Latest update 28 April 2011 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hiflyte/WhatsNew/New.html Bob CDN ======================= PICKUP THE Latest COPY OF THE DATABASE: You can pick up the latest Donegal Researchers List at: (Red Box). http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hiflyte/WhatsNew/New.html or http://hiflyte.22web.net/WhatsNew/New.html Just click the box (Red Box)and follow the instructions. ----------------------- How To Submit Your Research Information to the Database The actual database is a READ ONLY file, you can not directly update the data in it. Submit your data "as per the instructions" via the Donegaleire mailing list EASIEST WAY TO INPUT your research names and data. Open a New Email Address it to: DONEGALEIRE@rootsweb.com Subject Line: New Donegal Researchers Names Copy and Paste the following line of data into the body of your BLANK email, all in one line Your Email Address,PLU,Civil Parish,Townland,Surname and Given,Maiden Name and Given,Child,Child,Child,Child ---- up to 10 kids. Now insert your data BETWEEN the COMMAS No spaces after the commas - other than a space between the Surname/Maiden and Given name. No other details, No dates, no nick names etc. If you DON"T know the information enter "u/k" without the quotes One email for each entry. Email to the Donegal Mailing List -------------------------------------------------- INTERESTED IN IRISH GENEALOGY: Visit Bob's Genealogy Website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hiflyte/ Visit: Donegal Genealogy Resources http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/ Visit: Queenscastle http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegaleire/ Visit IGPA's Website: http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives -------------

That information most likely comes from the house / field books that were used when gathering the information that went into the primary valuation. They're available through the LDS FHC - Films 2436761 and 2436762 for Donegal. Michael On 26 April 2011 01:43, Robert Sutherland <rsuther@comcast.net> wrote: > Thank you Michael, Lindel, Bob, Boyd and Ray. > > I have downloaded and read the pdf that explains Griffith's. Now I know > what "Office" means! I realize that reading may not be the correct word > to use -- studying the document might be more appropriate. > > The recent postings about maps on this list rekindled my desire to > locate that piece of land in Donegal once occupied by ancestors. > > Long ago, in my own narrative of my Sutherland line I wrote > > 'An 1829 list of landholders of Redford-Glebe shows slightly more than > 14 acres belonging to "Widow Kearney & Michael Sutherland".' > > This information is consistent with the information found on Lindel's page > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/cloncatab.htm > <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Edonegal/cloncatab.htm> > > My information came from the late Brian Bonner, a writer and local > historian who published several articles in the Journal of the County > Donegal Historical Society. He sent me an unpublished (at least as of > the time he sent it) manuscript titled "Redford -- Glebe: The Story of > an Ulster Townland". The information came from a table in the manuscript > (manually typed, not scanned and pasted). > > There is another table in the manuscript in which Brian referenced > Griffith's. The table heading reads "The land occupiers and residents in > 1857 were:" Under the column headed "Observations" Brian wrote > "Dwellinghouse and offices. Unoccupied. Former tenant Sutherland." Later > in the manuscript is written "The farm occupied by Sutherland was later > amalgamated with that given to John McLaughlin." > > When I search Griffith's/Donegal/Inishowen for Sutherland there are no > hits. However I can view the listing for Redford Glebe and see > "Unoccupied" just beneath the name "John McLaughlin". So I am seeing > this latest activity as a success: I have located a place that was > probably occupied at one time by my ancestor -- and for that I thank > each of you who has helped in this quest. However, I say "probably" > because I am still uneasy about Brian's statement "Former tenant > Sutherland". Where did that little piece of information come from? It's > not in Griffith's. > > So my final question: does anyone know of another source where Brian may > have seen or concluded "Former tenant Sutherland"? > > Thanks again for the prod to get me going and the answers and directions > you provided. > > Bob Sutherland

