Cannot agree with that, Lindel!! First, there were almost NO CofI people to rent the land to in the Laggan Valley. They were all Catholic and Presbyterian. That is why 10 out of 12 of the Vestrymen at Taughboyne Parish Church were Presbyterians! Second, this land is top class arable land. You are not going to run sheep or deer on it. The money will be made from crops and beef and dairy cattle. And the people who will do the labouring over the crops and the cattle will be Catholic and Presbyterian. No, it is really just a case of, this is how things were in the 19th century, this is how people thought. They were not monsters, quite the opposite, many of these landlords were actually caring people who did a lot to help the poor when times were really hard with soup kitchens. But, they believed it was better to "reform" them by threatening them with evicition if they did not get their act together and work harder. Btw, it is really good to hear from you again and I hope you are feeling well. Hugs, Boyd Gray http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ http://preview.tinyurl.com/yk7gckr -----Original Message----- From: Lindel [mailto:lbuckle@ihug.co.nz] Sent: 02 August 2011 15:21 To: boydgray26@utvinternet.com Cc: DONEGALEIRE@rootsweb.com; irl-co-donegal@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Clonleigh Parish 1820 Hi Boyd and LISTERS! That sounds like a great idea - I'll add the info to the Clonleigh pages in the morning! As for Rays very good observation "What I cannot understand though, is that if he was so eager to kick out tenants, then how was he expecting to obtain income from the properties?" I may be able to answer this. These 'observations' were made at a time when the native Irish tenants, the Roman Catholic and Presbyterian tenants were third class citizens - the rights to own or inherit land wasn't open to them and the education of their children was taking place in the doorways of chapels or in houses - worship was generally undertaken in secrecy - and I know that I have read somewhere that the landlords at that time were taxed a higher amount on these kinds of tenants (as opposed to Church of Ireland/Established church people). It was more profitable for them to run sheep, cattle or deer than have these poor people as tenants. I can't for the life of me remember where I read that, as I've read sooooo much over the years, but I do know I did read it somewhere. Someone might have a better answer to this but in the morning, I will see if I can find the reference. Anyway, thanks so much for your post Boyd!! All the best, Lindel On 3/08/2011 1:13 a.m., boydgray26@utvinternet.com wrote: > Losters, > > The data below is copied from PRONI's ecatalogue and all these places > are in Clonleigh Parish. The ecatalogue somethimes throws up > immensely valuable nuggets like this and at other times, all you get > is a very brief outline of the document in question. > > (Lindel, could it be copied and pasted straight onto your website > under Clonleigh so it is easily found again by researchers?) > > > [c.1820] > > Description :"Observations sent up by Mr Stewart". Detailed > observations on tenants, noting crop failures, emigration, etc, (see > transcript). Earl of Erne. Lifford and Croghan Estates, Co. Donegal. > > Earl of Erne's Donegal Account: Observations sent up by Mr Stewart > > No. Denominations Tenants Names Observations > > 5 Ballindrait Eleanor Denny Served with notice to quit which must be > proceeded on. > > 6 Ballindrait James Meehine Has expended a large sum on his farm this > year in ditching and other improvements which made him fall back a > quarter's rent with his yearly rent. > > 7 Ballindrait Hugh and Toal Gallagher Tenements in the village; poor > and no distress to be got on their premises > > 8 Ballindrait Michael McGheehan A carpenter; met an accident which > disabled him from work for above six months; is now recovered and has > a good crop in his ground. > > 10 Ballindrait Michael McGheehan This plot now on hands having been > [in ruins purchased] from the tenant by Colonel Crichton being a good > situation for building. > > 12 Ballindrait James Henderson Claims this house as an appendage to > his farm in Tammy Wood No. 256. > > 13 Ballindrait Nicholas McCunned Served with notice to quit. > > 14 Ballindrait Michael Brennan Served with notice no distress on premises. > > 15-18 Ballindrait William Beacam Widow Walsh Andrew Moore William > McFarland Tenements in the village of Ballindrait held by paupers who > are in treaty to give up their premises. > > 23 Ballinabrien Peter Gallagher, Senior Must be served with notice to quit. > > 24 Ballinabrien Charles McShane Must be served with notice very poor. > > 25 Ballinabrien Joseph Stevenson Gone to America; now in possession of > Robert Stevenson who is answerable for the arrear and it must be paid. > The last year's crop destroyed by overflowing of the River Burndale (?). > > 30 Ballinabrien Catherine Bogan Must be served with notice to quit. > > 31 Birdstown James Henderson See No. 92. > > 32 Birdstown Henry McDermott Died last year; his son must be served > with notice