It looks like Betty has not had our book on Killymard which gives the 1821/41/51 census for the parish. The Spence's were married into the Wray family who were my husbands ancestors. Lettie died a couple of years ago but she would not have had this info which surfaced much later and we used it to build up a record of the Killymard families.DRUMSTEVLIN 1821 SPENCE. Jacob [46] Isobel [45] John [22] Elizabeth [19] George [16] Jacob [13] James [10] SPENCE. John [32] Jane Wilson [30] Married 23/3/1819 Dorothy [1 ?] William [22] SPENCE. David [43] Mary [38] Catherine [15] John [11] Susan [6] SPENCE. James [41] Jane [38] William [16] Sarah [10] Andrew [7] James [4] Mary [1 ?] [Present John, Sam, and Lizzie Spence great-grandparents] WRAY. Joseph [35] Barbara [Spence] [35] Lucy [12] Married McClure David [8] USA Mary [6] John [3] died young Barbara [married Billy Spence] Mary [married Robert Williamson, father of Edward] WRAY. William [40] Eleanor [Stewart 28] David [5] Ann [married Williamson.] WRAY. David [76] Lucy [Acheson 60] Alexander [22] Lucy Taylor [Lucy Acheson' s niece 22] William [12] Isaac ?6 months Margaret -----Original Message----- From: donegaleire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donegaleire-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of donegaleire-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 17 February 2011 08:01 To: donegaleire@rootsweb.com Subject: DONEGALEIRE Digest, Vol 6, Issue 33 TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY SUBJECT, GO TO THE THREADED ARCHIVES AT http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/DONEGALEIRE/ TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY DATES AND SUBJECT GO TO THE SEARCHABLE ARCHIVES AT http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=DONEGALEIRE SOME HELPFUL WEBSITES: Donegal Genealogy Resource (Lindel's Site) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegal/ Donegaleire Genealogy Links & Data http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ Bob's Donegal Ireland Genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hiflyte/ Today's Topics: 1. NEW - NEW Donegaleire Research Names Amended (Joe Scott) 2. Hamilton - Drumholm (Betty Ashley) 3. Re: Filling a gap (S. B. Mason) 4. Re: Filling a gap (Jack Devitt) 5. Re: Hamilton - Drumholm (Jack Devitt) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 10:20:40 -0600 From: "Joe Scott" <ejscott2@cebridge.net> Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] NEW - NEW Donegaleire Research Names Amended To: <DONEGALEIRE@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <91CECF693B08476E9F43729CFE445387@ScottPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ejscott2@cebridge.net,Donegal,Donegal,ScottWilliam,u/k,James,Charles,Frank,G eorge,Jane,William,Mary ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 10:56:37 -0800 From: "Betty Ashley" <ashleybvm@netptc.net> Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] Hamilton - Drumholm To: <Donegaleire-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <808800530703468BA1279D28B4A11799@thcookie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I hesitate to mention my vague Hamilton connection in Drumholm. Maybe it will profit someone. Our pioneer ancestors were Andrew Spence born about 1785 from Killymard, (died Norwood Ontario 1850) married Mary Griffith born 1792 Ballinakillew, Donegal, died Stanton NE. >From the names of the children Lettie Morrow said that she felt sure that Andrew Spence was the child of one WILLIAM SPENCE born about 1749 (died 14 June 1791 Carrickbreeny) and BARBARA HAMILTON (died 12 Apr 1786 Carrickbreeny). If this theory is true, Barbara must have died at the time of Andrew's birth. And perhaps he was cared for by Spence relatives in Killymard, making that his home townland. Some of the children named by the descendant in Canada did not come to America. Whether they died or just remained there, we do not know. WILLIAM SPENCE baptized 25 Mar 1821 and BARBARA SPENCE baptized 21 Apr 1824 Drumholm were the only ones named who did not come. The place in the family of JOHN (born about 1818) is not known. The oldest child to come to Canada that year of 1840 was this JOHN SPENCE who had just married JANE STRONG b. 1820 Aghadowey. The following are the notes for the elder William Spence and Barbara Hamilton which make sense to me. I've tried to run it by folks in Ireland, but have come up with no agreement. Drumhome Parish church records and personal input from Lettie Morrow, Church Registrar, 1987. See notes for wife, Barbara Hamilton Spence. Until we saw the Drumholm records and consulted with Lettie we had no clue about parentage of our Andrew Spence who came to Ontario Canada in 1840. !DEATH: Recorded as Barbara Spence (Hamilton) in Sylvia Arkison's Drumholm Graveyard Handbook. !DRUMHOLM RECORDS: Lettie