I have an Anthony Maguire who married one of my ancestors Mary Friel. In the 1901 census he is listed with the Brogan family as a servant. Mary Friel's father, Philip Friel married a Margaret Brogan and Philip's brother also married a Brogan. Do you think that the Brogan family listed below may be family to Mary Friel? Brogan Isabella 63 Female Head of Family Catholic Donegal Housekeeper Read and write - Widow - Brogan Bridget 28 Female Daughter Catholic Donegal - Read and write Irish and English Not Married - Brogan Lizzie 26 Female Daughter Catholic Donegal - Read and write Irish and English Not Married - Maguire Anthony 21 Male Servant Catholic Janice Friel

Thanks again Clare. Janice

Latest update 16 June 2011 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hiflyte/WhatsNew/New.html Bob CDN ======================= PICKUP THE Latest COPY OF THE DATABASE: You can pick up the latest Donegal Researchers List at: (Red Box). http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hiflyte/WhatsNew/New.html or http://hiflyte.22web.net/WhatsNew/New.html Just click the box (Red Box)and follow the instructions. ----------------------- How To Submit Your Research Information to the Database The actual database is a READ ONLY file, you can not directly update the data in it. Submit your data "as per the instructions" via the Donegaleire mailing list EASIEST WAY TO INPUT your research names and data. Open a New Email Address it to: DONEGALEIRE@rootsweb.com Subject Line: New Donegal Researchers Names Copy and Paste the following line of data into the body of your BLANK email, all in one line Your Email Address,PLU,Civil Parish,Townland,Surname and Given,Maiden Name and Given,Child,Child,Child,Child ---- up to 10 kids. Now insert your data BETWEEN the COMMAS No spaces after the commas - other than a space between the Surname/Maiden and Given name. No other details, No dates, no nick names etc. If you DON"T know the information enter "u/k" without the quotes One email for each entry. Email to the Donegal Mailing List -------------------------------------------------- INTERESTED IN IRISH GENEALOGY: Visit Bob's Genealogy Website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hiflyte/ Visit: Donegal Genealogy Resources http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/ Visit: Queenscastle http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegaleire/ Visit IGPA's Website: http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives -------------

