vol 3, Issue 281 When replying to a digest post, quote only the specific text to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. Today's Topics: 1. HANNAH, RITCHIE ~1800 (Betty) 2. Re: HANNAH, RITCHIE ~1800 (Ray) 3. 1855 Registrations Scotland (Meg Greenwood) 4. Irish in Butler PA (hiflyte) 5. Re: 1855 Registrations Scotland (Ray) 6. Molinmore Parish (Bob Orr) 7. Re: Molinmore Parish (Loretta) 8. Re: Molinmore Parish (hiflyte) 9. P.S. RE: Molinmore Parish (Loretta) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:57:49 -0500 From: "Betty" <[email protected]> Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] HANNAH, RITCHIE ~1800 To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hello, I'd just like to say that I'm still interested in finding out which part of County Donegal my ancestors lived in. I only have names, Andrew RITCHIE and Isabella (?) (YEATES?), who had a daughter, Eliza (beth?) RITCHIE, in June 1837. And, William HANNAH and Mary Ann (?), who had a son, William HANNAH, in December 1828. I don't know anything else about this family. But, I'm told the 2 families might have moved back and forth between Ireland and Scotland looking for work. William and Eliza married in Glasgow in Dec. 1854 / Jan. 1855. They had a daughter in 1856 and another in April 1857. In July 1857 they left, and sailed to Massachusetts / US. Their daughter, Elizabeth HANNAH, b1857, was my great-grandmother. The older daughter did not survive to adulthood. They had several more children while in MA. Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) FYI: Elizabeth married in MA to William KERR, whose grandparents were KERR's and HENDERSON's who lived in County Sligo, Ireland, and left in 1820's for Canada. William came down to MA/US ~1874. Remember to check the archives of all the Lists and Boards for your surnames and place-names. And, please remember to check the on-line auctions for for your surnames and place-names. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:18:03 +1000 From: "Ray" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DONEGALEIRE] HANNAH, RITCHIE ~1800 To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hello Betty. The Scottish BIRTH records, after official registration began in 1855, provide the BIRTHPLACES of both parents of the child. Therefore, I would suggest obtaining Elizabeth's birth certificate. If for some reason that information is not on her birth certificate; then hopefully it would be on that of her elder sister, who would still have been born after the date of official registration. Also, IF the parents were married in January 1855, when official registration first started in Scotland; then their marriage certificate should also provide you with a lot of good information. In case you are not aware of all of the wonderful resources available on ScotlandsPeople, here is their URL: http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ Also, have you googled for "andrew ritchie" ? There are lots of hits there, which might be helpful; although I suspect that some of the genealogy ones might be your own entries. HTH: Ray in Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty" <[email protected]> ... I'm still interested in finding out which part of County Donegal my ancestors lived in. > > I only have names, Andrew RITCHIE and Isabella (?) (YEATES?), who had a > daughter, Eliza (beth?) RITCHIE, in June 1837. And, William HANNAH and > Mary Ann (?), who had a son, William HANNAH, in December 1828. > > I don't know anything else about this family. But, I'm told the 2 > families > might have moved back and forth between Ireland and Scotland looking for > work. > > William and Eliza married in Glasgow in Dec. 1854 / Jan. 1855. They had > a > daughter in 1856 and another in April 1857. In July 1857 they left, and > sailed to Massachusetts / US. > > Their daughter, Elizabeth HANNAH, b1857, was my great-grandmother. The > older daughter did not survive to adulthood. They had several more > children while in MA. > > Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) > FYI: > > Elizabeth married in MA to William KERR, whose grandparents were KERR's > and > HENDERSON's who lived in County Sligo, Ireland, and left in 1820's for > Canada. William came down to MA/US ~1874. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:22:57 -0600 From: Meg Greenwood <[email protected]> Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] 1855 Registrations Scotland To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Have literally looked at thousands of Scottish Birth, Marriage and Death registrations. The only year that gives birthplaces of father and mother is 1855. I just checked the questions asked by looking at an example of Bs, Ms and Ds in a non-1855 year. For a Birth, a Marriage and a Death in 1855, the birthplace was specifically asked. If they did not know, it simply will say 'unknown' or 'doesn't know' however, that's more often on a Death Registration since its not the deceased answering the question, it was an Informant, they may not even be related to the deceased. For 'Birthplace' you don't know what was told to the Registrar. Civil Registration was a totally new process as of 1 Jan, 1855, it more or less depended on what the Registrar thought was required. They may have said "Ireland'. Or maybe 'Donegal' or hopefully, the particular townland is named. I was lucky on one 1855 Stirlingshire Marriage, the bride said 'Killymard, Donegal' as her birthplace. Unlucky for me the Registrar wrote 'Tullymard' and it took over 3y to figure out it was Killymard. We found the 1855 death registration for a sibling and it confirmed the birthplace. Beginning 1 Jan, 1856 the Registration questions changed drastically, and the birthplace of the parents is no longer required on any Scottish Registration. The only time a birthplace is asked is for a birth. They ask specifically for the Place of Birth. Nothing is even asked about the parents' marriage until 1861 when that question was re-instated. The IGI says there was an entry on 1 Jan, 1855 in Blythswood, so they must have registered in both bride's and groom's parishes. Cross your fingers. The FHC where I volunteer has the full series of 1855 events for all the 901 parishes in Scotland. I'll check for the 1855 Marriage and hope they were Registered