Just to (hopefully) clear up The Tamney location, as you (Pete) have said it is a townland (actually on the Ordnance Survey map its spelt, wrongly, Tawny is in the Parish of Clondevaddock (C of I), it would be about 2 - miles from Portsalon on Mulroy Bay side and 4 miles up from Kerrykeel (Carrowkeel on map) I can think of nothing historical about Tamney apart from superstitions regarding the banshee, which are very evident around the Fanad Peninsular and not to be taken lightly regards David

Mea culpa, Julie, Once again, I have rushed "forward, into the breach"......without checking all of my sources. It appears that the RC parish of Tamney is identical in extent with the civil parish of Clondavaddog. But there doesn't appear to be any townland by that name, although the name Tamney must have some historical background. Sorry again. Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Julie at clab@powerup.com.au writes: << I am a little confused with Tamney....is Tamney & Clondavaddog the same or is Tamney a Townland of Clondavaddog. >> Julie, There doesn't seem to be an official Tamney townland in Clondavaddog (but, hey....this is Donegal, where everyone has their own idea of what constitutes a townland <gr>.). However, there is a Tawny townland about 2 miles westish of Portsalon town. Perhaps the letter "w" was misread or misprinted at some time as an "m". Or it may somehow come from the Irish name for the townland, An Tamhnaigh. Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Julie, Tamney is a village in the parish of Clondavaddock. Alex

In a message dated 12/10/2003 4:08:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, tonlebo@ptd.net writes: Hi Janice The Lipsett in the Dromore column are mine. Can I get any more information on them? If so How? Thank you Tonya Well, there in Killymard Parish, so I would try your local LDS center and look up the records for Killymard. I know I have had good luck with that. Father Owen Friel The Parochial House Killymard Donegal, Donegal Co. I would make a donation with my request. You can also contact Central Library Letterkenny Oliver Plunkett Rd. Letterkenny LDS Killymard parish Tithe Applotment Books LDS 256644 Donegal Electoral Division, 1858-1947 Dromore LDS 832507 Catholic Parish Registers Includes Baptisms, 1847-1880 The Catholic parish of Killymard contains the civil parish of Killymard parish registers LDS 926212 Hope this helps Janice Dromore Dromore

DRUMGORMAN BAR Scott John Mulhearn Anthony Mulhearn Alex Scott Alex Scott Thomas McGroarty William Hamilton Lewis McCaul Charles Boyle John DRUMGORNAN 1. Fawcett Catherine 2. McCaul William 3. McCaul patrick 4. Harahy Dominick 5. Meehan William 6. Crommer Robert 7. Harahy Owen 8. Campbell James 9. Gillespie Lawrence 10. Williamson John 11. Mullin John 12. McGonigle Patrick 12. McGonigle Unity 13. Campbell Francis 14. Kelly Charles 15. Lenahan Hugh McGroarty Michael 16. Williamson Elizabeth 17. Wark William DRUMGOWAN Barnett John Gregory Francis Elliott William Crawford Lewis Hamilton James Sharkey Margaret Graham Robert Graham John Grahan William Johnston James Travers James Travers Hugh Dorson James Graham Francis Madden Michael Scanlan Patrick McCormack Patrick Clarke William Hamilton John Henderson Thomas Virtue Robert McClintock William DRUMGUN 2. WIson George V. 3. Stewart Samuel 4. McHugh Patrick 5. Brogan James DRUMKEEGAN 1. Crawford Andrew 2. Keeran Daniel 3. Fausset Arthur 4. Bogle Bernard 5. Bogle Catherine 6. Gildea John 7. Kenndy Patrick 8. Wilson George V. 9. Harahy Owen 10. Gallagher James 11. Quin Charles 13. Brogan William DRUMKEELAN Patrick Monahan James McAdam Michael Burns (sen) Michael Burns Catherine Boyle James McGraorty Patrick Cannon Patrick Cannon Mary Monahan John Gallagher Brian Gillespie Bridget Monahan James Harahy Patrick Cannon James McGroarty Edward Burns David Burns Edward Burns David Burns Bridget Burns James Waugh William McCollum Henry Sweeny Michael Harahy Patrick Harahy James Ward Thomas Conaghan Jeremiah Freel Patrick Monaghan Francis Maguire Daniel Gallagher Thomas Conaghan James McCann Anne Buchanan Thomas Conaghan Anne Buchanan James McCann James Buchanan Patrick Monaghan James Buchanan Patrick Monaghan Neal Connor Ellen Connor John Meehan Charles Meehan Robert McKay Hugh McKay I know there alot of double names, but that is the way it was written DRUMLAGHT Freebourne Arthur Kearney Arthur Montgomery John Rutherford John Montgomery Maryanne Gillespie Sarah DRUMLONAGHER Gallagher James William, Bridget Stevenson James Hanna John Dillon John H. Ginty John M. McLoone Anthony DRUMMENANAGH (INVER PARISH) JOHN HOUGHTON DRUMMEENANAGH (KILLYMARD PARISH) Thomas Parsons William Morrow John Morrow Thomas Brooke John Crawford William Lyons John McLynn Thomas Brooke George Woodward Hugh Scott DRUMNACARRY William McCahill Michael McCahill Patrick McCahill John Gallagher Hugh Gallagher James Gallagher PatricK Gallagher Patrick Gallagher John Campbell Anne McCahill Michael McCahill Charles Byrne William Sinclair DRUMNACARRY (KILLYMARD PARISH) William Lowry Andrew Lowry Francis Moore John Harahy Jeremiah Harahy Thomas Carney James Golden DRUMRAT William Hammond James Hammond Hugh Hammond James Hammond Hugh Hammond Dillon John H. Spence Jacob DRUMROOSK 1. Gallagher James 2. Cromer John 3. Doherty Charkes 4. Gillespie James DRUMROOSK EAST 1. Cromer Francis 2. Davis James 3. Anderson John DRUMROOSK MIDDLE 1. O' Donnell James 2. McMullen Timothy 3. McAdam Philip 4. Doherty James DRUMROOSK WEST 1. McAdam Hugh 2. McAdam Philip 3. McCloskey Francis 4. McGettigan William 5. Perry William 6. Martin Denis McCloskey Catherine 7. McCloskey William 8. Graham William DRUMSTEVLIN 1. Wray William 2. Birky James 3. Spence John 4. Spence William EAGLE NEST ISLAND NIL JANICE

