In a message dated 12/19/2003 7:52:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, christi417@earthlink.net writes: Dear Janice, Thank you so much for posting all this wonderful information. My Kelley's McAuley's were married in "Black Rock" and I see that there IS a townland of Black Rock. What does the little plus sign in front of it mean? Thank you so much. Chris Coleman CHRIS THE BOOK DOESN'T INDICATE WHAT THE (+) IS, BUT I DID NOTICE THAT ALL THE TOWNLANDS WITH THAT MARK HAVE NO HOUSES OR INHABITANTS. MAYBE SOMEONE ON THE LIST MAY KNOW. JANICE

Hello Jackie. In this sort of case, where we are working with transcriptions, I find it helpful to put myself into the situation of someone reading and trying to transcribe --- NOT typewritten wording -- but rather: words in running handwriting -- often unclear, often from blurred microfilm, microfiche, or photostat copies. In doing this, I try to visualise how the two different but similar names might look in such running writing -- and then it is often possible to see how the alternative reading occurred. Of course this is not a foolproof method, but it can be valuable in trying to move forward a little -- but will still need some other confirmation from a different source. Hoping that this helps. Ray in Sydney, Australia on a glorious boiling hot, lovely summer's day. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Crawford" <jackie@therapypets.com> To: <DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > I am wondering what others think regarding the name of one of the villages > listed below. > The village listed was spelled > as Carricknaliorar in Ballyshannon, County Donegal. > > My question: could this really be Carricknahorna, as Janice writes was the > name of one of the villages in Ballyshannon? I am desperate for any > information to expand upon this dead-end in my family research. Jackie >

You could also try www.1837online.com This has the official BMD from the Public Record Office. It will only give the GRO reference which enables you to order a certificate more cheaply than just giving ONS (Office of National Statistics) the approximate date of birth. The site does charge but it is a relatively small fee. I had a few units spare from my last foray on the site and I checked the Jul-Sep quarter for Barclay. No William. There was a William Barclay born in the next quarter Oct -Dec 1846 The reference is Vol 2 Page 457. Registrar's district was Stepney (an area in East London) You would need to order the certificate if you think it is your William. See www.statistics.gov.uk for costs etc. It may take some time if you are overseas as the on line ordering applies to UK residents. Once you have the location you can then search census records and local records. Rachel snip....... > I am trying to find my GGGrand Parents from Ireland. > Thomas BARCLAY & Ellen BEVAN they were both born there. > In 1846 they married in England and had my GGrandFather > William BARCLAY he was born July 1846 in England. > > I have no idea where?? the census here in USA just says England. > I don't know if there is a census for those years. > I found all this information on William's marriage certicate. > I have been all over the net trying to get more information with no luck. > > I did find Thomas 60 & Ellen 53, listed in the 1870 census in Richmond > New York.But nothing in the other census that match them both. > > It would help if I knew where in England they lived.I'm also trying to find > out if William had any sibleys.

Yes Maureen the literal Gaelic translation would be land of O'Neil and the townland has been in existence since the very early years of record keeping, however Tironeil is not mentioned in that particular book, for whatever the reason. I'll keep searching though! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Gallagher" <mgallagh@colba.net> To: <DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [DONEGALEIRE] CLONLEIGH 1821 CENSUS CON'T > Doesn't Tironeil just mean land of O'Neil? As for spellings, one townland > Clonclayagh is also spelled Cloncleigha, and Cloncleigh. I think it's the > english pronunciation and the gaelic one as well as whoever spelled it when > they wrote it down. > > Maureen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <JANICEFRIEL@aol.com> > To: <DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:56 PM > Subject: Re: [DONEGALEIRE] CLONLEIGH 1821 CENSUS CON'T > > > > In a message dated 12/17/2003 4:19:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > ancabhan@taconic.net writes: > > Looking at Clonleigh, I wonder is there no listing for Tironeil ? It is a > > townland within the bounds of Clonleigh and my family has lived there > since > > at least 1826. > > > > don't know why, but it's not listed. > > > > Janice > > > > > > ==== DONEGALEIRE Mailing List ==== > > If you wish to subscribe or unsubscribe from the Donegaleire list send an > email to DONEGALEIRE-L-request@rootsweb or > DONEGALEIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com In the email put just the word > unsubscribe. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== DONEGALEIRE Mailing List ==== > Try searching the Obituaries at Rootsweb: Interactive search > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/obituary/obituary.pl > To browse through the archives of the list go to > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > Visit my homepage at http://freepages.genealogy.com/~donegaleire > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Dear Janice, Thank you so much for posting all this wonderful information. My Kelley's McAuley's were married in "Black Rock" and I see that there IS a townland of Black Rock. What does the little plus sign in front of it mean? Thank you so much. Chris Coleman