Morrow, record keeper of Drumhome registers, sent this letter to us after our trip to Ballintra in September, 1987. Because there were several Andrew Spences recorded in the registers, born around 1790, we were completely confused. Here is a transcription of her letter stating her take on our Spence family. Our family records go back in Canada concern ANDREW & MARY GRIFFITH SPENCE who came from Ballintra in 1840. BARBARA SPENCE Carrickbreeny wife of WILLIAM SPENCE buried 12th April 1786 WILLIAM SPENCE Carrickbreeny buried 14th June 1791, children: HUGH SPENCE Carrickbreeny (F) WILLIAM SPENCE, married 25th Jan 1798 JANE HARRON - - (F) ANDREW HARRON, children: WILLIAM bapt 3rd March 1799, HAMILTON - 23 rd May 1801, ANDREW - 2nd Nov 1803 WILLIAM HARRON Carrick West (F) ANDREW HARRON, married JANE SPENCE Carrickbreeny (F) WILLIAM SPENCE married 30th June 1791, children: BARBARA bapt 14 Aug 1792, JANE - 23 Aug 1795, ISABELLA - 12th June 1798, MARY- 14th April 1801, WILLIAM - 4th Jan 1804 GEORGE SANDERSON Ballydermott (F) JAMES SANDERSON, MARGARET SPENCE Carrickbreeny (F) WILLIAM SPENCE, married 22nd Jan 1788, children: JAMES bapt 9th 1788, WILLIAM - 12th May 1790, BARBARA - 17th Nov 1793, JOSEPH - 15 May 1796, JANE - 16th Sept 1798, GEORGE - 28th March 1801 MARGARET SPENCE wife of GEORGE SANDERSON Ballydermott buried 11th Jan 1803 GEORGE SANDERSON Ballydermott buried 4th Nov 1811 ANDREW SPENCE **Parish of Killymard* married 9th Oct 1816 MARY GRIFFITH Parish of Drumholm, children: JOHN - (Lettie did not indicate date of birth or baptism) WILLIAM bapt 25th March 1821, BARBARA - 21st April 1824, HAMILTON - 16th Jan 1826, JAMES - 7th Dec 1828, SAMUEL - 20th Nov 1831, MARY - 3rd Aug 1834, ANDREW - 16th July 1837, JANE - June 1838 (Lettie's Remarks) William & Barbara Spence Carrickbreeny would be the father and mother of Hugh, James, Margaret, & Andrew as they have all got William & Barbara in their family's Hugh & Andrew have Hamilton their mother's maiden name The only conclusion I come to is that Andrew could be working in Killymard and then came back & married Mary Griffith and bought a farm in Knockbane (we will never know) I asked Canon Stewart if I could see the Killymard Church records. he told me that the old records were sent to Dublin and were all destroyed the ones he has got only go back as far as 1870 I went through all the burials in our books only got the ones I have listed In those times children were called for their grandparents so I hope this makes sense to you. Carrickbreeny is not far from where I live and close to Knockbane. Betty Ashley, Tollhouse CA Spence Family. Any discussion will be greatly appreciated. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:24:58 -0700 From: "S. B. Mason" <sbmasonaz@cox.net> Subject: Re: [DONEGALEIRE] Filling a gap To: donegaleire@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <7D5A3F07-677F-4323-8A65-D48724CDD6D6@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 05:01:12 +0700 > From: "Jack Devitt" <7jj9800231@tttmaxnet.com> > Subject: Re: [DONEGALEIRE] Filling a gap > To: "Joe H." <donwin4@yahoo.com>, <DONEGALEIRE@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <9720516E77BA4357B6D6C2D39C03664A@nzn158729372c9> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > ... > As Bob said, the parish and townland is critical, as is > religion. Mine > were Protestants, but the Hamiltons to the north around Strabane, > Tyrone and > across the river into Donegal started out as Catholic, and all from > Scotland. ... > Good luck! > Jack Devitt > Thailand Just wanted to make a quick response to this portion of Jack's message: The Archdeaconry of Raphoe was held 98 years consecutively by person of the name of HAMILTON, by: James Hamilton 1675-90, Andrew Hamilton 1690-1754, John Hamilton 1754-57, Frederick Hamilton 1757-72. These were NOT Catholic but, rather, were Church of Ireland. James' father, Andrew, was also a Church of Ireland pastor in Donegal and Tyrone. I don't know Andrew's birthplace (1613-aft 1680) but James was born at Mountgavelin (Co. Donegal) in 1638. Sara Bradley Mason ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 06:22:53 +0700 From: "Jack Devitt" <7jj9800231@tttmaxnet.com> Subject: Re: [DONEGALEIRE] Filling a gap To: "S. B. Mason" <sbmasonaz@cox.net>, <donegaleire@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <6DE967056B484D6B9D64A337362193BF@nzn158729372c9> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Right you are on the Church of Ireland Hamiltons; however, I just wanted to point out that the Dukes of Abercorn, who had the extensive Abercorn estates, were Hamilton and Catholic, so there are both to be found in the county. Jack Thailand ----- Original Message ----- From: "S. B. Mason" <sbmasonaz@cox.net> To: <donegaleire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 4:24 AM