Thank you Michael, Lindel, Bob, Boyd and Ray. I have downloaded and read the pdf that explains Griffith's. Now I know what "Office" means! I realize that reading may not be the correct word to use -- studying the document might be more appropriate. The recent postings about maps on this list rekindled my desire to locate that piece of land in Donegal once occupied by ancestors. Long ago, in my own narrative of my Sutherland line I wrote 'An 1829 list of landholders of Redford-Glebe shows slightly more than 14 acres belonging to "Widow Kearney & Michael Sutherland".' This information is consistent with the information found on Lindel's page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/cloncatab.htm <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Edonegal/cloncatab.htm> My information came from the late Brian Bonner, a writer and local historian who published several articles in the Journal of the County Donegal Historical Society. He sent me an unpublished (at least as of the time he sent it) manuscript titled "Redford -- Glebe: The Story of an Ulster Townland". The information came from a table in the manuscript (manually typed, not scanned and pasted). There is another table in the manuscript in which Brian referenced Griffith's. The table heading reads "The land occupiers and residents in 1857 were:" Under the column headed "Observations" Brian wrote "Dwellinghouse and offices. Unoccupied. Former tenant Sutherland." Later in the manuscript is written "The farm occupied by Sutherland was later amalgamated with that given to John McLaughlin." When I search Griffith's/Donegal/Inishowen for Sutherland there are no hits. However I can view the listing for Redford Glebe and see "Unoccupied" just beneath the name "John McLaughlin". So I am seeing this latest activity as a success: I have located a place that was probably occupied at one time by my ancestor -- and for that I thank each of you who has helped in this quest. However, I say "probably" because I am still uneasy about Brian's statement "Former tenant Sutherland". Where did that little piece of information come from? It's not in Griffith's. So my final question: does anyone know of another source where Brian may have seen or concluded "Former tenant Sutherland"? Thanks again for the prod to get me going and the answers and directions you provided. Bob Sutherland

Hello Robert & others. I am doing this on the run, so apologies if this aspect has already been covered by someone in reply to Robert. To REALLY understand how to read and interpret the Griffiths maps, you need to absorb the information at this link: http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/GRIFFITH/Griffiths.PDF (If I recall correctly, Boyd GRAY provides the URL/link to this document in his wonderful little free online Donegal genealogy booklet, so if you have read that booklet and worked through it, then this information will most probably be superfluous -- in which case I apologise for clogging up the list with another posting.) ray in oz ----- Original Message ----- From: <boydgray26@utvinternet.com> > Robert, > > The only numbers I can see on those 6 inch maps, apart from the ARPs, are > spot heights. Usually three figures but falling to two at the coast. I > can > see no other numbers. > > Also, although the maps may have been produced in 1837 to 1842, you must > realise that the Ordnance Survey work began in 1822 (at Magilligan Point > just across Lough Foyle in County Derry. It took them almost two decades, > using spot heights, to go all round Ireland and come back to Magilligan > Point, where, I believe they were less than an inch out. It was at a > later > stage that they then married the data they had collected in the Field, > House > and Quarto Books to the OS maps they had produced and started adding the > plots and the red lettering and working out who owed what. Red numbers > and > upper case letters referring to plots, red lower case letters referring to > houses. > > Now, Lindel mentioned the GVRBs (revision books) which take you up to > 1930, > with name changes indicating possible deaths and relationships, but, if > you > can find House Books for your area, these will have data relating to that > key missing period between the TABs and the GV, and again with name > changes. > They are on the LDS site so you can order the films. Have a look. Not > many > people know this. They are not for the inexperienced. But they can have > very valuable information. Land Books and Quarto Books are less useful. > Boyd Gray -----Original Message----- > From: donegaleire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:donegaleire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robert Sutherland ... Unfortunately I am still puzzled by the numbers I referred to as well as a > new set of numbers I found. Please let me try to explain. > > The map I mentioned in my earlier post is on the OSi website. One of the > pages on that site says that the 6 inch refer to the years 1837 -- 1842. > So those maps are too early for Griffith's. I completely agree that the > numbers must somehow relate to the tenant or owner of a particular piece > of > land. So I am still searching for a source that connects the numbers and a > name. > > My new set of numbers are related to Griffith's. When I looked at > Griffith's > maps at griffiths.askaboutireland.ie I can see red outlines of parcels of > land and, within each parcel, red numbers (as well as some red lower case > letters). These red numbers are not the same as the numbers on the OSi > map. > As with the OSi maps, I assume that these red numbers can be connected to > the name of the tenant or owner. So I ask the same question: is there a > source that shows such a connection? ... Bob Sutherland