In a message dated 12/19/2003 1:56:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, ablee@bellsouth.net writes: Janice, Would you have any information on Killaghtee Parish and Bruckless within Killaghtee Parish? Ruth Ruth I think it is a little too north to be in this book. Janice

Janice, Would you have any information on Killaghtee Parish and Bruckless within Killaghtee Parish? Ruth

From: EDWARD D COSTELLO <costello13@juno.com> To: editor-rwr@rootsweb.com Subject: Fw: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ed1009/ HAGGERTY-LAVERTY-COSTELLO-JOYCE Families, Update 2004, with narrative, pix &docs of their trek during the early to mid 19thC from Co Armagh, Co Donegal & Co Mayo in Ireland to Canada & the USA; and , ultimately, in N. America from NS in the east to AK, BC & HI in the west. Also included are the related/collateral family's of McGuire, Spencer, Lynch, Haskell, Kiley, Grey, Curtis, Abernathy, Brown, Kelly, Day, Smith, Abbott, Denning, Douarin, Fahey, Hibert, Hanson, McKenny, Dower. Donovan, Langan, Elliot, Sharkey, McKinnon, Lee, Diblee, Rourke etc. All The Best, ED COSTELLO, ..... 1009.Blenheim.Dr.Raleigh.NC.27612 USA e-mail: <costello13@juno.com> Website: < http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ed1009/ > COSTELLO (FAHEY): Co Mayo Ireland > CT, MA, ME USA > USA; JOYCE (DOWER): Co Mayo Ireland > MA USA; HAGGERTY (McGUIRE): Co Donegal Ireland > NB Canada > ME USA > USA; LAVERTY (BROWN), (KELLY): Co Armagh Ireland > NB Canada > ME, CA USA > USA, Canada.

Thanks to everyone who responded to my query about Moyle, Donegal! Does anyone know of a map on-line that will show its location? Thanks again, Joanne

BALLYBROLLAGHAN Barry Patrick, Mary, Mary Bradley William Breslin Joseph, Anne, Kate, Grace, Charles, Ellen, Edward, Joe, Joe, Mary, Owen, Charles Campbell Mary Cannon Mary Clancy Maggie Diver Patrick, Mary, Bridget Doherty John, Annie Friel Charles, Maggie Gallagher Mary, Michael, Patrick Harvey Mary, Charles Kelly Jane, Joseph Keeney Mary Kennedy Patrick, Mary Montgomery Ellen, Robert Veronica Moohan Ellen, Maggie, John, William - Glasgow McCallig Margaret, Patrick McCollion Bernard, Rose McDevitt John, Mary McGrath Mary, Bridget, Charles H., Charles McGroarty John, Ellen McNeely Charles, Mary, Bernard Sweeney Gerald, Annie Ward Ellen BALLYDEVITT Bushe Joseph, Margaret Cassidy George, Bridget, Charles Diver Con McKelvey Maggie McNulty Denis, Mary Wilson Edward, Ellen, Minna, Alex (belfast abode) Wray William, Minnie, William (jun) BALLYDEVITT BEG Bresland Connell, Bridget Furey Bridget, Connell Gallagher Mary Gallenagh Thomas, Maggie Gillespie James, Ellen Sweeney Mary, Annie, Mary White Andrew, Emily, Enid, Ely Wilson Andrew BEEFPARK Byrne Frederick Duffy Ellen (abode USA) Gallagher Anne, Cassie, John (liverpool) Griffin Albert, Cassie Hammond John, Maggie- This is my family John Hammond & Maggie Friel McGraorty Joseph, Bridget, Lizzie, John If anyone is related to any of these families, I have pictures of the homes. BRIDGE DTREET Barnes Mary Barron James Dickson James Diver Jack, Mary Gallagher Christopher, Marita, Patrick, Mary, Kate, Jim, Aloysius, Alphonsus Gillespie Mary Hassard Christena Hegarty John Hogge Nora Kee Harriett, Annie Meehan Agnes, Patrick Melly James Millea John Mullin James McCafferty Lily McGinn Joseph, Bridget McGready Bridget McGroarty John, Mary, Jack McLaughlin Margaret Scarff Sarah Timoney Albert, Harriet, Alfred, Mary Ward Mary, Maggie Watson Phyllis, Queenie, William, Martha BROOKFIELD Brodbin James Weir William, James Stevenson William (abode: Ballyshannon) BUNCRONAN Devenny Kate, Mary Devine James Millar, Rebecca, Robert McAndrew John, Mary, Ellen, Nan, Patrick Stewart Anne, Anne, Ellen, James, Louisa, Cassie, William, James, James, Lucy Wilson John, Bob, Lucy, Barbara, Mary, William CASTLE STREET Brogan Catherine, Josephine Carr Desmond, Patrick, Bridget, Bridie Connaghan Charles, Mary Crossan Edward Dunnion Rose Gildea William, Rose Hegarty Michael, Nellie Kennedy Cassie, James, Catherine Kilfedder Jack Lawn William, Joseph, Bridget Martin Maggie, Cassie Mullin Frank, Alice Mullan Gertrude McClosekey Joseph, Maggie McEnhill James, Kathleen McGarrigle James, Minnie, Chaarles, Veronica O'Donnell Doreen, John Walsh Margaret CHURCH STREET Brown Charles, Mary, William Harkin Susan, Dan, Joseph, Josephine, Mary, Susan, John Kelly John, Mary Kerrigan Margaret McGlanaghy Michael, Maggie O'Donnel Hugh, Katie, Thomas, Maggie Janice