that year. Didn't matter when the Marriage took place, its if it was REGISTERED in 1855, all those great questions were asked. Will check for the marriage of William HANNAH and Elizabeth RITCHIE. ....MegG in OK ======================= > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:28:34 -0700 From: hiflyte <[email protected]> Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] Irish in Butler PA To: IRL-Donegaleire-L <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Found while browsing, may be of interest to some of our members, Donegal Irish in Butler PA http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merle/Butler/index.htm Marriage in PA pre 1790 http://usgwarchives.org/pa/1pa/paarchivesseries/series2/vol2/pass2-01.html Bob Cdn ============================= ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:44:09 +1000 From: "Ray" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DONEGALEIRE] 1855 Registrations Scotland To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Meg: thank you for this very complete explanation. I had thought that I was on strong ground in asserting what I did about the parent's birthplaces on Scottish birth certificates; because I double-checked it with one which I have from there ---- and you guessed it, it was for 1855 !!! Oh what a pity that they changed the questions the following year. Thanks for clarifying this Meg; and my apologies to the list for having led people astray. Ray in oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meg Greenwood" <[email protected]> > Have literally looked at thousands of Scottish Birth, Marriage and Death > registrations. The only year that gives birthplaces of father and > mother is 1855. ... > Beginning 1 Jan, 1856 the Registration questions changed drastically, > and the birthplace of the parents is no longer required on any Scottish > Registration. The only time a birthplace is asked is for a birth. They > ask specifically for the Place of Birth. Nothing is even asked about > the parents' marriage until 1861 when that question was re-instated. .... MegG in OK ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:33:31 -0600 From: "Bob Orr" <[email protected]> Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] Molinmore Parish To: "Donegal County" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" One of my Love ancestors is said to come from Molinmore Parish, Co. Donegal, Northern Ireland. I can't find Molinmore Parish. Does anyone know of it or has the name been changed. Thanks! ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:55:48 -0500 From: "Loretta" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DONEGALEIRE] Molinmore Parish To: "'Bob Orr'" <[email protected]>, "'Donegal County'" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Bob, this is probably Malin More or Malinmore, which is not a parish itself but rather a townland within the parish of Glencolumbkille and barony of Banagh in Donegal. Also, the name Love appears in Phillimore & Thrift's Index to Wills in the Diocese of Raphoe 1684-1858 as published in "Families of County Donegal" by Michael C. O'Laughlin, Irish Genealogical Foundation, Kansas City, MO (2001). A partial .pdf of the book is available here: http://books.google.com/books?id=2dO4L8DDxG4C&pg=PA43&lpg=PA43&dq=donegal+pa rishes+Malinmore&source=bl&ots=spYi5bDsL6&sig=DisnJZDrUXTHf2ISQNBLPr1eANI&hl =en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=9&ct=result#PPA6,M1 Or go to www.books.google.com and search for "Families of Co. Donegal Ireland." I understand that, unfortunately, few actual wills have survived and indices are practically all that remain. Loretta -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Orr Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 21:34 To: Donegal County Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] Molinmore Parish One of my Love ancestors is said to come from Molinmore Parish, Co. Donegal, Northern Ireland. I can't find Molinmore Parish. Does anyone know of it or has the name been changed. Thanks! ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:56:06 -0700 From: hiflyte <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DONEGALEIRE] Molinmore Parish To: Donegal County <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Agree can't find Molinmore Parish, no such parish in Donegal Read on: Refer to IreAtlas at: http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/cgi-bin/iresrch there are: Mellamore, Melmore, Meentaghmore, Money More, Moneymore, Moymore, Mulnamin More, but I think it could be Mullanmore townland: Mullanmore 247 Donegal Boylagh Inishkeel Glenties Ulster Bob Cdn ==================================================== Bob Orr wrote: > One of my Love ancestors is said to come from Molinmore Parish, Co. Donegal, Northern Ireland. I can't find Molinmore Parish. Does anyone know of it or has the name been changed ================================ ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:19:20 -0500 From: "Loretta" <[email protected]> Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] P.S. RE: Molinmore Parish To: "'Bob Orr'" <[email protected]>, "'Donegal County'" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Also, Bob, I don't know how far back your Loves go, but a 16 August 1693 inquisition at Strabane in neighboring County Tyrone lists John Love among tenants having holdings in the town of Strabane. Other tenants there at the time were Anne Newburgh, William Henderson, James and Patrick Hamilton, Oliver McCasland, Samuel Lawes, Robert Robinson, John Anderson, Andrew Parke, Walter McFarland, James McGee, and Thomas Holmes. This information is in the footnote on page 529 of Rev. George Hill's 1877 "An Historical Account of the Plantation of Ulster at the Commencement of the Seventeenth Century, available in full view and searchable at www.books.google.com. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Orr Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 21:34 To: Donegal County Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] Molinmore Parish One of my Love ancestors is said to come from Molinmore Parish, Co. Donegal, Northern Ireland. I can't find Molinmore Parish. Does anyone know of it or has the name been changed. 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