Subject: Re: [DONEGALEIRE] Filling a gap >> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 05:01:12 +0700 >> From: "Jack Devitt" <7jj9800231@tttmaxnet.com> >> Subject: Re: [DONEGALEIRE] Filling a gap >> To: "Joe H." <donwin4@yahoo.com>, <DONEGALEIRE@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <9720516E77BA4357B6D6C2D39C03664A@nzn158729372c9> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> ... > >> As Bob said, the parish and townland is critical, as is >> religion. Mine >> were Protestants, but the Hamiltons to the north around Strabane, >> Tyrone and >> across the river into Donegal started out as Catholic, and all from >> Scotland. > ... >> Good luck! >> Jack Devitt >> Thailand > > Just wanted to make a quick response to this portion of Jack's > message: The Archdeaconry of Raphoe was held 98 years consecutively by > person of the name of HAMILTON, by: James Hamilton 1675-90, Andrew > Hamilton 1690-1754, John Hamilton 1754-57, Frederick Hamilton 1757-72. > These were NOT Catholic but, rather, were Church of Ireland. James' > father, Andrew, was also a Church of Ireland pastor in Donegal and > Tyrone. I don't know Andrew's birthplace (1613-aft 1680) but James was > born at Mountgavelin (Co. Donegal) in 1638. > > Sara Bradley Mason ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 10:39:42 +0700 From: "Jack Devitt" <7jj9800231@tttmaxnet.com> Subject: Re: [DONEGALEIRE] Hamilton - Drumholm To: "Betty Ashley" <ashleybvm@netptc.net>, <Donegaleire-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <E54A2B1E96564BDFBC5AAFDC335459B2@nzn158729372c9> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Betty, I have tried unsuccessfully to connect my Killybegs/Glencolumbkille Hamiltons to those further south around Drumhome and Pettigo and also have Sylvia's excellent Drumhome graveyard book. Also, incidentally, was in Donegal in 1987 snooping for family, although further west than you! Jane Strong's name stood out to me, as I have a fair bit of info on the Strongs from trying to unravel an early Devitt/Strong marriage in Templecarne Parish. There is much info online from Dave Strong's websites relating to these Strongs. Looking through my data, I see that your Jane Strong of Aghadowey married John Spence of Knockbane at Drumhome Church of Ireland March 26, 1840, witnesses James Strong and Hugh (transcribed Sting--I presume Strong), minister George Griffith. Fathers of both bride and groom not noted. Oddly, 20 years later, in 1860, there is another Jane Strong of Aghadowey married to John Ingram for which the fathers are noted, and James Strong was also a witness, but don't know if this connected to yours or not. I also note births for Jane Strong of Drumhome Parish July 1, 1821, parents George Strong and Mary Harron, and also, a Jane Strong of Drumhome Parish April 20, 1834, parents Hugh Strong of Aghadowey and Margaret nee?, so perhaps this explains the two marriages above. Whoops, I just looked at the Jane m. John Ingram, and her father is listed as William, not Hugh. Hugh's Jane was married at Killymard in 1858 to William Wray! Jane was a popular name with the family! You may already have this detail, but thought I would pass it on in case you did not. Jack Thailand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Ashley" <ashleybvm@netptc.net> To: <Donegaleire-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 1:56 AM Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] Hamilton - Drumholm >I hesitate to mention my vague Hamilton connection in Drumholm. Maybe it > will profit someone. Our pioneer ancestors were Andrew Spence born about > 1785 from Killymard, (died Norwood Ontario 1850) married Mary Griffith > born > 1792 Ballinakillew, Donegal, died Stanton NE. > >>From the names of the children Lettie Morrow said that she felt sure that > Andrew Spence was the child of one WILLIAM SPENCE born about 1749 (died 14 > June 1791 Carrickbreeny) and BARBARA HAMILTON (died 12 Apr 1786 > Carrickbreeny). If this theory is true, Barbara must have died at the > time > of Andrew's birth. And perhaps he was cared for by Spence relatives in > Killymard, making that his home townland. > > Some of the children named by the descendant in Canada did not come to > America. Whether they died or just remained there, we do not know. > WILLIAM > SPENCE baptized 25 Mar 1821 and BARBARA SPENCE baptized 21 Apr 1824 > Drumholm were the only ones named who did not come. The place in the > family > of JOHN (born about 1818) is not known. > > The oldest child to come to Canada that year of 1840 was this JOHN SPENCE > who had just married JANE STRONG b. 1820 Aghadowey. > ------------------------------ To contact the DONEGALEIRE list administrator, send an email to DONEGALEIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. 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