Sorry - that should read William's birth entry!! I see an entry for a William BARCLAY registered in Stepney in the December quarter 1846. Unfortunately there's no way of knowing whether this is the correct entry, other than sending for the certificate. Jeanette. ----- Original Message ----- From: "J de Montalk" <jmdemontalk@clear.net.nz> To: <DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [DONEGALEIRE] Re:Barclay & Bevan Families?? > Dear Vicky, > > Do you have the marriage certificate for your g.g.grandparents Thomas > BARCLAY & Ellen BEVAN?That would probably be your best starting place, as it > would give an address. > > Have you tried searching on the freebmd indexes > http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > > These are not yet complete but you might find the entry you need. > If that fails you could try searching on the same database for Thomas's > birth entry. You'll then need to send for the appropriate certificate from > England. > > If you find an address you could then try the 1851 census. Sometimes people > on the list will search it for you, or you can order the film of the census > from a LDS (Mormon) family History Centre. > > Hope this helps. > > Jeanette.(NZ) > > > > > I am trying to find my GGGrand Parents from Ireland. > > Thomas BARCLAY & Ellen BEVAN they were both born there. > > In 1846 they married in England and had my GGrandFather > > William BARCLAY he was born July 1846 in England. > > > > I have no idea where?? the census here in USA just says England. > > I don't know if there is a census for those years. > > I found all this information on William's marriage certicate. > > I have been all over the net trying to get more information with no luck. > > > > I did find Thomas 60 & Ellen 53, listed in the 1870 census in Richmond > > New York.But nothing in the other census that match them both. > > > > ==== DONEGALEIRE Mailing List ==== > Visit my Donegal Homepage at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Dear Vicky, Do you have the marriage certificate for your g.g.grandparents Thomas BARCLAY & Ellen BEVAN?That would probably be your best starting place, as it would give an address. Have you tried searching on the freebmd indexes http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ These are not yet complete but you might find the entry you need. If that fails you could try searching on the same database for Thomas's birth entry. You'll then need to send for the appropriate certificate from England. If you find an address you could then try the 1851 census. Sometimes people on the list will search it for you, or you can order the film of the census from a LDS (Mormon) family History Centre. Hope this helps. Jeanette.(NZ) > > I am trying to find my GGGrand Parents from Ireland. > Thomas BARCLAY & Ellen BEVAN they were both born there. > In 1846 they married in England and had my GGrandFather > William BARCLAY he was born July 1846 in England. > > I have no idea where?? the census here in USA just says England. > I don't know if there is a census for those years. > I found all this information on William's marriage certicate. > I have been all over the net trying to get more information with no luck. > > I did find Thomas 60 & Ellen 53, listed in the 1870 census in Richmond > New York.But nothing in the other census that match them both.

Doesn't Tironeil just mean land of O'Neil? As for spellings, one townland Clonclayagh is also spelled Cloncleigha, and Cloncleigh. I think it's the english pronunciation and the gaelic one as well as whoever spelled it when they wrote it down. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: <JANICEFRIEL@aol.com> To: <DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [DONEGALEIRE] CLONLEIGH 1821 CENSUS CON'T > In a message dated 12/17/2003 4:19:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, > ancabhan@taconic.net writes: > Looking at Clonleigh, I wonder is there no listing for Tironeil ? It is a > townland within the bounds of Clonleigh and my family has lived there since > at least 1826. > > don't know why, but it's not listed. > > Janice > > > ==== DONEGALEIRE Mailing List ==== > If you wish to subscribe or unsubscribe from the Donegaleire list send an email to DONEGALEIRE-L-request@rootsweb or DONEGALEIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com In the email put just the word unsubscribe. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Jackie at jackie@therapypets.com writes: << The village listed was spelled as Carricknaliorar in Ballyshannon, County Donegal. My question: could this really be Carricknahorna, as Janice writes was the name of one of the villages in Ballyshannon? >> Jackie, I'd vote yes. Firstly, there are no other townlands in the Ballyshannon area which are even close in spelling. Secondly, I think I could create a scenario which could make the two names more similar.....especially, I can see how a tall "l" and a short "i" could merge to become the tall-short letter "h". The last two letters are tougher, but I think we're already close enough to call it "a match". Carricknahorna townland is quite large, at 2337 acres, and lies between 4 and 5 miles NE to ENE of Ballyshannon town, in Kilbarron civil parish. Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