to quit. > > 34 Birdstown William Sanson No distress on premises; has a pension and > must be proceeded against. > > 37 Birdstown John Wetherall Lost last year's crop by bank of River > Burndale bursting; will pay up this year. > > 39 Birdstown Michael Boyle Must be noticed to quit; carried off his > crop last year to avoid distress. > > 40 Birdstown Eleanor and Pat Meehine Must be noticed to quit, carried > off his crop last year to avoid distress. > > 43 Cavan George Keys If he does not pay up before next May must be > served with notice to quit. They are very old tenants but latterly > reduced in circumstances. > > 50 Cunnybonow Hugh Brady A man in respectable circumstances; some > proceedings must be taken to enforce payment; an attachment would be > most effectual. > > 53 Cunnybonow George Little A good tradesman but keeps no stock on the > land; an attachment would force him to pay up. > > 56 Cunnybonow Patrick McShane Served with notice to quit. > > 63 Curraghlane Unity Doogan Served with notice to quit. > > 65 Curraghlane Hugh Kelly Served with notice to quit. > > 67 Curraghlane John Morton No distress on the premises must be noticed > to quit. > > 69 Drumbuoy John Morton This townland held under an old lease which > should be ejected and a new letting made to the best of the present occupiers. > > 76 Drumleen John Stewart Served with notice to quit. > > 77 Drumleen John Gilfillan Was confined in gaol for two years for > abetting in a case of abduction; he has now put down a good crop in the land. > > 81 Drumleen The rents of this townland on re-setting was nearly > doubled and I fear many of the old tenants will be unable to pay the > rents though it is not above the fair value. > > 90 Dromore Matthew Gormley Is served with notic to quit. > > 91 Dromore Catherine William Gilfillan and Must be served with notice. > > 92 Drumnahaw James Henderson Served with notice. > > 95-96 Galgonagh Patrick Meehine See No.40. > > 97 Glencosk Neil Lynchahan now John Mahaffy Died this year after > purchasing the goodwill of this place to add to No. 88. There is a > good crop in the land. > > Robert Garland One of a desperate faction; tried for the murder of > Moore son of his neighbour. Lynch and Michael Carland of the same > party have been induced to sell their interests in the farms and I > hope to be able to do the same with this man. Severe legal measures might cause further outrages. > > Robert Galbraith Has fallen back since the new letting which was near > double the former rent. > > 100 Gortinmore William Weir An improving tenant; purchased the > goodwill of No. 104 to add to his farm; will pay the deficiency of the > past year with this year's rent. > > 107 Green Brae Fishery Daniel McMenimin Fell back a year's rent during > the year of the cholera raging as there was no sale for fish that year > which was stated on the former rental. > > 110 Gortnagole Andrew McConnell A large farm of poor grassland which > this man is unequal to stock. The rent has been considerably increased > on new letting and I fear this man will be unable to hold the farm. > > 111 Guystown John Porter Agreed on the new letting to expend a large > sum on the farm but has not yet made any improvement and it was with > difficulty the receiver obtained the £100 now credited; he should be > served with notice to quit. > > 118 Lifford Reps. G. Thompson This is part of the Commons of Lifford; > the occupiers have an idea they are not liable to pay rent to Lord > Erne considering the land as belonging to the Corporation of Lifford > and the only money received from them has been by distress which is > difficult to obtain; some of them were served with notice to quit > which failed by death of old bailiff who had served the notices. > > 119 Lifford James Kelly This is part of the Commons of Lifford; the > occupiers have an idea they are not liable to pay rent to Lord Erne > considering the land as belonging to the Corporation of Lifford and > the only money received from them has been by distress which is > difficult to obtain; some of them were served with notice to quit > which failed by death of old bailiff who had served the notices. > > 120 Lifford William Chambers, Esquire Counsellor Chambers and others > pay this rent. I will call upon him to pay it up more regularly. > > 122 Lifford John Caniss A small tenement in the town; very poor but > generally pays regularly. > > 123 Lifford James Risk If he does not pay before November he should be > attached; is reported to be about to be married to a woman who has a > fortune of some hundred pounds; involved himself by purchasing goodwill of farm. > > 126 Lifford Corporation land. > > 129 Lifford Hugh Brady This land held formerly direct by lease from > the Corporation at a much lower rent than this by Mrs Stephenson, aunt > of Mrs Brady who gave up her lease from Corporation to the late Lord > Erne and took out a new lease at the present rent. For some time Mr > Brady paid rent until the Commissioners to enquire into Corporations > made their visit. Since that time he objects paying this rent. > > 131 Lifford Charles Gallagher A poor tenement in