Janice Sorry. I just saw I left out cause of death and informant. Then for marriage: when married etc. Again, good luck! Clare -----Original Message----- From: donegaleire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donegaleire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JANICEFRIEL@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 11:10 AM To: irl-co-donegal@rootsweb.com; donegaleire@rootsweb.com Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] Marriage and death certificates When ordering marriage and death certificates from GRO should I order the full or research certificate? I'm trying to locate parents on these records. Which one would give me more information? Janice When replying to a digest post, quote only the specific text to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY SUBJECT, GO TO THE THREADED ARCHIVES AT http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/DONEGALEIRE/ TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY DATES AND SUBJECT GO TO THE SEARCHABLE ARCHIVES AT http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=DONEGALEIRE SOME HELPFUL WEBSITES: Donegal Genealogy Resource (Lindel's Site) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegal/ Donegaleire Genealogy Links & Data http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ Bob's Donegal Ireland Genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hiflyte/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONEGALEIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Janice I have sent for many records from GRO. I asked them about certificates and they said the cost of a full certificate is 10 euros, and a photocopy is 6 euros. I filled in applications for birth, marriage and death that I downloaded from their site http://www.groireland.ie/about_us.htm And sent them in with cash ,(I insured the mail)requesting photocopies. They may be allowing charge cards now-should be on their site. England GRO does and it works. Place of birth, date, name, father's name and dwelling place, name and surname of mother, profession of father, and informant. Date and place of death, name and surname, condition, age, profession, cause of death, informant. When married, names and surnames, ages, conditions, professions, residences, fathers' names and surnames. It was highly satisfactory. Good luck! Clare -----Original Message----- From: donegaleire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donegaleire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JANICEFRIEL@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 11:10 AM To: irl-co-donegal@rootsweb.com; donegaleire@rootsweb.com Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] Marriage and death certificates When ordering marriage and death certificates from GRO should I order the full or research certificate? I'm trying to locate parents on these records. Which one would give me more information? Janice When replying to a digest post, quote only the specific text to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY SUBJECT, GO TO THE THREADED ARCHIVES AT http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/DONEGALEIRE/ TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY DATES AND SUBJECT GO TO THE SEARCHABLE ARCHIVES AT http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=DONEGALEIRE SOME HELPFUL WEBSITES: Donegal Genealogy Resource (Lindel's Site) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegal/ Donegaleire Genealogy Links & Data http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ Bob's Donegal Ireland Genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hiflyte/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONEGALEIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Janice, When ordering the certs from the GRO in Roscommon, always order the one described under Note 2 = a photocopy at €6. This will be exactoy that, a photocopy of the original and therefore with all the information of the original Not only that, but if you have the Year, Registration District, Volume and Page number, as is usually the case if you have found the record at the LDS website, then you can send just €4 and write on the form, "No search needed, cost therefore €4 each." An Irish Death Cert will NOT usually give either parent. The only other person named is the person who was Present at Death and who registered the death. Sometimes this person's relationship to the deceased is given but usually, it is not. It also gives the presumed age of the person and the cause of death along with the residence (townland) of the deceased and the person who notified the death. An Irish Marriage Cert will have the names of both fathers but neither mother. Sometimes the ages of the couple are given but usually just the fact that they were over 21 - written as "Full". It also gives the residences of the bride and groom (but not their fathers), their marital status, the occupations of both parties plus their fathers and also the names of the witnesses but no indication as to who they are. It also tells you where they were married and therefore their religion. Clearly, each has its advantages. Boyd Gray http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ http://preview.tinyurl.com/yk7gckr -----Original Message----- From: irl-co-donegal-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-co-donegal-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JANICEFRIEL@aol.com Sent: 15 June 2011 16:10 To: irl-co-donegal@rootsweb.com; donegaleire@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-CO-DONEGAL] Marriage and death certificates When ordering marriage and death certificates from GRO should I order the full or research certificate? I'm trying to locate parents on these records. Which one would give me more information? Janice Please post in text only format. donkelly, admin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CO-DONEGAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Janice, The Tithe Applotment Books are just a list of who held (leased) the land so that they could be charged tithes for the church. Therefore, like any other type of land holding, there is no law against anyone under 21 holding land. However, it is much more likely to be someone over 21, who has moved out of home and who has married and leased their own farm, or small garden. And of course, that person could also be any age up to 80s. Boyd Gray http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ http://preview.tinyurl.com/yk7gckr -----Original Message----- From: donegaleire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donegaleire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JANICEFRIEL@aol.com Sent: 15 June 2011 12:59 To: irl-co-donegal@rootsweb.com; donegaleire@rootsweb.com Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] Tithe Books I have a question I hope someone can answer. If someone name is listed in the 1825 Tithe Applotment Books, would that mean that they had to be over the age of 21? I'm trying to find the age of my relative and he is named in this book in 1825. Janice Friel When replying to a digest post, quote only the specific text to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY SUBJECT, GO TO THE THREADED ARCHIVES AT http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/DONEGALEIRE/ TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY DATES AND SUBJECT GO TO THE SEARCHABLE ARCHIVES AT http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=DONEGALEIRE SOME HELPFUL WEBSITES: Donegal Genealogy Resource (Lindel's Site) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegal/ Donegaleire Genealogy Links & Data http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ Bob's Donegal Ireland Genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hiflyte/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONEGALEIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When ordering marriage and death certificates from GRO should I order the full or research certificate? I'm trying to locate parents on these records. Which one would give me more information? Janice

I have a question I hope someone can answer. If someone name is listed in the 1825 Tithe Applotment Books, would that mean that they had to be over the age of 21? I'm trying to find the age of my relative and he is named in this book in 1825. Janice Friel

Hi Janice Thanks so much for taking the time to post Irish Life and Lore. I know a few of the folk. Really delighted to have it. Muriel

Hello Janice. I noticed that in your recent e-mail you mentioned a Perambulation Book, 1855 which contained the name, among others, of a 'Thomas Hagerty'. My 'ancients' are Haggerty's from someplace in Co Donegal, just where in Co Donegal, I dont know. My Peter Haggerty & wife Nancy McGuire as a couple of kids, & along with his mother, Mary, ~1825, came to New Brunswick Canada & thence, finally in 1830, to northern ME, Houlton area. I , for many years, have been unsucessful in finding any record of them in Canada or Ireland. Would your Perambulation Book, what ever it is, be of any help to me in this matter ; if so, how do I get ahold of one? Many thanks ...... Ed Evelyn & Ed Costello e-mail: <costello13@juno.com> website: <freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com@~ed1009> HAGGERTY*LAVERTY*COSTELLO*JOYCE ____________________________________________________________ Globe Life Insurance $1* Buys $50,000 Life Insurance. Adults or Children. No Medical Exam. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4df7c611c1e5b4a5b6m07vuc

I have a copy of the Perambulation book page for Beefpark, Co Donegal 1855 Names listed are: Michael Griffin Morrow/Maurice Freel Bryan Freel Charles Byrne Thomas hagerty Janice

