Hi listers. My Gt- Uncle, Joseph Benjamin Graham, emigrated to Canada and studied at Toronto University. He became a druggist. Does anyone know whether there is a list of pupils sometime after 1898. Many thanks Muriel

<!-- SNIP --> Similarly, my Donegal ancestors, who came from an agricultural background in Ireland, found work in Glasgow in the 1840's in the Iron foundaries. . . . I'll post the little detail I have on the above to anyone interested. <!-- ENDSNIP --> Yes please Michael! Thanks in advance Slan Henry --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.580 / Virus Database: 367 - Release Date: 06/02/2004

Hello I'm not aware of mines in Co Donegal. The only mines I know of in the northen half of Ireland were in Down & in the Ulster Coal Field. There were 11 coal mines in operation in the Ulster Coal Field in 1880, all in Co Tyrone, in the Dungannon/Coalisland area. I know there was at least one silver/lead mine in the south of Co Down in the 19th centuary. Most of my ancestors worked in the mines (or pits as we call them in the north east of England) when they first arrived in England, from the Ireland; so I've taken an interest for some time in mining in Ireland (or at least the northern half of the country). l've done no original research, but, I'm not aware of mines in Ireland other than the ones mentioned above. It's my impression that at the time of mass Irish Immigration to north east England (1840's - the late 1800's) the demand for labour in the basis industries, coal & Iron/steel production, was great and the Irish were draw into this work, because they were prepared for hard work. Similarly, my Donegal ancestors, who came from an agricultural background in Ireland, found work in Glasgow in the 1840's in the Iron foundaries. I've yet to discover any of my ancestors having a background in either Iron or Coal in Ireland. I think this may also have been the case with Irish immigrants to the USA. I'll post the little detail I have on the above to anyone interested. Best Wishes Michael Burns

List Members, (cross posting) Have updated my site with Griffith Evaluation data for surnames beginning with "K". There are 1748 names listed on two (2) pages, the last K page also includes surnames beginning with "Mc K" The census data for ED district of Pettigo/Grousehall/Tirhugh/Templcarn/ Townlands of: Aghafoy, Ardnaglass, Aghalough There are no people living in Ardnaglass, only a Mill. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hiflyte/ Enjoy Bob Cdn.

Hello Inishowen Listers ! Where were the distilleries located in Inishowen during the early 1800"s ? Thank you. Mary

Prior experience in mining was not necessary to becoming a miner in the United Sates. So far as I know, none of my Donegal ancestors had worked in any sort of mine prior to settling in northeastern Pennsylvania (around Hazleton PA), but most of them found employment mining coal. In fact, my greatgrandfather died in a mine accident. Mining was simply hard, dirty, dangerous work, and - like canal digging and railroad work - among the few occupations available to recent immigrants. The Irish were often seen as a source of cheap and expendable labor. It puts me in mind of a lyric from the recent song "Far Away Boys" by the band Flogging Molly: We buried four workmen/ They dug themselves well/ >From four empty coffins, to four early graves. They're only paddys, just paddys/ Don't dig them too deep/ You'll need all your strength, boys/ And they're replaced easily. Regards, Jim - researching MUNDIE (MUNDY, McLOONE, MacALOON, MacLUAIN, Mac GIOLLA UAIN) from Glenties ________________________________________ James Mundie Philadelphia PA, U.S.A. Prodigies: Anomalous Humans by James G. Mundie http://www.missioncreep.com/mundie/images/

Thanks so much to everyone on the Donegal postal information. I'll send off my letter! Heather X-Message: #2 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:09:48 -0000 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?P.J._=D3_Domhnaill?=" <solas@gofree.indigo.ie> To: DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000201c3e140$8a7fe560$b9cefea9@i2d4y0> Subject: Re: [DONEGALEIRE] Donegal postal information Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Heather, There are no postal or zip codes. The full address is: Derrybeg, Letterkenny, Co. Donegal, Ireland. __________________________________________________________________ New! Unlimited Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Act now to get a personalized email address! Netscape. Just the Net You Need.

