It's not so much the language barrier that's the problem it's a failure to appreciate Liam's mildly ironic sense of humour. (I appreciate it, just as I appreciate the glorious Berkshire hills or any other hills for that matter). And it brings out the difference in those who treat genealogy as an exercise in number counting and those who think it should be a bit wider than that. Rachel

Jim wrote <SNIP> This is a slur but what would one expect <END SNIP> Er no! It wasn't a slur. It was an enquiry for an explanation about something that someone didn't understand. I wouldn't want you to go back and change the way you did things after all this time. Then again I probably wouldn't want to join such a 'PRODUCTIVE' list! Slan Henry (icuricubicuryy4me) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.650 / Virus Database: 416 - Release Date: 04/04/2004

In a message dated 4/6/2004 9:47:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ernie.kraut@comcast.net writes: > Liam, > > I lived just up the road from Woburn, dated in Revere, and married in > Winthrop, - all > Massachussetts. I too, had to ponder a bit to decipher the posting (let my > imagination > soar ...). Perhaps we all need to go back to the practice of spelling out > everything > lest we appear as cryptic as the records we struggle to decipher. I can > imagine my > great granddaughter searching these archives and I'd like her to understand > my > contributions. if you have people in revere chelsea or wintrop you should check out MACHELSEA-L@rootsweb.com I'll get you cuzzs you didnt know you have Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.-sprague- and ever growing list Jim Denning

I am new to research in Ireland and am looking for the Donegal family of my g.g.grandfather, Moses Osborne, who stated in Canadian documents that he was born in County Donegal in 1794. The only other fact that I know is that he settled in New Brunswick, Canada in 1819 with at least one known relative, Miss Mary Osborne, born Co. Donegal about 1797. I believe they were most likely siblings, and that it is quite likely their father would have been named William. Thanks to some wonderful websites referenced on this list, I have managed to find where the name of William Osborne appears twice in the 1796 Flax Growers List, reference # 13786 Donegal & # 23971 Londonderry (I do not know what these numbers refer to). The 1796 Spinning Wheel Premium Entitlements List shows Osburn, William, living in Raphoe. The only other William Osborne reference I have found so far appears in the Wills and Deeds Index which shows that he was from Aughigatt and died in 1816. Could some kind person please tell me where I might find additional information about these William Osborne entries, or if there might be other records somewhere that could give a bit more information about him and his family? Please accept my apologies if you are receiving this message more than once. I have been told that all of the real experts are on the Donegal list, ... but they did not say which one. :-\ My sincere thanks for your time, Betty Ann in Western Canada

Hi Everyone, As listowner, it is my responsibility to make sure that this list continues to provide folks with a place to share information. The recent messages concerning the way information was presented in a message (RE:Genealogy and jargon) have turned into potential "Chain Messages", with everyone sending in their opinion, but not much research help to anyone. These messages must STOP immediately. With over 600 people on the list, we would be overwhelmed with email if everyone posted their opinion. If anyone finds a message especially troublesome or out of line, the proper procedure is to contact me privately at postalq@grnco.net and let me handle the situation. As of this post, please do not send any further posts to the list concerning the subject. If you feel the need to vent or scream, then that is what I am here for. Just send it to me off the list at postalq@grnco.net . On a personal note, I had elective surgery this past Thursday and got out of hospital on Sunday. I will be off work until at least May 1st, so I will pretty much be here 24-7. I plan to use some of the time to update my website and pass on any new information I come across. Thanks for all being such a great bunch of family, friends & fellow researchers. Carol - listowner postalq@grnco.net --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.620 / Virus Database: 399 - Release Date: 3/13/2004

Liam, I lived just up the road from Woburn, dated in Revere, and married in Winthrop, - all Massachussetts. I too, had to ponder a bit to decipher the posting (let my imagination soar ...). Perhaps we all need to go back to the practice of spelling out everything lest we appear as cryptic as the records we struggle to decipher. I can imagine my great granddaughter searching these archives and I'd like her to understand my contributions. Ernie Nashua, New Hampshire, USA ----------------------------------- > > > Subject: Genealogy and Jargon > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 11:06:16 +0100 > From: "L.Martin" <L.Martin@zen.co.uk> > To: DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com > > One of the problems associated with most serious subjects is that the > individuals engaged in its study construct a special vocabulary and set of > procedures to describe what they are doing. This has some advantages among > specialists in that they understand one another's activities. However it > does create a problem for newcomers who are trying to penetrate the thicket > surrounding the speciality and who probably think that it is a barrier > constructed by practitioners in order to keep the natives out. The > difficulty in genealogy is compounded by practitioners in different > countries circling the wagons in entirely different ways.