Lifford; seldom a > distress to be had on the premises. > > 132 Lifford Mrs Meliora Spence now in hands of James Risk See No. 123. > > 133 Lifford George Little See No. 53. > > 135 Lifford John Martin now Moses Martin The greater part of this > accrued during the tenancy of John who became a bankrupt. The present > tenant is a half pay officer but impossible to get payment from him without a distress. > > 136 Lifford James Brodie On becoming tenant engaged to clear off those > arrears which he has not done; an attachment would be the most > effectual means of getting payment. > > 144 Lifford James Risk See No. 123. > > 149 Lifford Joseph Sharkey Notice to quit must be served on this man; > he is able to pay the rent if compelled to do so. > > 152 Lifford Widow Susan Davis Falling back in her rent; must be served > with notice to quit. > > 156 Lifford John Cummins Tenements in town; his undertenants refuse to > pay him on pretence of its being Corporation property; should be > served with notice to quit. > > 157 Lifford Patrick Mellon Never paid any rent alleging this to be > Corporation property. > > 159 Lifford James McBride's widow Widow of a former bailiff; fell into > arrear after her husband's death; has latterly paid pretty regularly. > > 160 Lifford Rev. E.M. Clarke Master of Lifford School for which there > is three years salary at £30 Irish per annum due to him. He has > petitioned the Court for a reduction of rent which is the reason of this being unsettled. > > 162 Lifford Patrick McCosker A poor cabin; no distress to be had. > > 163 Lifford Margaret McGettigan A poor cabin; no distress to be had. > > 165 Lifford Charles Patton Should be served with notice to quit. > > 167 Lifford Widow Davis See No. 152. > > 168-172 Lifford Poor tenements in the town. No distress to be had. The > only remedy is by notice to quit and ejectments. > > 176 Lifford A. Doogan and D. Donnell Served with notice to quit. > > 179 Lifford Neal Doherty Does not reside on the land; very difficult > to get any distress on the land; should be attached. > > 181 Lifford Cornelius Patton A struggling old man. I fear must be > served with notice. > > 183 Lifford Andrew Doogan Same as No. 176. > > 186-190 Lifford Corporation land; tenants refuse to pay. > > 194 Millessagh William Beacam This tenant is in the South of Ireland > in the police. The crop should be distrained this year. > > 195 Millsessagh Thomas Keolaghan See No. 34; served with notice. > > 198 Millsessagh Hugh Galbraith and Tol Gallagher No distress on the > premises; a very poor house and garden; should be served with notice > to quit. > > 200 Millsessagh Patrick Moore Refuses to pay new rent; must be served > with notice to quit. > > 201 Millsessagh James Sharp and Charles Logue Mere paupers; near 80 > year old. Those houses should be taken down. > > 202 Milessagh Andrew McBith Has presented a petition to the Court for > a reduction of rent; not yet answered. > > 203-209 Millessagh All these are miserable cabins. I am endeavouring > by degrees to remove the occupiers in order to have the houses thrown down. > > 216 Moneen John Mahaffy, Junior Tenant died in January last. See No. 97. > > 221 Mullinaveigh James Weir This rent considerably increased as new > letting but still fair value; an attachment would be the most > effectual means of forcing him to pay up. > > 219 Mullinaveigh George McKinney This man was a very bad tenant but is > improving. > > 221 Mullinaveigh Alexander Weir Paid up all arrear of rent charge due > by him which caused the rent to fall back. > > 223 Mullinaveigh Neil Fisher Served with notice to quit. > > 229 Murlagh Moses Quinton and This held under lease partners which > should be ejected. E. Diermott the largest holder is the person who is falling behind. > > 234 Murlagh William Wilson Very poor high land. This tenant unable to > stock the farm properly. I fear he must be ejected. > > 235 Murlagh James Henderson partners Henderson is falling back, and > partners Henderson is falling back, the other partner pays regularly. > > 239 Portanure Robert Throne This man yearly getting worse; must be > served with notice to quit. > > 240 Portanure Charles McLoughlin This man yearly getting worse; mus be > served with notice to quit. > > 241 Portanure Mary Galagher This man yearly getting worse; must be > served with notice to quit. > > 242 Portanure Daniel Kane This man yearly getting worse; must be > served with notice to quit. > > 243 Portanure James Gallagher This man yearly getting worse; must be > served with notice to quit. > > 246 Roaghan Reps. Thomas Banigan Family dividing the farm; notice > should be served. No distress to be had > > 247 Roaghan Catherine Thomas These are very bad and Patrick Crossan > tenants; should be served with notice to quit. The land find meadow > ground close to Lifford but subject to flood. > > 248 Roaghan Reps. Thomas Banigan. See No. 246 > > 256 Tamnywood James Henderson See Nos. 235 and 92. > > Boyd Gray > > http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm > > http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ > > http://preview.tinyurl.com/yk7gckr > > > > >