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Bob, If you send for one, it is even more difficult to see the colours on a black and white LDS film! However, after a while using them, it becomes surprisingly easy to identify the handwriting and the width of pen strokes, so that you can quite easily tell which revision, which usually indicates a change of tenancy (one name scored out, another written above), is associated with which date in the right hand margin of the book. Thank goodness they did not have computers back then or the revisions would have disappeared under the "delete" button! Boyd Gray http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ http://preview.tinyurl.com/yk7gckr -----Original Message----- From: donegaleire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donegaleire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of hiflyte Sent: 23 April 2011 02:25 To: donegaleire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DONEGALEIRE] Fwd Revision - Cancellation Books For those who do not know what the Revision/Cancellation Books look like you can view those related to the following Townlands in Donegal Beefpark Scrawhill The Glen Mountcharles Town URL: Valuation - Cancellation Data (Cancellation Books) Part way down the page http://tinyurl.com/44brbwh or http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hiflyte/iredata/iredata.ht m Click on the link that is of interest, - in the Right Hand Column "Link" and the revision page will pop up. Normally each year that a revision is insert is in a different colour. It is a bit difficult to see the colours in the images on the website. Bob CDN http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hiflyte/ SNIP

Hi I had order the original Cancellation Books and had ask for the years that my surname was entered for each year for the area they were living. What a wonderful surprise I got. I was able to figure out several relatives marriage & death dates. In the comment area to the far right (in colored ink) there are dates written it. In most cases they are dates that the person no longer rented the land. For me the dates represented death, immigration and marriages dates. With these dates I was able to order the document I need, cause I had a date that was an "about date". My Maggie Friel took over the land due to the death of her father, then when her name changed due to marriage in one of the years she was listed as Maggie Hammond. I knew at least she had married someone name Hammond. Later I found out it was Johnny Hammond. In later years, someone else took over Maggie's land and when the new name was entered there on the far right comment area was a date. I then sent for her death record using that date. To my surprise the death certification was found and now I have that, too. So I believe for me these records are the biggest help I have found in my Donegal research. I gave those Cancellation records to Lindel and Bob hoping to help anyone in those townlands I had collected. I would ask anyone who does order these records to also send them to Lindel & Bob and maybe someday there will be cancellation records for all townlands. Now that would be a great asset to research. Janice Bob, If you send for one, it is even more difficult to see the colours on a black and white LDS film! However, after a while using them, it becomes surprisingly easy to identify the handwriting and the width of pen strokes, so that you can quite easily tell which revision, which usually indicates a change of tenancy (one name scored out, another written above), is associated with which date in the right hand margin of the book. Thank goodness they did not have computers back then or the revisions would have disappeared under the "delete" button! Boyd Gray http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ http://preview.tinyurl.com/yk7gckr

Hi Robert. Those numbers you can see, that you describe as being apparently located in radom places on the map, are the numbers given to each plot of land, occupied by landholders (tenants) - they refer to the 1857 Griffith's Valuation. The Griffith's Valuation details the plots, the landholders, the landlord, a description of the property held (house, outbuildings land) and the acreage, as well as the valuation. The later cancelled valuation books are a genealogy tool in that if you can locate an ancestor in the valuation, you can then trace the occupation of that plot through to the 1950s and beyond...........notes are made when a name change occurs, usually indicating the death or emigration of the landholder, and the name is usually replaced by a close relative as well. Hope that helps! All the best, Lindel On 23/04/2011 3:28 a.m., Robert Sutherland wrote: > Hi. > > I've been looking at the OSI map for the area around Culdaff, > specifically in or near Redford Glebe, using the Historic 6 inch option. > In this view I see small numbers located at apparently random places on > the map. (I am not referring to a triple labeled A R P, just single > numbers smaller than the ARP figures.) I have activated the Legend > option but that doesn't give information about those numbers. Does > anyone know what they refer to? > Thanks. > > Bob Sutherland >

Hi Nancy. They're both in the townland of Ardmalin, Clonca parish..............I have an old Ordnance Survey map online at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/ardmalingvmap.jpg which shows the locations of both. You'll find Slievebane to the top right of the map, near the old coastguard station. Go directly down from there and you will see the Malin Head National School - go directly down from there the same distance and you will see Carnmalin. Hope that helps! All the best, Lindel On 23/04/2011 2:21 a.m., Nancy wrote: > Hi all, > Can anyone tell me in which Civil Parish these townlands are found? I have > checked the 1851 Townland Index, townlands in poor law unions, and assorted > web sites but can't locate them. The district is Malin. > Nancy > > When replying to a digest post, quote only the specific text to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. > > TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY SUBJECT, GO TO THE THREADED ARCHIVES AT > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/DONEGALEIRE/ > > > TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY DATES AND SUBJECT GO TO THE SEARCHABLE ARCHIVES AT http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=DONEGALEIRE > > SOME HELPFUL WEBSITES: > Donegal Genealogy Resource (Lindel's Site) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegal/ > Donegaleire Genealogy Links& Data > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ > Bob's Donegal Ireland Genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hiflyte/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONEGALEIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Robert, The only numbers I can see on those 6 inch maps, apart from the ARPs, are spot heights. Usually three figures but falling to two at the coast. I can see no other numbers. Also, although the maps may have been produced in 1837 to 1842, you must realise that the Ordnance Survey work began in 1822 (at Magilligan Point just across Lough Foyle in County Derry. It took them almost two decades, using spot heights, to go all round Ireland and come back to Magilligan Point, where, I believe they were less than an inch out. It was at a later stage that they then married the data they had collected in the Field, House and Quarto Books to the OS maps they had produced and started adding the plots and the red lettering and working out who owed what. Red numbers and upper case letters referring to plots, red lower case letters referring to houses. Now, Lindel mentioned the GVRBs (revision books) which take you up to 1930, with name changes indicating possible deaths and relationships, but, if you can find House Books for your area, these will have data relating to that key missing period between the TABs and the GV, and again with name changes. They are on the LDS site so you can order the films. Have a look. Not many people know this. They are not for the inexperienced. But they can have very valuable information. Land Books and Quarto Books are less useful. Have I changed the subject? Boyd Gray http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ http://preview.tinyurl.com/yk7gckr -----Original Message----- From: donegaleire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donegaleire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robert Sutherland Sent: 22 April 2011 20:12 To: Donegal List Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Townlands in the 1834 Tithes Book Hi again and thanks for the reply. Unfortunately I am still puzzled by the numbers I referred to as well as a new set of numbers I found. Please let me try to explain. The map I mentioned in my earlier post is on the OSi website. One of the pages on that site says that the 6 inch refer to the years 1837 -- 1842. So those maps are too early for Griffith's. I completely agree that the numbers must somehow relate to the tenant or owner of a particular piece of land. So I am still searching for a source that connects the numbers and a name. My new set of numbers are related to Griffith's. When I looked at Griffith's maps at griffiths.askaboutireland.ie I can see red outlines of parcels of land and, within each parcel, red numbers (as well as some red lower case letters). These red numbers are not the same as the numbers on the OSi map. As with the OSi maps, I assume that these red numbers can be connected to the name of the tenant or owner. So I ask the same question: is there a source that shows such a connection? Too many numbers! Thanks. Bob Sutherland SNIP

For those who do not know what the Revision/Cancellation Books look like you can view those related to the following Townlands in Donegal Beefpark Scrawhill The Glen Mountcharles Town URL: Valuation - Cancellation Data (Cancellation Books) Part way down the page http://tinyurl.com/44brbwh or http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hiflyte/iredata/iredata.htm Click on the link that is of interest, - in the Right Hand Column "Link" and the revision page will pop up. Normally each year that a revision is insert is in a different colour. It is a bit difficult to see the colours in the images on the website. Bob CDN http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hiflyte/ ============