In a message dated 4/6/04 11:20:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, frank017@sympatico.ca writes: > Hi Margo > Have we exchanged info on your McGONIGLE in Donegal ?? > > Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada > Hello, Frank Yes, we haven't "talked" for a long time, but we did indeed trade information. I think we decided any connection had to be a pretty distant one, though......like twenty-first cousins or some such thing!! I have recently met with third cousins once removed, though, so there's always hope of finding more connections! Since my McGonigles left in 1831, the records are very hard to find without personal searching on the site, I think. Margo

RE-- > Margo > Researching McGonigle, Doherty in Donegal, Cooney/Coony elsewhere (maybe > Tyrone??) ~~~~~~~ Hi Margo Have we exchanged info on your McGONIGLE in Donegal ?? Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada

In a message dated 4/6/04 9:30:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, CARADOC28@aol.com writes: > > I run one of the most PRODUCTIVE lists in rootsweb and this is the way I > Post. I have 80,000+ names and I am not going back and changing the way I do > it > now. > If you have someone with those names and locations you'll answer the email. > > Then you can join the list and find tons of people. > Massachusetts, who could transpose the > > above from USA-speak to UK-speak > This is a slur but what would one expect > > I think this is a bit of a slur in itself, but then........ If you want someone to join your list, Jim, it would be nice if you were cordial to others. Even with all those thousands of names, wouldn't your program change it to something easier for others to understand without doing each one individually? I finally figured out what you meant, but only because I've been doing my own genealogy and working with the local GenSociety for several years as well. I see people's records done many ways, but the simplest for others to understand is by far the best. Leave a space or two between some of the information, or perhaps a bit of punctuation, like semi-colons to separate one item from the next. I understood what the poster meant about US speak and UK speak, as there are some differences, such as how dates are written, and some terms that aren't exactly the same. Seems to me there was no slur intended at all, but a bit of humor/humour involved.......get rid of the thin skin, Jim! <VBG> This board is intended to help others, you know, not to put them down. Margo Researching McGonigle, Doherty in Donegal, Cooney/Coony elsewhere (maybe Tyrone??)

I run one of the most PRODUCTIVE lists in rootsweb and this is the way I Post. I have 80,000+ names and I am not going back and changing the way I do it now. If you have someone with those names and locations you'll answer the email. Then you can join the list and find tons of people. Massachusetts, who could transpose the > above from USA-speak to UK-speak This is a slur but what would one expect Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.-sprague- and ever growing list Jim Denning

Liam at L.Martin@zen.co.uk writes: << Is there anyone out there, perhaps residing in the glorious Berkshire hills of Western Massachusetts, who could transpose the above from USA-speak to UK-speak. >> Liam, Not me, for one. Of course, I don't do any genealogy - so that may contribute to my ignorance. But, to tell the truth, I don't bother to read any messages which are constrained to all lower-case letters. Too much of a hassle. However, I don't have the same "attitude" toward all upper-case correspondence (although many others do). I assume that it's a visual matter, the ease-of-reading larger letters <gr>. In conclusion, Liam.....I'm afraid that I'm of no help to you in this matter, whatsoever. Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Liam writes: > Is there anyone out there, perhaps residing in the > glorious Berkshire hills of Western Massachusetts, who could transpose the > above from USA-speak to UK-speak Nothing in the quoted message (extract below) represents any standard U.S. usage, particularly the omission of spaces between words, but I was able to infer the meaning of the most frequent abbreviations, even when they were run into the preceding word: @ - born at or in rs@ - resided at & - and [married to]. abt (following date) - about My guess is that is the author's own data input shorthand. However, the question about which the author was unclear completely mystified me. Donn Devine, CG, CGI (Chair, [US] National Genealogical Society Standards Committee) Wilmington DE CG, Certified Genealogist, CGI, and Certified Genealogical Instructor are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluation, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. ---extract-------- Mary Jane RILEY 3 Feb 1883@Woburn,MA.rs@Woburn,MA.1883- dau of PatrickRILEY@irelandrs@Woburn,MA.currier,1883-& EllenMCHUGH@ireland-rs@Woburn,MA.1883- - ------------------------------------------------ ThomasGARVIN1845-Donegal Ireland-rs@Woburn,MA.Currier1881-rs@ Woburn ,Ma.currier1883- Son of ThomasGARVIN Donegal Ireland & Catherine Donegal Ireland wed11 Aug 1871WOBURN MA.1ST BOTH,-REV JOHN ZUCIE? UNCLEAR BridgetMCHUGH1852abt@Donegal Ireland-rs@Woburn,Ma.1883-rs@Woburn, Ma.,1881- dau of CharlesMCHUGH