http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/philadelphia/vitals/marr-indx4.txt For the name FRIEL janice

Dear Helen, After reading your post thought I would look at the website that tells about the Wee House of Malin. Hate to admit that I haven't been there and it is just a short drive down the road from Ballyhillion. Will make sure I go there on my next visit. Malin Head is spectacular. When driving there after leaving Carndonagh I feel as though I am driving on the top of the world. It's wild roughed beauty is breath taking. Go raib maith agat for all the information regarding what records are available in Del. Beannachtai, Margaret (Mairead)

Margaret, By the way, I forgot to tell you, I spent a couple days in Malin Head a few years back -- it was very delightful! :) We stayed at Bridget McELENEY's B&B -- it over looked the North Sea. It is just up the road from The Wee House of Malin & The Mother & Father of the North Sea (two large rocks). The sunsets were awesome. I have info on the following from "The Search For Missing Friends": DOUGHERTY Barney, Chester Carnmalin, Co. Donegal VII-454 John & E. J. DuPONT Wilm, DE Please let me know if you would like this info? The following are marriages at Immaculate Heart of Mary at 2nd & Norris Sts., in Chester, PA. BEGLEY John P. Patrick Co. Donegal, IRE 11 Jun 1902 BOYLE Margaret (Carr) James Chester Wit: William BEGLEY & Mary A. CURRAN HOUGHTON? John William & Mary Chester 28 Apr 1909 BRATTON Ann M. David & Ann Malin, Co. Donegal, IRE Wit: William HONGHTON? & Mary BRATTON Happy hunting, Helen (DCGS) In a message dated 12/9/03 9:36:06 PM, conaught2@charter.net writes: << Dear Helen, Go raibh maith agat. Really appreciate you looking this information up. The age is off a wee bit. Will see if I can find him on the Ellis Island site and determine if he belongs in my family. Once again thank you for your help. Beannachtai, Margaret >>