Hi Bob, They refer to Acres, Roods and Perches - the measure of area used in those days. The numbers refer to the amount of these. Michael On 22 April 2011 16:28, Robert Sutherland <rsuther@comcast.net> wrote: > Hi. > > I've been looking at the OSI map for the area around Culdaff, > specifically in or near Redford Glebe, using the Historic 6 inch option. > In this view I see small numbers located at apparently random places on > the map. (I am not referring to a triple labeled A R P, just single > numbers smaller than the ARP figures.) I have activated the Legend > option but that doesn't give information about those numbers. Does > anyone know what they refer to? > Thanks. > > Bob Sutherland > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject:        Re: [DONEGALEIRE] Townlands in the 1834 Tithes Book > Date:   Fri, 22 Apr 2011 13:48:32 +0100 >>From:  Michael Noone <michaelnoone@iol.ie> > To:     A George Deeney <ageorge.deeney@gmail.com> > CC:     donegaleire@rootsweb.com > > > > Hi George, > > They don't always match the later townlands, but have a look at > http://maps.osi.ie at the parish, and you might see something similar > to the names. A combination of that and using Google along with the > nearest town name, since the parish often bears no resemblance to > modern life, will often help too. Note that on the OSI site, you can > view the historic layers, so check those out too. And of course, > posting them here may help too, as I'm sure you're not the first to > struggle matching them :) > > Best of luck, > Michael > > On 22 April 2011 09:45, A George Deeney<ageorge.deeney@gmail.com>  wrote: >>  I am having difficulty in coordinating the townlands used in Clondavaddog >>  parish 1834 Tithe book with the townland names used in Griffiths.  Some are >>  easier to figure out than others.  I have looked at the map offered in >>  askaboutireland.com, but some I just cannot find.  Is there any book or >>  place on the internet that offers a coordination of these townland names. >> >>  George >>    When replying to a digest post, quote only the specific text to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. >> >>  TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY SUBJECT, GO TO THE THREADED ARCHIVES AT >>  http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/DONEGALEIRE/ >> >> >>  TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY DATES AND SUBJECT GO TO THE SEARCHABLE ARCHIVES AT http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=DONEGALEIRE >> >>  SOME HELPFUL WEBSITES: >>  Donegal Genealogy Resource (Lindel's Site) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegal/ >>  Donegaleire Genealogy Links&  Data >>  http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ >>  Bob's Donegal Ireland Genealogy >>  http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hiflyte/ >> >>  ------------------------------- >>  To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONEGALEIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > >  When replying to a digest post, quote only the specific text to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. > > TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY SUBJECT, GO TO THE THREADED ARCHIVES AT > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/DONEGALEIRE/ > > > TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY DATES AND SUBJECT GO TO THE SEARCHABLE ARCHIVES AT http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=DONEGALEIRE > > SOME HELPFUL WEBSITES: > Donegal Genealogy Resource (Lindel's Site) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegal/ > Donegaleire Genealogy Links&  Data > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ > Bob's Donegal Ireland Genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hiflyte/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONEGALEIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >  When replying to a digest post, quote only the specific text to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. > > TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY SUBJECT, GO TO THE THREADED ARCHIVES AT > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/DONEGALEIRE/ > > > TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY DATES AND SUBJECT GO TO THE SEARCHABLE ARCHIVES AT http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=DONEGALEIRE > > SOME HELPFUL WEBSITES: > Donegal Genealogy Resource (Lindel's Site) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegal/ > Donegaleire Genealogy Links & Data > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ > Bob's Donegal Ireland Genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hiflyte/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONEGALEIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Lindel wins yet again..... sighssssssssssss Boyd Gray http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ http://preview.tinyurl.com/yk7gckr -----Original Message----- From: donegaleire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donegaleire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lindel Sent: 22 April 2011 15:52 To: Nancy Cc: DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DONEGALEIRE] Slieveban and Carnmalin Hi Nancy. They're both in the townland of Ardmalin, Clonca parish..............I have an old Ordnance Survey map online at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/ardmalingvmap.jpg which shows the locations of both. You'll find Slievebane to the top right of the map, near the old coastguard station. Go directly down from there and you will see the Malin Head National School - go directly down from there the same distance and you will see Carnmalin. Hope that helps! All the best, Lindel SNIP

Hi Nancy, You must be doing the Farrens, same as me. They seem to be lurking in Slieveban and Carnmalin as well as the more usual Caramore and lots of others. Either that or the ubiquitous Dohertys! And I also too got stuck on these two places. Because they are NOT townlands. I have now found out that Slieveban is actually just a place in the townland of Ardmalin. And Ardmalin is in the Civil Parish of Clonca (Catholic Parish of Malin). You will see it here: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bhilchey/DonegalMain.html In order to find Slieveban, I had to look for it on the online maps and then overlap them to see what townland it is in now. Last might I stumbled across Carnmalin in the Civil Registry of Births when looking for Farrens and I can not find it either sooooo...... Back to those pesky maps! (But I bet it is very close by in the Parish of Clonca or maybe Culdaff.) Boyd Gray http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ http://preview.tinyurl.com/yk7gckr -----Original Message----- From: donegaleire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donegaleire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Sent: 22 April 2011 15:21 To: DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] Slieveban and Carnmalin Hi all, Can anyone tell me in which Civil Parish these townlands are found? I have checked the 1851 Townland Index, townlands in poor law unions, and assorted web sites but can't locate them. The district is Malin. Nancy SNIP