_Click here: http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/countrywide/newspapers/nation002.txt_ (http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/countrywide/newspapers/nation002.txt) Also found this while searching. Hope is useful Janice

I came across this while researching and thought it may be of interest to someone. Janice _http://www.irishlifeandlore.com/collections/Irish%20Life%20and%20Lore%20-%2 0Donegal%20Collection.pdf_ (http://www.irishlifeandlore.com/collections/Irish%20Life%20and%20Lore%20-%20Donegal%20Collection.pdf)

Cross Posted from the IGPA List This new section added by C. Hunt and the Volunteers subscribers should be of interest for those with people who went to Trinity College. Bob Laois/Donegal IGPA List File Manager ==================== We have finished (with *much* help) putting up assorted names from Alumni Dublineses in the IGP Archives http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/countrywide/education.htm The names of the father of the student is included. If you have a page copy, but all means email it to me for inclusion. Thanks go to our transcribers. They have done a lot with very poor copies to work with. Alumni Dublineses is a large volume and this is only a small percentage of the pages, but we hope it will be of interest. It also should give you an idea of what you will find if you had an ancestor or relative of an ancestor who went to Trinity College. ====================

Hi Frank, Lagboy, or Legboy, as it appears to be on the modern OS Map, is in the townland of Ballymagahy Mountain, Ballymagahy North or Ballymagahy South. Not sure which but a quick search of the Failteromhat GV for Clondavaddog Parish shows NO McGonigals/McGonigles and NO Coningleys either in the entire parish. However, there ARE people called McConigly and McCunnigle, which as far as I am concerned, is the same name as McGonigle. And if you anglicise it you end up with Coningley. There are no similar names in any of the Ballymagaheys but there are the following: Mc Conigly Andrew Faltybanes Clondavaddog Donegal Mc Conigly Grace Balloor Clondavaddog Donegal Mc Conigly Henry Faltybanes Clondavaddog Donegal Mc Conigly John Balloor Clondavaddog Donegal Mc Conigly John Faltybanes Clondavaddog Donegal Mc Conigly Patrick Balloor Clondavaddog Donegal Mc Conigly Patrick Glinsk Clondavaddog Donegal Mc Cunnigle Charles Magheradrumman Clondavaddog Donegal Mc Cunnigle Dominick Fallaneas Clondavaddog Donegal Mc Cunnigle Francis Ballincrick and Ballynabrocky Clondavaddog Donegal Mc Cunnigle Francis Cooladerry Mountain Clondavaddog Donegal Mc Cunnigle John Kinnalough Clondavaddog Donegal Mc Cunnigle John Rinmore Clondavaddog Donegal Mc Cunnigle Patrick Magheradrumman Clondavaddog Donegal Mc Cunnigle Thomas Cooladerry Mountain Clondavaddog Donegal I am sure if you use Bob Hilchey's maps you will find that some of these townlands is only a schugh away from the Ballymagaheys. No McMenemins in Clondavaddog either; the closest are: Minahan John Ballynalost Clondavaddog Donegal Minahan John Kinnalough Clondavaddog Donegal Minahan Owen Tullynadall Clondavaddog Donegal Minnan James Laddan Clondavaddog Donegal Minnan John Laddan Clondavaddog Donegal Frank, if you want to send me the Reg Card off-List, I am happy to have a wee duke at it to see if I can make it out. Regards, Boyd Gray http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ http://preview.tinyurl.com/yk7gckr -----Original Message----- From: donegaleire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donegaleire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Frank McGonigal Sent: 05 June 2011 04:37 To: IRL-Donegaleire-L; IRL-Donegal; IRL-Co-Donegal Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] McGONIGAL , McGONIGAL Hi I'm researching a Bryan McGonigal/McGonigle for a new contact who is said to have been born in Lagboy near Tamney in Donegal. Bryan was born 1885-1888 and went to USA in 1905,I have a copy of the passenger list with him on it. He had siblings James,Patrick,Neal (Niall) Kathleen and Grace. Most went to USA but Neal/Niall stayed behind. I've searched the 1901 census but can't find this family,but I did find a Coningley family that looks similar..I know it's stretching it a lot but could there have been a name change ?. Bryans parents COULD have been James McGonigal and Elizabeth McMenemin (sp.) Or his mothers first name could be Rose,(hard to decipher) according to a Reg.Card in USA. Anyway my new contact is having one of her McGonigal brothers do a YDNA test to see how closely we are related.We will probably have a common ancestor,..maybe distant..but hopefully quite close. Thanks Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada. When replying to a digest post, quote only the specific text to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY SUBJECT, GO TO THE THREADED ARCHIVES AT http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/DONEGALEIRE/ TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY DATES AND SUBJECT GO TO THE SEARCHABLE ARCHIVES AT http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=DONEGALEIRE SOME HELPFUL WEBSITES: Donegal Genealogy Resource (Lindel's Site) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegal/ Donegaleire Genealogy Links & Data http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ Bob's Donegal Ireland Genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hiflyte/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONEGALEIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Frank, McGonigal, McGonigle, McConigly, McCunnigle . Did a check of the BIVRI2 data for your surnames in the area mentioned, no luck. As you know it is only a small sampling of what the LDS hold. You can see what names are living in the area via the GV data on my website, which are linked to "Valuation of Tennements" pages by clicking the right hand column link. Also checked the LDS site for the names but none match, maybe a look at the FHC Index files for 1885 time frame would produce results, you should have all these films in-house at the local branch -- (assuming) Hope the weather is better in the TO area than what we are having out here in AB, cold, rain and they even had snow up in the North west corner Global warming is sure affecting us all. Have a nice day, Bob =================== On 04/06/2011 9:36 PM, Frank McGonigal wrote: <SNIP>...HiI'm researching a Bryan McGonigal/McGonigle for a new contact who is said to have been born in Lagboy near Tamney in Donegal. Bryan was born 1885-1888 and went to USA in 1905,I have a copy of the passenger list with him on it.... =====================