not a surprize to us geneaologists lol. this applies to small irish ,new england,english ,italian,american towns and onclaves where small groups lived or live jim This also can be why some diseases runs thru families and not others > Go Ahead, Kiss Your Cousin Heck, marry her if you want to By Richard Conniff DISCOVER Vol. 24 No. 08 | August 2003 In Paris in 1876 a 31-year-old banker named Albert took an 18-year-old named Bettina as his wife. Both were Rothschilds, and they were cousins. According to conventional notions about inbreeding, their marriage ought to have been a prescription for infertility and enfeeblement. In fact, Albert and Bettina went on to produce seven children, and six of them lived to be adults. Moreover, for generations the Rothschildfamily had been inbreeding almost as intensively as European royalty, without apparent ill effect. Despite his own limited gene pool, Albert, for instance, was an outdoorsman and the seventh person ever to climb the Matterhorn. The American du Ponts practiced the same strategy of cousin marriage for a century. Charles Darwin, the grandchild of first cousins, married a first cousin. So did Albert Einstein. In our lore, cousin marriages are unnatural, the province of hillbillies and swamp rats, not Rothschilds and Darwins. In the United States they are deemed such a threat to mental health that 31 states have outlawed first-cousin marriages. This phobia is distinctly American, a heritage of early evolutionists with misguided notions about the upward march of human societies. Their fear was that cousin marriages would cause us to breed our way back to frontier savagery—or worse. "You can't marry your first cousin," a character declares in the 1982 play Brighton Beach Memoirs. "You get babies with nine heads." So when a team of scientists led by Robin L. Bennett, a genetic counselor at the University of Washington and the president of the National Society of Genetic Counselors, announced that cousin marriages are not significantly riskier than any other marriage, it made the front page of The New York Times. The study, published in the Journal of Genetic Counseling last year, determined that children of first cousins face about a 2 to 3 percent higher risk of birth defects than the population at large. To put it another way, first-cousin marriages entail roughly the same increased risk of abnormality that a woman undertakes when she gives birth at 41 rather than at 30. Banning cousin marriages makes about as much sense, critics argue, as trying to ban childbearing by older women. But the nature of cousin marriage is far more surprising than recent publicity has suggested. A closer look reveals that moderate inbreeding has always been the rule, not the exception, for humans. Inbreeding is also commonplace in the natural world, and contrary to our expectations, some biologists argue that this can be a very good thing. It depends in part on the degree of inbreeding. Can you marry a cousin? Laws governing the marriage of first cousins vary widely. In 24 states (pink), such marriages are illegal. In 19 states (green), first cousins are permitted to wed. Seven states (peach) allow first-cousin marriage but with conditions. Maine, for instance, requires genetic counseling; some states say yes only if one partner is sterile. North Carolina prohibits marriage only for double first cousins. Got that? Map by Matt Zang Source: cousincouples.com and Cuddle International. The idea that inbreeding might sometimes be beneficial is clearly contrarian. So it's important to acknowledge first that inbreeding can sometimes also go horribly wrong—and in ways that, at first glance, make our stereotypes about cousin marriage seem completely correct. In the Yorkshire city of Bradford, in England, for instance, a majority of the large Pakistani community can trace their origins to the village of Mirpur in Kashmir, which was inundated by a new dam in the 1960s. Cousin marriages have been customary in Kashmir for generations, and more than 85 percent of Bradford's Pakistanis marry their cousins. Local doctors are seeing sharp spikes in the number of children with serious genetic disabilities, and each case is its own poignant tragedy. One couple was recently raising two apparently healthy children. Then, when they were 5 and 7, both were diagnosed with neural degenerative disease in the same week. The children are now slowly dying. Neural degenerative diseases are eight times more common in Bradford than in the rest of the United Kingdom. The great hazard of inbreeding is that it can result in the unmasking of deleterious recessives, to use the clinical language of geneticists. Each of us carries an unknown number of genes—an individual typically has between five and seven—capable of killing our children or grandchildren. These so-called lethal recessives are associated with diseases like cystic fibrosis and sickle-cell anemia. Most lethal genes never get expressed unless we inherit the recessive form of the gene from both our mother and father. But when both parents come from the same gene pool, their children are more likely to inherit two recessives. So how do scientists reconcile the experience in Bradford with the relatively moderate level of risk reported in the Journal of Genetic Counseling? How did Rothschilds or Darwins manage to marry their cousins with apparent impunity? Above all, how could any such marriages ever possibly be beneficial? The traditional view of human inbreeding was that we did it, in essence, because we could not get the car on Saturday night. Until the past century, families tended to remain in the same area for generations, and men typically went courting no more than about five miles from home—the distance they could walk out and back on their day off from work. As a result, according to Robin Fox, a professor of anthropology at Rutgers University, it's likely that 80 percent of all marriages in history have been between second cousins or closer. Global Inbreeding Researchers who study inbreeding track consanguineous marriages—those between second cousins or closer. In green countries, at least 20 percent and, in some cases, more than 50 percent