Apologies - I forgot the URL http://www.workhouses.org.uk/ Rachel

began an avalanche! :-) but reading through the replies is *very* interesting - keep them coming and thanks. The first thing I am going to do is go through Lewis 1837 and see where he tells us that there was mining of any sort going on in Ireland at that time - I've often seen people ask on mail lists where there were mines in this or that county - and we don't have that many mines nowadays, and we didn't when I was learning geography and history at school - but, according to Lewis we had a fair amount of it going on through the whole country. I remember a piece on somewhere in Wicklow where he said that gold had been found and he spoke of the numbers of people who went to Wicklow to find gold. I remember telling myself to send that to the general lists - Ireland-L and Y-IRL with the subject line Gold Rush - don't know if I ever did or not. Anyway......I'm going to begin with a list of where the mines were according to Lewis - then I'm going to look at all the posts I've received either thorugh lists or off list and see which counties people say their ancestors came from or which parts of Donegal and where they went to.......and whether there seems to be any connection on a time line............ and if it looks like they left a certain part of Ireland and went to a certain place during a particular time frame - then I'll take a look at the newspapers of the time for the place they left from or originated and see if any ads were in those papers at that time. and that lot - will keep me busy for a while. Once I have the list of places that there were mines of some sort in Ireland put together, then I'll post that to the general lists, and put it on my web site - and I will post whatever I have found Donegal to the Donegal lists. I will try to get to people individually over the next week or so. I dived in right at the deep end with this one, but it is looking extremely interesting. Thank you Jane

Hello All, If you think your ancestors may have signed the Ulster Covenant in 1912 but can't find them then leave the surname space blank and put in a possible district from the list. The list contains Canada and the US, among others, and will give a list of those people away from the UK who signed the covenant. By accident I found out that Fermanagh is also covered by the parliamentary district of Lisbellaw. Rob Doragh Liverpool UK _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband

Jane - There was a group of Ulster Scots who emigrated from Donegal to Somerset County Maryland, on the Chesapeake Bay, in the 1680's. I believe this was the earliest recognizable such group in America and was a precursor to the much more sustained Ulster Scot emigrations in the 18th century. This movement was initiated by a letter in 1680 from Colonel William Stevens, one of the Commissioners of Somerset, to the Presbytery of Laggan asking that they send a "godly minister" to serve the settlers in that area. As a result of this letter, Francis Makemie, originally from Ramelton, but schooled in Scotland, sailed for Somerset in 1683 where he established the first and oldest Presbyterian congregation in America. He was accompanied or followed by several other ministers and quite a few other families. Among these were Alexander, Caldwell, Finlay, Pollock, Knox, Owens, Stevenson, Wilson, Wallace. This movement continued in strength for about a decade, but after the Battle of the Boyne, the forces that impelled this group to leave Ireland and seek their fortunes elsewhere went away, and the emigrations abated. A contemporary quote recognizing the presence of this group is found in a 1692 letter from Edward Randolph, an official in neighboring Virginia, reading as follows: "I hear he has continued Major King to be the Navall Officer in Somerset County, a place pestred with Scotch & Irish. About 200 families have within the two years arrived from Ireland & settled in your County besides some hundred of families there before." In Maryland any newly patented lands were given a name by the person for whom they was surveyed, and in some cases names wee chosen in memory of the person's place of origin. Some of the tract names used in Somerset at this time were Ballybuggin, Kirkminster, Ballendrait, Rapho, Ballyshannon, Camp, Desert, Castle Fine, Monyn, Clonlett. Maryland was quite unique among the colonies at that time in its religious tolerance, a policy that was formally enacted by the Maryland Assembly in 1649. The motivation behind this may have been a pragmatic accommodation by the Proprietor, Lord Baltimore, who was a Catholic, to the political realities of the English Court at the time, but it was nevertheless a rare example of enlightenment in an era of intense religious conflict. It was just this circumstance that led William Stevens, a member of the establishment church, in an area first settled by Quakers within a Catholic colony, to request the services of a Presbyterian minister, a very unlikely act when you think about it. One can only contemplate with sadness how totally different the history of Ireland would have been if such a law had been enacted there in 1649 instead of what actually transpired. John Polk > [Original Message] > From: Jane Lyons <sniliaghin@iol.ie> > To: <DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 2/6/2004 6:39:27 PM > Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] Where were the mines? > > I know from my own family history, that my Donegal ancestors ended up in > Annaconda..........as did lots of other Donegal and Cavan people........and > that it was a mining town or area. > > Where else in the U.S. did Irish people end up in mines, working as miners? > Did they come from specific areas of Ireland where there were mines? > (whatever kind). Were they people who had worked in mining in Ireland and > then travelled to do the same kind of work in the U.S. > > We all know that people seemed to move in groups from one place in Ireland > to somewhere in the States........ > > how many of those places that masses of Irish ended up in were mining > areas - and how many places of origin in Ireland had mining in their > localities. > > I know - there's no comparison between the whole of America and the various > places that have mines or had a mining industry - but it's the places in > Ireland from which masses moved to one particular spot in America during a > particular time frame that I'm looking for. > > Mainly Donegal to where and when - and from where in Donegal > > Thanks > > Jane > > > ==== DONEGALEIRE Mailing List ==== > To browse through the archives of the list go to > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > Visit my homepage at http://freepages.genealogy.com/~donegaleire > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --- John Polk --- Havre de Grace MD --- jfpolk@earthlink.net