One of the problems associated with most serious subjects is that the individuals engaged in its study construct a special vocabulary and set of procedures to describe what they are doing. This has some advantages among specialists in that they understand one another's activities. However it does create a problem for newcomers who are trying to penetrate the thicket surrounding the speciality and who probably think that it is a barrier constructed by practitioners in order to keep the natives out. The difficulty in genealogy is compounded by practitioners in different countries circling the wagons in entirely different ways. Those of us engaged in a search for Irish ancestors are steeped in procedures involving names, dates, religions and locality (townland, civil and religious parishes, baronies etc). Am I alone in thinking that the occasional email from across the pond reads not just like a communication from another country but a message from another planet. I refer in particular to the recent contribution by Jim Denning which is repeated below. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx Mary Jane RILEY 3 Feb 1883@Woburn,MA.rs@Woburn,MA.1883- dau of PatrickRILEY@irelandrs@Woburn,MA.currier,1883-& EllenMCHUGH@ireland-rs@Woburn,MA.1883- -------------------------------------------------- ThomasGARVIN1845-Donegal Ireland-rs@Woburn,MA.Currier1881-rs@ Woburn ,Ma.currier1883- Son of ThomasGARVIN Donegal Ireland & Catherine Donegal Ireland wed11 Aug 1871WOBURN MA.1ST BOTH,-REV JOHN ZUCIE? UNCLEAR BridgetMCHUGH1852abt@Donegal Ireland-rs@Woburn,Ma.1883-rs@Woburn, Ma.,1881- dau of CharlesMCHUGH Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinnin g- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mch ug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop ,M a.-sprague- and ever growing list Jim Denning xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxx There is no doubt that Jim Denning is a very knowledgeable and accomplished genealogist, he being the list owner of no less than 6 lists. But has the USA terminology diverged so far from that familiar to me, and perhaps other Irish practitioners, that we now need someone to act as an official translator. The US of A and the UK have been described as two nations separated by a common language - Is there anyone out there, perhaps residing in the glorious Berkshire hills of Western Massachusetts, who could transpose the above from USA-speak to UK-speak. Liam "A bird in the bush is worth two in the Cat"

Hi. I have been collecting the "Tonry's name for 6 years and have found that there are 3 spellings of the name, TONRY, TONERY and TONREY. This came from 3 gravestones in Galway side by side.  John James Tonry.

Just close your eyes, let your imaginatoin soar, and it will all be clear to you. - Jane (PS - I understood it) >From: "L.Martin" <L.Martin@zen.co.uk> >To: DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] Genealogy and Jargon >Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 11:06:16 +0100 > >One of the problems associated with most serious subjects is that the >individuals engaged in its study construct a special vocabulary and set of >procedures to describe what they are doing. This has some advantages among >specialists in that they understand one another's activities. However it >does create a problem for newcomers who are trying to penetrate the thicket >surrounding the speciality and who probably think that it is a barrier >constructed by practitioners in order to keep the natives out. The >difficulty in genealogy is compounded by practitioners in different >countries circling the wagons in entirely different ways. > >Those of us engaged in a search for Irish ancestors are steeped in >procedures involving names, dates, religions and locality (townland, civil >and religious parishes, baronies etc). Am I alone in thinking that the >occasional email from across the pond reads not just like a communication >from another country but a message from another planet. I refer in >particular to the recent contribution by Jim Denning which is repeated >below. > >xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >xxxxxxx > >Mary Jane RILEY 3 Feb 1883@Woburn,MA.rs@Woburn,MA.1883- dau of >PatrickRILEY@irelandrs@Woburn,MA.currier,1883-& >EllenMCHUGH@ireland-rs@Woburn,MA.1883- >-------------------------------------------------- >ThomasGARVIN1845-Donegal Ireland-rs@Woburn,MA.Currier1881-rs@ Woburn >,Ma.currier1883- Son of ThomasGARVIN Donegal Ireland & Catherine Donegal >Ireland >wed11 Aug 1871WOBURN MA.1ST BOTH,-REV JOHN ZUCIE? UNCLEAR >BridgetMCHUGH1852abt@Donegal Ireland-rs@Woburn,Ma.1883-rs@Woburn, Ma.,1881- >dau of CharlesMCHUGH > >Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinnin >g- >carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mch >ug >h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop >,M >a.-sprague- and ever growing list >Jim Denning > >xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >xxxxxxxxxxxx > >There is no doubt that Jim Denning is a very knowledgeable and accomplished >genealogist, he being the list owner of no less than 6 lists. But has the >USA terminology diverged so far from that familiar to me, and perhaps other >Irish practitioners, that we now need someone to act as an official >translator. > >The US of A and the UK have been described as two nations separated by a >common language - Is there anyone out there, perhaps residing in the >glorious Berkshire hills of Western Massachusetts, who could transpose the >above from USA-speak to UK-speak. > >Liam > >"A bird in the bush is worth two in the Cat" > > > >==== DONEGALEIRE Mailing List ==== >To browse through the archives of the list go to >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >Visit my homepage at http://freepages.genealogy.com/~donegaleire > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/