of marriages fall into this category. Pink countries report 1 to 10 percent consanguinity; peach-colored countries, less than 1 percent. Data is unavailable for white countries. Map by Matt Zang Map reproduced with the permission of A.H. Bittles. Factors other than mere proximity can make inbreeding attractive. Pierre-Samuel du Pont, founder of an American dynasty that believed in inbreeding, hinted at these factors when he told his family: "The marriages that I should prefer for our colony would be between the cousins. In that way we should be sure of honesty of soul and purity of blood." He got his wish, with seven cousin marriages in the family during the 19th century. Mayer Amschel Rothschild, founder of the banking family, likewise arranged his affairs so that cousin marriages among his descendants were inevitable. His will barred female descendants from any direct inheritance. Without an inheritance, female Rothschilds had few possible marriage partners of the same religion and suitable economic and social stature—except other Rothschilds. Rothschild brides bound the family together. Four of Mayer's granddaughters married grandsons, and one married her uncle. These were hardly people whose mate choice was limited by the distance they could walk on their day off. Some families have traditionally chosen inbreeding as the best strategy for success because it offers at least three highly practical benefits. First, such marriages make it likelier that a shared set of cultural values will pass down intact to the children. Second, cousin marriages make it more likely that spouses will be compatible, particularly in an alien environment. Such marriages may be even more attractive for Pakistanis in Bradford, England, than back home in Kashmir. Intermarriage decreases the divorce rate and enhances the independence of wives, who retain the support of familiar friends and relatives. Among the 19th-century du Ponts, for instance, women had an equal vote with men in family meetings. Finally, marrying cousins minimizes the need to break up family wealth from one generation to the next. The rich have frequently chosen inbreeding as a means to keep estates intact and consolidate power. Moderate inbreeding may also produce biological benefits. Contrary to lore, cousin marriages may do even better than ordinary marriages by the standard Darwinian measure of success, which is reproduction. A 1960 study of first-cousin marriages in 19th-century England done by C. D. Darlington, a geneticist at Oxford University, found that inbred couples produced twice as many great-grandchildren as did their outbred counterparts. Consider, for example, the marriage of Albert and Bettina Rothschild. Their children were descended from a genetic pool of just 24 people (beginning with family founders Mayer Amschel and Gutle Rothschild), and more than three-fifths of them were born Rothschilds. In a family that had not inbred, the same children would have 38 ancestors. Because of inbreeding, they were directly descended no fewer than six times each from Mayer and Gutle Rothschild. If our subconscious Darwinian agenda is to get as much of our genome as possible into future generations, then inbreeding clearly provided a genetic benefit for Mayer and Gutle. And for their descendants? How could the remarkably untroubled reproductive experience of intermarried Rothschilds differ so strikingly from that of intermarried families in Bradford? The consequences of inbreeding are unpredictable and depend largely on what biologists call the founder effect: If the founding couple pass on a large number of lethal recessives, as appears to have happened in Bradford, these recessives will spread and double up through intermarriage. If, however, Mayer and Gutle Rothschild handed down a comparatively healthy genome, their descendants could safely intermarry for generations—at least until small deleterious effects inevitably began to pile up and produce inbreeding depression, a long-term decline in the well-being of a family or a species. A founding couple can also pass on advantageous genes. Among animal populations, generations of inbreeding frequently lead to the development of coadapted gene complexes, suites of genetic traits that tend to be inherited together. These traits may confer special adaptations to a local environment, like resistance to disease. The evidence for such benefits in humans is slim, perhaps in part because any genetic advantages conferred by inbreeding may be too small or too gradual to detect. Alan Bittles, a professor of human biology at Edith Cowan University in Australia, points out that there's a dearth of data on the subject of genetic disadvantages too. Not until some rare disorder crops up in a place like Bradford do doctors even notice intermarriage. Something disturbingly eugenic about the idea of better-families-through-inbreeding also causes researchers to look away. Oxford historian Niall Ferguson, author of The House of Rothschild, speculates that that there may have been "a Rothschild 'gene for financial acumen,' which intermarriage somehow helped to perpetuate. Perhaps it was that which made the Rothschilds truly exceptional." But he quickly dismisses this as "unlikely." At the same time, humans are perfectly comfortable with the idea that inbreeding can produce genetic benefits for domesticated animals. When we want a dog with the points to take Best in Show at Madison Square Garden, we often get it by taking individuals displaying the desired traits and "breeding them back" with their close kin. Researchers have observed that animals in the wild may also attain genetic benefits from inbreeding. Ten mouse colonies may set up housekeeping in a field but remain separate. The dominant male in each colony typically inbreeds with his kin. His genes rapidly spread through the colony—the founder effect again—and each colony thus becomes a little different from the others, with double recessives proliferating for both good and ill effects. When the weather changes or some deadly virus blows through, one colony may end up better adapted to the new circumstances than the other nine, which die out. Inbreeding may help