If anyone is interested in the Spence DNA project, you can see the results on line, click below. Our guy is the Andrew born about 1786 which matches a Jacob (both born Ireland), purple group. (Another man who used a different tester) also matches these two, but his test is not incorporated on FT's page. http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Spence/default.aspx?section=yresults If anyone is interested in my take on the whole enchilada at this point (descendants whose ancestors lived in Killymard) I'll get it together. Betty Ashley Betty Ashley