Bob, Go to my website and click on the following link to download the GV PDF http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hiflyte/links/links.htm Click on Griffith's Valuation Explained **(Leitrim -Roscommon website) part way down the page. or go to direct to: http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/GRIFFITH/Griffiths.PDF It will explain a lot of what GV is about. Bob CDN ===== On 22/04/2011 1:12 PM, Robert Sutherland wrote: > Hi again and thanks for the reply. > Unfortunately I am still puzzled by the numbers I referred to as well as > a new set of numbers I found. Please let me try to explain

Hi again and thanks for the reply. Unfortunately I am still puzzled by the numbers I referred to as well as a new set of numbers I found. Please let me try to explain. The map I mentioned in my earlier post is on the OSi website. One of the pages on that site says that the 6 inch refer to the years 1837 -- 1842. So those maps are too early for Griffith's. I completely agree that the numbers must somehow relate to the tenant or owner of a particular piece of land. So I am still searching for a source that connects the numbers and a name. My new set of numbers are related to Griffith's. When I looked at Griffith's maps at griffiths.askaboutireland.ie I can see red outlines of parcels of land and, within each parcel, red numbers (as well as some red lower case letters). These red numbers are not the same as the numbers on the OSi map. As with the OSi maps, I assume that these red numbers can be connected to the name of the tenant or owner. So I ask the same question: is there a source that shows such a connection? Too many numbers! Thanks. Bob Sutherland -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [DONEGALEIRE] Fwd: Re: Townlands in the 1834 Tithes Book Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 03:59:07 +1200 From: Lindel <lbuckle@ihug.co.nz> To: Robert Sutherland <rsuther@comcast.net> CC: Donegal List <DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Hi Robert. Those numbers you can see, that you describe as being apparently located in radom places on the map, are the numbers given to each plot of land, occupied by landholders (tenants) - they refer to the 1857 Griffith's Valuation. The Griffith's Valuation details the plots, the landholders, the landlord, a description of the property held (house, outbuildings land) and the acreage, as well as the valuation. The later cancelled valuation books are a genealogy tool in that if you can locate an ancestor in the valuation, you can then trace the occupation of that plot through to the 1950s and beyond...........notes are made when a name change occurs, usually indicating the death or emigration of the landholder, and the name is usually replaced by a close relative as well. Hope that helps! All the best, Lindel On 23/04/2011 3:28 a.m., Robert Sutherland wrote: > Hi. > > I've been looking at the OSI map for the area around Culdaff, > specifically in or near Redford Glebe, using the Historic 6 inch option. > In this view I see small numbers located at apparently random places on > the map. (I am not referring to a triple labeled A R P, just single > numbers smaller than the ARP figures.) I have activated the Legend > option but that doesn't give information about those numbers. Does > anyone know what they refer to? > Thanks. > > Bob Sutherland >

George, These maps are my constant companion when I am looking for places in Donegal: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bhilchey/DonegalMain.html And don't forget that the online GV has maps: http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml However, if neither of these helps to match up a name from the TABs to the GV or the modern maps which Michael posted, the post the recalcitrant townland on here and we will have a wee look at it and see if we can identify it. One other point, SOME townlands were split and some were amalgamated between the TABs and the GV, so you might not find a corresponding name and have to work out what the new townland is. Boyd Gray http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ http://preview.tinyurl.com/yk7gckr -----Original Message----- From: donegaleire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donegaleire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of A George Deeney Sent: 22 April 2011 09:46 To: donegaleire@rootsweb.com Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] Townlands in the 1834 Tithes Book I am having difficulty in coordinating the townlands used in Clondavaddog parish 1834 Tithe book with the townland names used in Griffiths. Some are easier to figure out than others. I have looked at the map offered in askaboutireland.com, but some I just cannot find. Is there any book or place on the internet that offers a coordination of these townland names. George SNIP