explain why insects can develop resistance almost overnight to pesticides like DDT: The resistance first shows up as a recessive trait in one obscure family line. Inbreeding, with its cascade of double recessives, causes the trait to be expressed in every generation of this family—and under the intense selective pressure of DDT, this family of resistant insects survives and proliferates. Click on the image to enlarge (184k) The Inbred Rothschild Family This picture gallery portrays members of five generations of the legendary Rothschild banking family, beginning with founder Mayer Amschel and his wife, Gutle. In an effort to build the fortune he had created, Mayer wrote a will that made intermarriage lucrative for his offspring. They took his point and frequently inbred: Cousins began marrying cousins, and in one case, a niece wed her uncle. Albert considered marrying only two women, both cousins. He chose Bettina, with whom he had seven children. Subsequent generations began to outbreed more frequently. ©XPLANE.com® The obvious problem with this contrarian argument is that so many animals seem to go out of their way to avoid inbreeding. Field biologists have often observed that animals reared together from an early age become imprinted on one another and lack mutual sexual interest as adults; they have an innate aversion to homegrown romance. But what they are avoiding, according to William Shields, a biologist at the State University of New York College of Environmental Science and Forestry at Syracuse, is merely incest, the most extreme form of inbreeding, not inbreeding itself. He argues that normal patterns of dispersal actually encourage inbreeding. When young birds leave the nest, for instance, they typically move four or five home ranges away, not 10 or 100; that is, they stay within breeding distance of their cousins. Intense loyalty to a home territory helps keep a population healthy, according to Shields, because it encourages "optimal inbreeding." This elusive ideal is the point at which a population gets the benefit of adaptations to local habitat—the coadapted gene complexes—without the hazardous unmasking of recessive disorders. In some cases, outbreeding can be the real hazard. A study conducted by E. L. Brannon, an ecologist at the University of Idaho, looked at two separate populations of sockeye salmon, one breeding where a river entered a lake, the other where it exited. Salmon fry at the inlet evolved to swim downstream to the lake. The ones at the outlet evolved to swim upstream. When researchers crossed the populations, they ended up with salmon young too confused to know which way to go. In the wild, such a hybrid population might lose half or more of its fry and soon vanish. It is, of course, a long way from sockeye salmon and inbred insects to human mating behavior. But Patrick Bateson, a professor of ethology at Cambridge University, argues that outbreeding has at times been hazardous for humans too. For instance, the size and shape of our teeth is a strongly inherited trait. So is jaw size and shape. But the two traits aren't inherited together. If a woman with small jaws and small teeth marries a man with big jaws and big teeth, their grandchildren may end up with a mouthful of gnashers in a Tinkertoy jaw. Before dentistry was commonplace, Bateson adds, "ill-fitting teeth were probably a serious cause of mortality because it increased the likelihood of abscesses in the mouth." Marrying a cousin was one way to avoid a potentially lethal mismatch. Bateson suggests that while youngsters imprinting on their siblings lose sexual interest in one another they may also gain a search image for a mate—someone who's not a sibling but like a sibling. Studies have shown that people overwhelmingly choose spouses similar to themselves, a phenomenon called assortative mating. The similarities are social, psychological, and physical, even down to traits like earlobe length. Cousins, Bateson says, perfectly fit this human preference for "slight novelty." So where does this leave us? No scientist is advocating intermarriage, but the evidence indicates that we should at least moderate our automatic disdain for it. One unlucky woman, whom Robin Bennett encountered in the course of her research, recalled the reaction when she became pregnant after living with her first cousin for two years. Her gynecologist professed horror, told her the baby "would be sick all the time," and advised her to have an abortion. Her boyfriend's mother, who was also her aunt, "went nuts, saying that our baby would be retarded." The woman had an abortion, which she now calls "the worst mistake of my life." Science is increasingly able to help such people look at their own choices more objectively. Genetic and metabolic tests can now screen for about 100 recessive disorders. In the past, families in Bradford rarely recognized genetic origins of causes of death or patterns of abnormality. The likelihood of stigma within the community or racism from without also made people reluctant to discuss such problems. But new tests have helped change that. Last year two siblings in Bradford were hoping to intermarry their children despite a family history of thalassemia, a recessive blood disorder that is frequently fatal before the age of 30. After testing determined which of the children carried the thalassemia gene, the families were able to arrange a pair of carrier-to-noncarrier first-cousin marriages. Such planning may seem complicated. It may even be the sort of thing that causes Americans, with their entrenched dread of inbreeding, to shudder. But the needs of both culture and medicine were satisfied, and an observer could only conclude that the urge to marry cousins must be more powerful, and more deeply rooted, than we yet understand. > Web sites devoted to the topic of consanguinity and cousin marriages abound, with approaches ranging from academic to activist: <A HREF="http://www.consang.net/">www.consang.net</A>, <A HREF="http://www.cousincouples.com/"> www.cousincouples.com</A>, and <A HREF="http://www.cuddleinternational.org/">www.cuddleinternational.org</A>. > > > Be the first to >rate this article.</A> > >

Hi Bob, Go raibh maith agat for the birth registrations. Will look at them closer. None are my Great Uncle or his wife, but see some familiar names,so they are probably cousins. Beannachtai, Margaret (Mairead)

Curious to know if there is someone else out there searching family from Kilcar Parish, Southwest Donegal? I have made some of my most noteworthy discoveries about my family by just corresponding with people who were doing work in my same location, not necessarily by surname. Since it has been some time since I posted my information on the list I will mention that my grandfather, James Doherty/Dougherty, was born in the Townland of Towney, Kilcar in 1872. His parents were, Patrick Doherty and Una Gillespie and his grandfather was John Doherty. They were a fishing family associated with the Teelin area of Glencolumbkille. My portion of the family emigrated to the coal fields of NortheasternPennsylvania in 1884.

Margaret, Here are a few Doherty births from Malin in the 1870 time frame Susan has a few but not your time frame. Must be connection between them all----from Malin Bob Cdn. ------------------------------------------------- DOHERTY, Susan Birth Gender: Female Birth Date: 15 Mar 1874 Birthplace: Malin, Don, Ire Recorded in: Donegal, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: James Doherty Mother: Ellen Mulloy Source: FHL Film 255901 Dates: 1874 - 1874 ------------------------------- DOHERTY, Susan Birth Gender: Female Birth Date: 25 Apr 1873 Birthplace: Malin, Don, Ire Recorded in: Donegal, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: Roger Doherty Mother: Ellen Mc Laughlin Source: FHL Film 255876 Dates: 1873 - 1875 ----------------------------------------------------- DOHERTY, Susan Birth Gender: Female Birth Date: 28 Sep 1871 Birthplace: 157,malin,don,ire Recorded in: Donegal, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: Philip DOHERTY Mother: Ellen MCCALLION Source: FHL Film 255833 Dates: 1871 - 1872 ---------------------------------------------- DOHERTY, Susan Birth Gender: Female Birth Date: 7 Sep 1871 Birthplace: 153,malin,don,ire Recorded in: Donegal, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: Patrick DOHERTY Mother: Anne FARON Source: FHL Film 255833 Dates: 1871 - 1872 ------------------------------- DOHERTY, Susan Birth Gender: Female Birth Date: 31 May 1870 Birthplace: Malin, Don, Ire Recorded in: Donegal, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: John DOHERTY Mother: Rose MCFEELY Source: FHL Film 101206 Dates: 1870 - 1870 ------------------------------------ DOHERTY, Susan Birth Gender: Female Birth Date: 1 Jan 1870 Birthplace: Malin, Don, Ire Recorded in: Donegal, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: John DOHERTY Mother: Ellen MC CARN Source: FHL Film 101201 Dates: 1870 - 1870 --------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------- DOHERTY, James Birth Gender: Male Birth Date: 30 Aug 1869 Birthplace: 140, Malin, Don, Ire Recorded in: Donegal, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: Dennis DOHERTY Mother: Catherine MC LAUGHLIN Source: FHL Film 101191 Dates: 1869 - 1870 DOHERTY, James Birth Gender: Male Birth Date: 22 Oct 1870 Birthplace: 143, Malin, Don, Ire Recorded in: Donegal, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: Andrew DOHERTY Mother: Mary GOBBIN Source: FHL Film 101216 Dates: 1870 - 1870 DOHERTY, James Birth Gender: Male Birth Date: 9 Oct 1871 Birthplace: 154,malin,don,ire Recorded in: Donegal, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: Didley DOHERTY Mother: Bridget TOLAN Source: FHL Film 255833 Dates: 1871 - 1872 DOHERTY, James Birth Gender: Male Birth Date: 27 Nov 1873 Birthplace: Malin, Don, Ire Recorded in: Donegal, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: Philip DOHERTY Mother: Margery MONAGLE Source: FHL Film 255889 Dates: 1873 - 1875

Hi Janice, Are you related to the following FRIELs? FRIEL, Hugh FRIEL, John FRIEL, Patrick They all came from Donegal, 1848, 1846, 1846 prospectively. I have info on their Naturalization in Delaware Co., PA . If you would like that info please let me know. :) Happy Holiday's, Helen

In a message dated 12/9/2003 5:05:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, HMWEBBER writes: Are you related to the following FRIELs? FRIEL, Hugh FRIEL, John FRIEL, Patrick They all came from Donegal, 1848, 1846, 1846 prospectively. I have info on their Naturalization. If you would like that info please let me know. :) Hi Helen I am related to John Friel who came to America in 1855. Janice

Maragert My friel family is from Beefpark, Mountcharles, County Donegal. It is about 3 miles from the town of Donegal. On our last trip in July we found the family home. It was in ruins and owned by Mr. Kelly, who we met and told us wonderful stories about our family. He was a spry 80+ years old. Our Friel came to Philadelphia, Pa and some settled in Delaware also. My family now lives in the burbs of Philadelphia. A beautiful country area with lots of farms and horses. It has built up too much over the years, though. Our gggrandfather Bryan Friel is as far as we go back. His son John Friel came to America in 1855 and one other brother William. The rest of the children stayed in Ireland and lived at the family home in Beefpark. Janice In a message dated 12/9/2003 3:41:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, conaught2@charter.net writes: Hi Janice, Where in Donegal are your relatives from? My Grandmother Catherine Doherty Smith was born in 1870 in Ballyhillion, Malin Head, Ireland's most northerly townland. I have a cousin who still lives there. Recently received an email from somebody in Kansas City who was asking about his relatives in Ballyhillion. Turns out he was my missing link for my Great Grandmother Mary Houten Doherty's family. With his information was also able to connect another person who we have never been able to figure out how or if he fit into our family. Turns out the missing link, Mike was this other person's second cousin. They are both my 3rd cousins. I was in Ireland for 5 weeks in August and September, Donegal in September. There was a Friel who went to high school with my daughter. The mother said that her husband had a family house in Donegal but she couldn't remember where it was. I live between Wastsonville and Aptos, California. These Friels would be any chance related to you? Beannachtai, Margaret