At 09:22 18/12/2003 -0500, Mary Ann wrote: >I'm begging someone (anyone) to tell me how to unsubscribe from this list - >Please, please, please! (The pages always say how to join, but I cannot >find anywhere to "unjoin." Thank you. > >EVERY LIFE IS PRECIOUS, FROM CONCEPTION TO NATURAL DEATH >MARY ANN SWEENEY It's all on the Donegaleire list page: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/DONEGALEIRE.html Quote: Unsubscribing. To leave DONEGALEIRE-L, send mail to DONEGALEIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word unsubscribe in the message subject and body. To leave DONEGALEIRE-D, do the same thing with DONEGALEIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com Michael

Hello List I am trying to find my GGGrand Parents from Ireland. Thomas BARCLAY & Ellen BEVAN they were both born there. In 1846 they married in England and had my GGrandFather William BARCLAY he was born July 1846 in England. I have no idea where?? the census here in USA just says England. I don't know if there is a census for those years. I found all this information on William's marriage certicate. I have been all over the net trying to get more information with no luck. I did find Thomas 60 & Ellen 53, listed in the 1870 census in Richmond New York.But nothing in the other census that match them both. It would help if I knew where in England they lived.I'm also trying to find out if William had any sibleys. Thank You for any help you can give. Happy Holidays Victoria Barclay Strauch ----- Original Message ----- From: <DONEGALEIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <DONEGALEIRE-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 1:00 AM Subject: DONEGALEIRE-D Digest V03 #199

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ABERNADOORNEY Furey Anastasia Gildea, Con, Bridget, Mary, Jerry McManus Ellen, Francis Quinn High, Agnes ALTADOO Breslin Mary, Daniel Brennan John, Margaret Campbell Joh, Sarah, John, Mary Diver Mary Gallagher Connell, Teresa. Hugh, Edward Gillespie Pat Hammond William Kennedy Anne, Thomas Meehan Margaret, Ambrose, Patrick Moohan John, Cassie McGinley Mary, Michael McKelvey Margaret, Margaret, James, Daniel, William Quinn James, Mary Torrens Hugh, Margaret, Samuel, William, Fanny Wilson Jack, Lizzie Wray Hugh, Lizz, percy ARDAGHEY GLEBE Brennan Veronia Gallagher Patrick, Daniel Maggie Gillespie Anne, Charles, Alfhonus, Kathleen, Francis, Rose, Bernatd, Neil, Paddy, Mary Griffin Rose, Rose, Teresa Harvey Neil, Mary Kennedy Francis, Anne, Francis, Mary, Cahir Murphy, Rev. J.J. C.C. McCafferty Annie McDaid Patrick McGinley Willie, Hanna McGonigle Sam, Cassie, James McHugh Maggie, James, John, Denis, Maggie McGettigan John McNeely Willie, John O'Donnell Hugh, Bridget, Michael Rose Mary, William, William, Maggie, Paddy, Andrew, Michael Shanaghan Tom, William, Bridget, Willie Tolan Henry ARDCHICKEN Brogan James, Bridget Temple Fanny, Aubrey ARDESKIN McGroarty James, Sarah, Nellie McMullin Jack, Maggie ARDLENAGH Curruston Margaret BALLYBOYLE Boyd James, Mary Gould Johanna, Lavinia, Charles Henderson Minnie, Tom McAtamney Thomas, Eliza, William, Joseph Perry James, Joseph, Catherine, Elizabeth Stevenson James, Sarah Janice

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In a message dated 12/17/2003 6:27:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, jfpolk@earthlink.net writes: Thanks for the feedback. I have one other question if I could impose on you again - does the placename Broomfield pop up in the Ordnance Survey index? It should be located in the area of Ballendrait. No, it doesn't, but it does have something about.Ballindrait. Ballindrait On the road from Lifford to Raphoe is the largest village in the parish. Here a presbyterian meeting house, the Roman Catholic chapel and the residence of the Roman Catholic priest adjoining it are situated on the road between Ballindrait and Lifford. Ballindrait contains 134 houses, of which 4 are public, 1 corn mill, 1 flax mill, 3 forges and 348 inhabitants, 166 males, 182 females. Janice