Subject: WILSON/ THOMAS, FROM DONEGAL SCOTLAND TO NB CANADA Hi everyone, I am looking for a Ronald O'Brien, he was looking for Jane Wilson, I tried the email address and it is not working, so if anyone knows of him would you have him contact me..at waddell@LevesqueOnLine.com his old address was rjob1001@aol.com he had the inquiry in Roots web message board.. many thanks Ann

I am looking for the parents and any relatives of Thomas Henry Wilson born June 27, 1859, on his death certificate it lists him as born in Scotland, ( but later found out that he was born in North Ulster, Donegal Ireland) he died June 20, 1927 in Saint John NB, they had lived on Chesley Street.. On a marriage certificate it lists his parents as Robert and Catherine Wilson, (but found ut the wifes name was Mary) died here in Saint John NB, I have not been able to find any more on Robert or Catherine, so I am stuck there.. Thomas had 3 sisters, and the story is that he arrived here as a child, with his mother as a widow, she had 3 daughters Mary Wilson who married a Mr. Frizell in South Portland US. then there was Elizabeth who married a Mr. McMillien from Montanna and they were cousins. Then there was Jane she was born in 1845 and died in Saint John NB at 101 she married a George Alfred Brown. Thomas met his first wife in South Bay, Saint John NB, her name was Kate Logan, (her father was Robert A. Logan, who later moved his family to South Portland Maine, her mother was Ann Splean) Catherine was born August 12, 1861 they married May 3, 1880, in Grand Bay, Saint John NB. ( I have not been able to find the wedding certificate, the marriage date was given to me by Jeannie Drake.) The lived in South Portland Maine for so many years, then moved back to Chesley Street in Saint John. They had these Children: 1.. Walter Wilson b/ May 15, 1891 marries a few times, he died April 20, 1960 in Michigan, US and he worked in the jail system 2.. Robert Wilson b/1881 and married Pearl Odina Allingham on June 19, 1907, Robert died in 1965 3.. Thomas Leswar Wilson born Aug 29, 1883 he was born in South Portland Maine and they moved back to Saint John when he was 5 years old. He married Lucy Etta Dingee on June 24, 1908. He worked as a Clerk, and he died Sept. 27, 1925. 4.. Annie Gertrude Wilson born on June 13, 1886, she died of TB on May 2, 1909 in Saint John NB 5.. Nellie May Wilson born Aug. 21, 1888, she married Daniel A. Kennedy (from South Portland Maine) on March 7, 1917, and she died on Dec. 27, 1982 6.. Bertha Rebecca Wilson, she was born in April 19, 1893 and she also died of TB on Dec. 15, 1910 7.. Walter (1st) Wilson, born Nov. 13, 1881 and died Sept 18, 1883 Catherine Logan died on March 10, 1909 of a burst appendices. Thomas remarries after that to a Martha Hutchings who was born on Jan. 20, 1873, they were married on Nov. 3, 1911, it is on this marriage certificate that the name of Thomas's parents appear. Robert & Catherine Wilson Thomas & Martha had two children: 1.. Estella Wilson born Feb. 17, 1912 she married John Hedrickson on Sept. 24, 1940 2.. Kenneth Gordon Wilson born Nov. 18, 1913 he marries Eileen Sybil Staddon and Kenneth died on July 18, 1999..he was a fisherman and worked also at Titus Bakery as a cook. So if anyone can relate or knows of somebody that could be on these lines please contact me..at waddell@LevesqueOnLine.com or 506-763-2257 many thanks