DROMORE (KILLYMARD PARISH) 1. Sims Alexander 2. Bogle Samuel 3. Bogle Samuel 4. Meehan James 5. Burns James 6. Brogan James 7. McGruddy James 8. McCafferty John 9. Monahan James 10. Monahan William 11. Monahan Patrick 12. Martin Mary 13. Conaghan Robert 14. Spence Robert 15. Porter John 16. McCahill James 17. Monahan Patrick 18. Lipsett James 19. Conaghan John 20. Montgomery Thomas 21. Rankin William 22. Sims Robert 23. Boyce Jeremiah 24. Bogle Thomas 25. Harahy Michael 26. Thomas Anne 27. Breslin Edward 28. Maguire Hugh 29. Harvey Catherine 30. O'Donnell Donnell 31. Flaherty Denis 32. Flaherty Denis 33. Flaherty Patrick 34. Conaghan Susan 35. Conaghan Susan 36. O'Donnell Charles 37. Flaherty Edward 38. McGinley James 39. Irwin William 40. Griffin Michael 41. Bogle John 42. Irwin George 43. O'Donnell Francis 44. Flaherty Edward 45. Hahy Connell 46. Lipsett James 47. Lipsett John 48. Flaherty Edward 49. Gray Robert DRUMANEARY William Duncan James Duncan John Duncan Cornelius Mulreany Andrew Mulreany Charles Mulreany Margaret Jervis Thomas Hamilton John Long Joseph Long Hugh Scott Henry Cunnahan James Cunnahan Hugh Freel Arthur Jervis Hugh Jervis James O'Donnell Patrick Miller Hugh Miller John Miller DRUMARK 1. Gallinagh Henry Stewart H,G.M. 2. Gallinagh John 3. Delase James 4. Gallinagh James 5. Gallinagh John 6. Duncan John 7. Kilpatrick William 8. Coulter Arthur 9. Birky Thomas DRUMBAR Monaghan John Cassidy Francis Cassidy Widow Grier Andrew Bustard Robert Hamilton Alexander Scanlan James Thomas Patrick Cassidy William Madden Michael Flood James DRUMBEAGH Charles Meehan Owen Meehan Cornelius McNeely Anthony McNeely William Montgomery Peter McHugh Edward Brogan Mary Conaghan Patrick Byrne Owen Byrne James Montgomery Daniel Magrath James Dunion Catherine Kinahan Samuel Cassidy Anne Gildea Hugh Meehan James Cannon Henry Colvin Charles McGroarty Thomas Brogan Catherine McGroarty John McGroarty Susan Harvey Catherine Quinn Patrick Meehan Charles Meehan Charles Meehan-jun. Patrick Conwell Hugh Scott Thomas Boner Cornelius Delvin Owen Dunion Anne Meehan DRUMCLIFF 1.Earl of Arran 2. Adair John 3. Brigham James 4. Bell John 5. Mulhearn Anthony 6. Coulter Allan 7. Williamson William 8. Spence Jacob 9. Smullen James 10. Dever George 11. Walker Margaret DRUMCOE Richard Graham Thomas Conaghan Charles Dorreen Michael Dorreen Charles Dorreen Michael Dorreen Michael Dorreen Charles Hagerty Michael Kerin Edward Kennedy James Hely Elizabeth Dorreen Patrick Hely James Campbell Andrew Campbell Francis Donnell James Fitzsimons Patrick McCaul Patrick Brogan Anne O'Connell Hugh Millar (jun) John Keeny John Maguire George Millar (jun) Patrick Millar National School Hse. George Hugh Millar Patrick Millar (jun) Patrick Millar (sen) Francis Furey Patrick Millar (sen) Neal Ward James McCollion Patrick Friel ]Owen Friel Hugh Elliott DRUMCONOR Hugh Scott Edward Brogan John Harkin James McGlashin Catherine Gillespie Peter Quinn John Scott Thomas Mcloughlin John Harahy (jun) Patrick Harahy Michael Glacken Patrick meehan John Harahy (jun) Patrick Harahy Margaret Harahy William Duncan John Stewart John Boyle Denis Murray Maragert Long Patrick McGroarty William Kirk George Munealy Frederick Watt Patrick Kavanagh Catherine Munealy Patrick Byrne DRUMGORMAN James McCahill Hugh McCahill Thomas Carr Anne Mulreany Sarah Byrne Phelim Meehan John O'Neill Anne Boyle Michael Byrne John Vance John Blayney John Blayney Hugh Stewart James Stewart William Wilson Maragert Conaghan Alex Vance Matthew Millar James Cannon Patrick Vance Janice

Margaret I will let you know when I find something. Funny though, I was In Ireland in 2002, too. Janice

Janice, A couple of quick thoughts/questions: 1. When my great-granduncle (Francis Curran from Inishbofin, Co. Donegal) died in Australia in 1921, the person who reported it was a Hannah Friel. Any connections? No I don't have any Hannah's 2. On Doughtertys, I am looking for a Charles Dougherty in Phila. who married a Maggie/Peggy Coll (also from Inishbofin). Maggie/Peggy died in 1933-1935 in Philadelphia. Is this in your line? I do have Mary A. Doughtery who married William Friel. I don't have any information on Mary only that she was born in Ireland. William Friel was born Beefpark, MountCharles, Donegal. They both died in Delaware. Janice

Hi Janice, Go raibh matih agat (thank you). Didn't find him in the Ellis Island site, but will check again, possibly the age is listed wrong. That would be wonderful if you could check the next time you go to the Philadelphia Archives. I would be most grateful. This James is a mystery in the family. Several years ago the O'Dochartaigh Clan sent some family information listing him. All my cousins said it was incorrect information and that there wasn't any James in the family. My Grandmother had told my Dad there were 13 children, but we only knew of 7. When in Malin Head in 2002 had the opportunity to see the church records and sure enough there was James and even another brother John, who looks like he could have been my Grandmother's twin. My Grandmother died in 1922 so our branch of the family lost contact with the Irish cousins. Thank you again. Beannachtai (blessings) Margaret (Mairead) ----- Original Message ----- From: JANICEFRIEL@aol.com To: DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:14 AM Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] Dougherty/Doherty of Pennsylvania Margaret Have you checked out Ellis Island site? There are a few James Doherty's in Malin Head and alot in Donegal. Malin head 1915 age 22 1922 age 6 1911 age 24 1910 age 30 Doesn't look like the ages are right, but maybe these are relatives, since they all came from Malin Head. Next time I'm at the Phila. Archives, I will see if there is a James Doherty in Phila. after 1907. Janice Friel ==== DONEGALEIRE Mailing List ==== Visit my Donegal Homepage at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237