In a message dated 2/7/04 4:15:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, DONEGALEIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > If anyone found an ancestor/relative on the Naturalization list I posted > (Co. Donegal, only), Dear Helen - Where this is posted, please - ~ Tamy

During the years of the famine in Ireland, it seems that many people from Donegal settled in the northeastern Pennsylvania. My ancestor, Richard Dougherty, from Donegal was one of them. He settled in Beaver Meadow, Carbon county. While he wasn't a miner, he did work as the blacksmith for the mines. He made tools for use in the mines and shoes for the mules that pulled the cars of coal. So, even if your ancestor wasn't a miner, they may have found work in the coal region. Some of the small towns that had coal mines in Carbon County were: Coleraine, Beaver Meadow, Nesquehoning, Summit Hill, Lansford, Park View, Audenreid and Jeansville. All these towns had many people from Donegal. Ed

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The little coal mining town of Summit Hill in Carbon County, PA is said to have had many of its people emigrate from Donegal. My own ancestors McHughs and Gallaghers came there from somewhere in southwest Donegal. Adjoining towns like Mauch Chunck in Carbon County and towns in neighboring Schuylkill County also had many, many coal miners who were of Irish descent. There were many patch towns in the region. Further to the north Scranton and Hazelton were also large mining centers. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: <DONEGALEIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <DONEGALEIRE-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 7:14 AM Subject: DONEGALEIRE-D Digest V04 #31

Hi list, Interesting topic -- many immigrants from Co. Donegal came to Delaware Co., PA because of the industry, especially in the borough of Chester. Later known as the city of Chester. In the Naturalization Records of Delaware Co., PA from 1795 to 1860 it is very evident that the largest influx of Irish were from Co. Donegal. Here is a report from a study I did of these record: Report on the Irish Naturalized in Delaware Co., PA bet. 1795 - 1860 Co. Antrim, Ireland 42 Co. Armagh, Ireland 23 Co. Carlow, Ireland 6 Co. Cavan, Ireland 7 Co. Clare, Ireland 2 Co. Cork, Ireland 22 Co. Derry, Ireland (Londonderry) 31 Co. Donegal, Ireland 269 Co. Down, Ireland 15 Co. Dublin, Ireland 7 Co. Fermanagh, Ireland 19 Co. Galway, Ireland 5 Co. Kerry, Ireland 1 Co. Kildare, Ireland 8 Co. Kilkenny, Ireland 5 Co. Kings, Ireland (Offaly) 9 Co. Leitrim, Ireland 1 Co. Limerick, Ireland 9 Co. Longford, Ireland 2 Co. Louth, Ireland 5 Co. Mayo, Ireland 7 Co. Meath, Ireland 14 Co. Monaghan, Ireland 2 Co. Queens, Ireland (Leix) 10 Co. Roscommon, Ireland 4 Co. Sligo, Ireland 6 Co. Tipperary, Ireland 10 Co. Tyrone, Ireland 50 Co. Waterford, Ireland 2 Co. Westmeath, Ireland 2 Co. Wexford, Ireland 4 Co. Wicklow, Ireland 2 Ireland, (Unknown) 69 Total 680 If anyone found an ancestor/relative on the Naturalization list I posted (Co. Donegal, only), & knows what townland &/or parish they came from -- I would very much like to do a study regarding this info. :) In later years, there were many people leaving the mining areas & coming to Chester. While doing research in Reading, Berks Co., PA -- I found adds/articles in their newspapers inviting people to come to Chester, Delaware Co., for work! Happy hunting, Helen (DCGS)