Hi George, They don't always match the later townlands, but have a look at http://maps.osi.ie at the parish, and you might see something similar to the names. A combination of that and using Google along with the nearest town name, since the parish often bears no resemblance to modern life, will often help too. Note that on the OSI site, you can view the historic layers, so check those out too. And of course, posting them here may help too, as I'm sure you're not the first to struggle matching them :) Best of luck, Michael On 22 April 2011 09:45, A George Deeney <ageorge.deeney@gmail.com> wrote: > I am having difficulty in coordinating the townlands used in Clondavaddog > parish 1834 Tithe book with the townland names used in Griffiths.  Some are > easier to figure out than others.  I have looked at the map offered in > askaboutireland.com, but some I just cannot find.  Is there any book or > place on the internet that offers a coordination of these townland names. > > George >  When replying to a digest post, quote only the specific text to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. > > TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY SUBJECT, GO TO THE THREADED ARCHIVES AT > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/DONEGALEIRE/ > > > TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY DATES AND SUBJECT GO TO THE SEARCHABLE ARCHIVES AT http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=DONEGALEIRE > > SOME HELPFUL WEBSITES: > Donegal Genealogy Resource (Lindel's Site) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegal/ > Donegaleire Genealogy Links & Data > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ > Bob's Donegal Ireland Genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hiflyte/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONEGALEIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi. I've been looking at the OSI map for the area around Culdaff, specifically in or near Redford Glebe, using the Historic 6 inch option. In this view I see small numbers located at apparently random places on the map. (I am not referring to a triple labeled A R P, just single numbers smaller than the ARP figures.) I have activated the Legend option but that doesn't give information about those numbers. Does anyone know what they refer to? Thanks. Bob Sutherland -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [DONEGALEIRE] Townlands in the 1834 Tithes Book Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 13:48:32 +0100 From: Michael Noone <michaelnoone@iol.ie> To: A George Deeney <ageorge.deeney@gmail.com> CC: donegaleire@rootsweb.com Hi George, They don't always match the later townlands, but have a look at http://maps.osi.ie at the parish, and you might see something similar to the names. A combination of that and using Google along with the nearest town name, since the parish often bears no resemblance to modern life, will often help too. Note that on the OSI site, you can view the historic layers, so check those out too. And of course, posting them here may help too, as I'm sure you're not the first to struggle matching them :) Best of luck, Michael On 22 April 2011 09:45, A George Deeney<ageorge.deeney@gmail.com> wrote: > I am having difficulty in coordinating the townlands used in Clondavaddog > parish 1834 Tithe book with the townland names used in Griffiths. Some are > easier to figure out than others. I have looked at the map offered in > askaboutireland.com, but some I just cannot find. Is there any book or > place on the internet that offers a coordination of these townland names. > > George > When replying to a digest post, quote only the specific text to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. > > TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY SUBJECT, GO TO THE THREADED ARCHIVES AT > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/DONEGALEIRE/ > > > TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY DATES AND SUBJECT GO TO THE SEARCHABLE ARCHIVES AT http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=DONEGALEIRE > > SOME HELPFUL WEBSITES: > Donegal Genealogy Resource (Lindel's Site) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegal/ > Donegaleire Genealogy Links& Data > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ > Bob's Donegal Ireland Genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hiflyte/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONEGALEIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > When replying to a digest post, quote only the specific text to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY SUBJECT, GO TO THE THREADED ARCHIVES AT http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/DONEGALEIRE/ TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY DATES AND SUBJECT GO TO THE SEARCHABLE ARCHIVES AT http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=DONEGALEIRE SOME HELPFUL WEBSITES: Donegal Genealogy Resource (Lindel's Site) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegal/ Donegaleire Genealogy Links& Data http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ Bob's Donegal Ireland Genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hiflyte/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONEGALEIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am having difficulty in coordinating the townlands used in Clondavaddog parish 1834 Tithe book with the townland names used in Griffiths. Some are easier to figure out than others. I have looked at the map offered in askaboutireland.com, but some I just cannot find. Is there any book or place on the internet that offers a coordination of these townland names. George