Hi I'm researching a Bryan McGonigal/McGonigle for a new contact who is said to have been born in Lagboy near Tamney in Donegal. Bryan was born 1885-1888 and went to USA in 1905,I have a copy of the passenger list with him on it. He had siblings James,Patrick,Neal (Niall) Kathleen and Grace. Most went to USA but Neal/Niall stayed behind. I've searched the 1901 census but can't find this family,but I did find a Coningley family that looks similar..I know it's stretching it a lot but could there have been a name change ?. Bryans parents COULD have been James McGonigal and Elizabeth McMenemin (sp.) Or his mothers first name could be Rose,(hard to decipher) according to a Reg.Card in USA. Anyway my new contact is having one of her McGonigal brothers do a YDNA test to see how closely we are related.We will probably have a common ancestor,..maybe distant..but hopefully quite close. Thanks Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada.

Latest update 2 June 2011 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hiflyte/WhatsNew/New.html Bob CDN ======================= PICKUP THE Latest COPY OF THE DATABASE: You can pick up the latest Donegal Researchers List at: (Red Box). http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hiflyte/WhatsNew/New.html or http://hiflyte.22web.net/WhatsNew/New.html Just click the box (Red Box)and follow the instructions. ----------------------- How To Submit Your Research Information to the Database The actual database is a READ ONLY file, you can not directly update the data in it. Submit your data "as per the instructions" via the Donegaleire mailing list EASIEST WAY TO INPUT your research names and data. Open a New Email Address it to: DONEGALEIRE@rootsweb.com Subject Line: New Donegal Researchers Names Copy and Paste the following line of data into the body of your BLANK email, all in one line Your Email Address,PLU,Civil Parish,Townland,Surname and Given,Maiden Name and Given,Child,Child,Child,Child ---- up to 10 kids. Now insert your data BETWEEN the COMMAS No spaces after the commas - other than a space between the Surname/Maiden and Given name. No other details, No dates, no nick names etc. If you DON"T know the information enter "u/k" without the quotes One email for each entry. Email to the Donegal Mailing List -------------------------------------------------- INTERESTED IN IRISH GENEALOGY: Visit Bob's Genealogy Website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hiflyte/ Visit: Donegal Genealogy Resources http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/ Visit: Queenscastle http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegaleire/ Visit IGPA's Website: http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives -------------

Hello Boyd, What a strange find! I suggest that you contact the Central Library in Letterkenny. On their website, http://www.donegallibrary.ie/memory/defaultfhistory.htm, under the heading “Griffith’s Primary Valuation” is the following comment: “Although the publication dates for County Donegal are stated to be 1857-58, there is strong evidence to suggest that the valuation was carried out up to a decade earlier. It is known, for instance, that some persons listed as being present in 1857-58 had died in the Famine.” I am not sure what evidence they have for this assertion, but what they have may throw some light on your current conundrum! Their e-mail is central@donegallibrary.ie. If you discover something of interest, could you share it with us? By the way, there is a Richard Scott listed in the Valuation, renting 80 acres of land in the nearby townland of Dromore, in Inver. Hope this helps! Best wishes Ben http://www.movillerecords.com/ P.s –I can only access the library website using Internet Explorer. Neither Chrome nor Firefox appear to work, but perhaps that’s my settings.