I know from my own family history, that my Donegal ancestors ended up in Annaconda..........as did lots of other Donegal and Cavan people........and that it was a mining town or area. Where else in the U.S. did Irish people end up in mines, working as miners? Did they come from specific areas of Ireland where there were mines? (whatever kind). Were they people who had worked in mining in Ireland and then travelled to do the same kind of work in the U.S. We all know that people seemed to move in groups from one place in Ireland to somewhere in the States........ how many of those places that masses of Irish ended up in were mining areas - and how many places of origin in Ireland had mining in their localities. I know - there's no comparison between the whole of America and the various places that have mines or had a mining industry - but it's the places in Ireland from which masses moved to one particular spot in America during a particular time frame that I'm looking for. Mainly Donegal to where and when - and from where in Donegal Thanks Jane

Hi Jane My grandfather and his brother and brother in law all emigrated to Scranton, Pennsylvania to work in the Coal Mines. From there, they went on to homestead in Nebraska. I read somewhere that Scranton, PA was a draw for people from Mayo. Peter and John, brothers, were both from Culnakillew, Addergoole Parish, Co. Mayo. I hear that Culnakillew now is still very rural with only a few homes. I have often wondered if there was a advertising push in newspapers to recruit people to work in the mines. I am sure word of mouth and following family was the surest way for them to wind up in these places. Peter came here with only a few cents in his pocket and by the time he died in 1920 he had outlived two wives, married a third (my grandmother) when he was 69, had three children by her, and left an estate worth 1/2 million dollars by todays value. Sad after all that hard work that the price of farmland was dropping precipitously, farmers had a harder and harder time getting loans. Businesses were still viable but crop prices where dropping. The executors of his properties couldn't even find anyone to work the land, let alone buy it at a reasonable price. They held on to the properties hoping things would get better until 1930 as the States slipped into the Great Depression. My grandmother raised her family on the equivalent of $550 a month in todays money for years before selling the property for a pittance of its worth. I know all this because I have a 103 pages from his file for his estate where everything was documented as to her allowance right down to the last piece of coal she bought to keep them warm. Imagine my suprise when I sent for a copy of his will and found that! She lived to be 93 and never mentioned it. Man, the stories that are out there that waiting to be found. Delia

Jane a chara, Anaconda, Montana, was a boom town in the late 1890s and early 1900s. Butte was the town where the copper was mined and Anaconda was the town where it was smeltered. Outside of Anaconda there was a huge hill of black ugly slag, it was the first thing you saw as you entered Anaconda.For many years Anaconda could boast that it had the highest stack in the world. Dad said that it was wide enough at the top to ride a buggy with a horse. My Donegal Grandmother Catherine Doherty Smith and her brother Patrick Doherty both from Ballyhillion, Malin Head, County Donegal first immigrated to Braddock, Pennsylvania. As the word spread about Anaconda, they moved westward about 1896. My Grandfather Michael Smith from Brackloon, Swinford, County Mayo first worked in the silver mines in Pueblo, Colorado then moved onto Anaconda in the late 1890s. When my Grandfather Michael Dowdall heard about Anaconda a friend told him that the town was paved in gold. He thought because of the copper mines and smelting that he could make a fortune. How wrong he was! Grandpa Dowdall was from County Derry and had first immigrated to North Attleboro, MA (25 southwest of Boston). Grandpa Dowdall immigrated to the U.S. in 1907 and moved to Anaconda abt 1916. Seems like almost every Doherty from Donegal who immigrated to the U.S. went to Pennsylvania (only kidding, but Dohertys are quite plentiful in Pennsylvania). Pennsylvania had the coal mines where the Molly Maguires came to prominence in disputes with the mine owners. Lots of Donegal people also worked in the steel mills in Braddock and Pittsburgh. Carnegie's U.S. Steel Company was based in Braddock, PA. This is a wee bit off topic, but my Great Grandfather Peter Flanagan from Kinghill, Newry, County Down went to Millom, District of Bootle, Cumbria to work in the iron mills as an iron worker. Many of the County Down people went over to the Millom area as iron workers. Many of them did it seasonally. My Great Grandfather stayed for a few years and then returned to County Down in the 1880s. Beannachtai, Margaret (Mairead)

Hello All, Helen Mark visited Donegal's Inishowen peninsula with BBC's Radio 4 programme "Open Country". You can hear the programme at any time during the next week by visiting http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/progs/listenagain.shtml and going to "Open Country". The website has some background to the programme or you can click on Listen to hear the programme which is about 25 minutes long. Rob Doragh Liverpool UK _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger