I hesitate to mention my vague Hamilton connection in Drumholm. Maybe it will profit someone. Our pioneer ancestors were Andrew Spence born about 1785 from Killymard, (died Norwood Ontario 1850) married Mary Griffith born 1792 Ballinakillew, Donegal, died Stanton NE. >From the names of the children Lettie Morrow said that she felt sure that Andrew Spence was the child of one WILLIAM SPENCE born about 1749 (died 14 June 1791 Carrickbreeny) and BARBARA HAMILTON (died 12 Apr 1786 Carrickbreeny). If this theory is true, Barbara must have died at the time of Andrew's birth. And perhaps he was cared for by Spence relatives in Killymard, making that his home townland. Some of the children named by the descendant in Canada did not come to America. Whether they died or just remained there, we do not know. WILLIAM SPENCE baptized 25 Mar 1821 and BARBARA SPENCE baptized 21 Apr 1824 Drumholm were the only ones named who did not come. The place in the family of JOHN (born about 1818) is not known. The oldest child to come to Canada that year of 1840 was this JOHN SPENCE who had just married JANE STRONG b. 1820 Aghadowey. The following are the notes for the elder William Spence and Barbara Hamilton which make sense to me. I've tried to run it by folks in Ireland, but have come up with no agreement. Drumhome Parish church records and personal input from Lettie Morrow, Church Registrar, 1987. See notes for wife, Barbara Hamilton Spence. Until we saw the Drumholm records and consulted with Lettie we had no clue about parentage of our Andrew Spence who came to Ontario Canada in 1840. !DEATH: Recorded as Barbara Spence (Hamilton) in Sylvia Arkison's Drumholm Graveyard Handbook. !DRUMHOLM RECORDS: Lettie Morrow, record keeper of Drumhome registers, sent this letter to us after our trip to Ballintra in September, 1987. Because there were several Andrew Spences recorded in the registers, born around 1790, we were completely confused. Here is a transcription of her letter stating her take on our Spence family. Our family records go back in Canada concern ANDREW & MARY GRIFFITH SPENCE who came from Ballintra in 1840. BARBARA SPENCE Carrickbreeny wife of WILLIAM SPENCE buried 12th April 1786 WILLIAM SPENCE Carrickbreeny buried 14th June 1791, children: HUGH SPENCE Carrickbreeny (F) WILLIAM SPENCE, married 25th Jan 1798 JANE HARRON - - (F) ANDREW HARRON, children: WILLIAM bapt 3rd March 1799, HAMILTON - 23 rd May 1801, ANDREW - 2nd Nov 1803 WILLIAM HARRON Carrick West (F) ANDREW HARRON, married JANE SPENCE Carrickbreeny (F) WILLIAM SPENCE married 30th June 1791, children: BARBARA bapt 14 Aug 1792, JANE - 23 Aug 1795, ISABELLA - 12th June 1798, MARY- 14th April 1801, WILLIAM - 4th Jan 1804 GEORGE SANDERSON Ballydermott (F) JAMES SANDERSON, MARGARET SPENCE Carrickbreeny (F) WILLIAM SPENCE, married 22nd Jan 1788, children: JAMES bapt 9th 1788, WILLIAM - 12th May 1790, BARBARA - 17th Nov 1793, JOSEPH - 15 May 1796, JANE - 16th Sept 1798, GEORGE - 28th March 1801 MARGARET SPENCE wife of GEORGE SANDERSON Ballydermott buried 11th Jan 1803 GEORGE SANDERSON Ballydermott buried 4th Nov 1811 ANDREW SPENCE **Parish of Killymard* married 9th Oct 1816 MARY GRIFFITH Parish of Drumholm, children: JOHN - (Lettie did not indicate date of birth or baptism) WILLIAM bapt 25th March 1821, BARBARA - 21st April 1824, HAMILTON - 16th Jan 1826, JAMES - 7th Dec 1828, SAMUEL - 20th Nov 1831, MARY - 3rd Aug 1834, ANDREW - 16th July 1837, JANE - June 1838 (Lettie's Remarks) William & Barbara Spence Carrickbreeny would be the father and mother of Hugh, James, Margaret, & Andrew as they have all got William & Barbara in their family's Hugh & Andrew have Hamilton their mother's maiden name The only conclusion I come to is that Andrew could be working in Killymard and then came back & married Mary Griffith and bought a farm in Knockbane (we will never know) I asked Canon Stewart if I could see the Killymard Church records. he told me that the old records were sent to Dublin and were all destroyed the ones he has got only go back as far as 1870 I went through all the burials in our books only got the ones I have listed In those times children were called for their grandparents so I hope this makes sense to you. Carrickbreeny is not far from where I live and close to Knockbane. Betty Ashley, Tollhouse CA Spence Family. Any discussion will be greatly appreciated.

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Hello I have a friend who is looking for a nice B&B in Leat Begs area and Letterkenny area. He will be arriving in Ireland in April to do some family research. Janice

Joe, I am one of those on Bob's list also searching for Donegal Hamiltons, and agree with all his comments, and then some regarding the difficulties of sorting them out. They came to Donegal and other Ulster counties in the 1600's and seemed to have proliferated immensely. I have been searching for details on the family of my GG Grandmother Margaret (Peggy) Hamilton, married to William Devitt in Killybegs Upper parish around 1839, and died 1847 after three children, Frederick, William, and Margaret. She is buried in old St. Catherine's graveyard at Killybegs. She first married William Stephenson, a Revenue Policeman stationed in Killybegs, in 1822 and they had two children. He was killed when his horse "fell off a cliff with him on it". She is said to have been the daughter of Andrew Hamilton of Malinmore, Glencolumbkille Parish, whose family intermarried with the Greenlaws, perhaps of both Malinmore and Killybegs. Her brother is known to have been James Hamilton, captain of the brigantine "Blanch of Donegal", which is known to have made crossings to St. Johns, NB, Canada, and Quebec City. Have never been able to find particulars on James, as the name is so common. Margaret is also said to have had at least a couple of sisters, details unknown. Been searching for +30 years, and, even with the above, which I started with from family records, have not been able to connect her with any of the numerous Hamilton families in the area. As Bob said, the parish and townland is critical, as is religion. Mine were Protestants, but the Hamiltons to the north around Strabane, Tyrone and across the river into Donegal started out as Catholic, and all from Scotland. Records are sparse in the first half of the 1800's, but, if yours are connected to one of the larger and prosperous (perhaps half a dozen in Donegal) family groups, there is info available in the way of estate records and even a few published books. Good luck! Jack Devitt Thailand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe H." <donwin4@yahoo.com> To: <DONEGALEIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 11:19 PM Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] Filling a gap >I have traced my family (Hamilton) back to to the 1830's in Donegal, >Ireland > Joseph d:27 Apr 1863 his son James, b:1830, d:1903 > Joseph had two brothers : David, d: 18 Jan 1865 & James, d:11 Nov 1861, > also > sister Catherine, d: 29 Oct 1859 > > I haven't been able find out much beyond that. A family member (who?) > once > claimed there was a connection to the James Hamilton that was part of the > Ulster Plantation along with Hugh Montgomery in the early 1700's How would > I go > about attempting to fill that gap. Any and all help appreciated. Joseph > Hamilton >

I am trying to connect with the subsciber who is researching Hamiltons of Killybegs Donegal but my mail is returned unknown address, can he please contact me ? i have _7ii9800231@ttmaxnet.com_ (mailto:7ii9800231@ttmaxnet.com) J McPherson

Joe, Do you know in what area of Donegal they lived, died? Do you know the maiden names of the mothers/wives from Ireland? Civil Registration started in 1864 for Ireland. Marriages for Non Catholics, meaning CofI and some others in 1845. Therefore any (if they registered them) BMD after 1864 should be in the Registers for Ireland. The surname Hamilton is very common and will present some problems without knowing the Parish. The best place to start is always in your backyard and check the BMD data of all those who immigrated. These docs may give up a place of birth (other than Donegal Ireland), the local marriage certs may give the names of the father and mother in Ireland. Familysearch website pages: (tinyURLs) Bapt, Deaths, Marriages and Civil Registration http://tinyurl.com/4f3weza Did they die in Ireland, where they married in Ireland. Did a check for the death of David since it was in 1865 but unable to come up with a hit. I would visit my local FHC and review the Index films for your people. There are many Hamiltons in Donegal during the GV recording period so we need a Parish/Townland. but only one Joesph Hamilton shows up in Donegal http://tinyurl.com/6xxk2p3 Hamilton, Joesph Donegal Drumhome Village of Laghy If you check the RootsIreland.ie Donegal site you will get hits on some names that match the dates eg. James Hamilton 1830: 10 Bapt/Birth matches but only one with father Joesph 1830 ±2 yrs. Church Baptism Hamilton James 1829 Co. Donegal http://donegal.rootsireland.ie/quis.php?page=0&prevStartQuery=0 You will have to register to use the account, Free to Search, Pay to View the actual images and it is not cheap. The search can get you in the ball park. There is another person on our list looking for Hamiltons in Donegal, download the db at the following URL http://tinyurl.com/5h3k83 Instructions are listed on the page --Red Box and instructions just below the Red Box. Lots of luck Have a great day Bob CDN ========================= On 15/02/2011 9:19 AM, Joe H. wrote: > I have traced my family (Hamilton) back to to the 1830's in Donegal, Ireland > Joseph d:27 Apr 1863 his son James, b:1830, d:1903 > Joseph had two brothers : David, d: 18 Jan 1865& James, d:11 Nov 1861, also > sister Catherine, d: 29 Oct 1859

I have traced my family (Hamilton) back to to the 1830's in Donegal, Ireland Joseph d:27 Apr 1863 his son James, b:1830, d:1903 Joseph had two brothers : David, d: 18 Jan 1865 & James, d:11 Nov 1861, also sister Catherine, d: 29 Oct 1859 I haven't been able find out much beyond that. A family member (who?) once claimed there was a connection to the James Hamilton that was part of the Ulster Plantation along with Hugh Montgomery in the early 1700's How would I go about attempting to fill that gap. Any and all help appreciated. Joseph Hamilton ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail

Not sure of minimum age, but will look later. The land holdings/rent/etc where probably in the name of the parent or grdparent. Remember most have the same name sequence as their grd parents or parents. Each branch just carry on the given name pattern. No wonder we can't find them. Counties Date of completion of survey GV completion dates for Ireland. Carlow 28 June 1853 Cork 20 July 1853 Dublin 9 July 1853 Kerry 19 July 1853 Kilkenny 8 July 1853 Kilkenny City 8 July 1853 Limerick 29 June 1853 Limerick City 29 June 1853 Queen's County 28 June 1853 Tipperary 29 June 1853 Waterford 5 July 1863 Waterford Borough 5 July 1863 Dublin City 31 Oct 1854 Kildare 18 July 1854 Wexford 7 July 1854 Wicklow 4 July 1854 King's County 2 July 1855 Longford 6 July 1855 Louth 5 July 1855 Drogheda Borough 6 July 1855 Meath 10 July 1855 Westmeath 5 July 1855 Clare 3 July 1856 Galway Town 14 July 1856 Cavan 25 June 1857 Galway 29 June 1857 Leitrim 6 July 1857 Mayo 13 July 1857 Donegal 6 July 1858 Roscommon 1 July 1858 Sligo 7 July 1858 Londonderry 16 July 1859 Tyrone 13 July 1860 Monaghan 1 July 1861 Antrim 10 July 1862 Carrickfergus 10 July 1862 Fermanagh 4 July 1864 Down 12 July 1864 Armagh 1 June 1865 Bob CDN ======================== On 14/02/2011 9:56 AM, Hugh Callahan wrote:<SNIP>..Does anyone know if there was a minimum age that a person must have attained in order to hold land and be listed in Griffith's Valuation?... =====================

Does anyone know if there was a minimum age that a person must have attained in order to hold land and be listed in Griffith's Valuation? The problem I am observing is that several of my family members are listed in GV (Parish of Donegal/ Tawnawully), but they would have been too young in 1857 to hold land (I think). Or could there be a problem with the dates of the GV records? Could they be from a year other than 1857, let's say, 1868, when the persons in question would have been of "full age"? Has anyone else encountered this issue? Hugh P. Callahan

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