Pat, No marriages for your people. Births , here are five that may interest you, the last one is probably your family. Note to ALL: If you go to the List ARCHIVES and enter the name you are looking for and check each year. Many of the lookup names people ask for have been researched before and are in the archives, I have submitted 100+ names to the lists over the years and they are in one of the lists Also the Glasgow and WLN lists in Sct may help you, many people went to UK during these times and then moved to other parts, Cdn USA, Aus, NZ. Take a look you may luck in. These two sites are full of Donegal data. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegal/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ Donegal Lists: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/IRL-CO-DONEGAL/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/IRL-DONEGAL/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/IRL-SURNAMES/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/DONEGALEIRE/ Leix: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/IRL-LEIX/ "S" is coming if golf season doesn't get in the way. Luck Bob ===================================== SWEENY, Mary Birth Gender: Female Birth Date: 1 Dec 1864 Birthplace: Dungloe, Don, Ire Recorded in: Donegal, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: Michael SWEENY Mother: Mary BONAR Source: FHL Film 101096 Dates: 1864 - 1864 SWEENY, James Birth Gender: Male Birth Date: 11 May 1870 Birthplace: Stranorlar, Don, Ire Recorded in: Donegal, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: John SWEENY Mother: Eleanor BONAR Source: FHL Film 101206 Dates: 1870 - 1870 SWEENY, Anne Eliza Birth Gender: Female Birth Date: 12 Sep 1872 Birthplace: Stranorlar, Don, Ire Recorded in: Donegal, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: John Sweeny Mother: Eleanor Bonar Source: FHL Film 0255857 Dates: 1872 - 1873 SWEENY, John Birth Gender: Male Birth Date: 23 May 1874 Birthplace: Stranorlar, Don, Ire Recorded in: Donegal, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: John Sweeny Mother: Eleanor Bonar Source: FHL Film 255901 Dates: 1874 - 1874 SWEENY, Mary Birth Gender: Female Birth Date: 25 Apr 1874 Birthplace: Doochary, Don, Ire Recorded in: Donegal, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: Dan Sweeny Mother: Ann Boner Source: FHL Film 255901 Dates: 1874 - 1874 ===================================== Pat Thompson wrote: <SNIP>

Mary Jane RILEY 3 Feb 1883@Woburn,MA.rs@Woburn,MA.1883- dau of PatrickRILEY@irelandrs@Woburn,MA.currier,1883-& EllenMCHUGH@ireland-rs@Woburn,MA.1883- -------------------------------------------------- ThomasGARVIN1845-Donegal Ireland-rs@Woburn,MA.Currier1881-rs@ Woburn ,Ma.currier1883- Son of ThomasGARVIN Donegal Ireland & Catherine Donegal Ireland wed11 Aug 1871WOBURN MA.1ST BOTH,-REV JOHN ZUCIE? UNCLEAR BridgetMCHUGH1852abt@Donegal Ireland-rs@Woburn,Ma.1883-rs@Woburn, Ma.,1881- dau of CharlesMCHUGH Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.-sprague- and ever growing list Jim Denning

Hi Eleanor. I have the 1901 and 1911 census for Church Hill online at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegal/gartan/cenchh.htm which has Hugh Hays household. I also have the birth registration for James Jackson Hay - James Jackson Hay b 19 Feb 1876 to Hugh Hay and Ann Jackson in Churchill Hope this helps a bit. All the best, Lindel Eleanor Wright wrote: >Hi to all on list > >I am trying another line of the family and wondered if anyone knows this line: > >Thomas Hay, Schoolteacher, Kinnelargy School. >Sons John and Hugh born 1840 and married Ann Jane Jackson born 1852 from Ards, Dunfanaghy. > >I understand from my Mother's cousin that Hugh lived in Churchill and had 3 sons, one of whom had trouble with his leg. They were James Henry Hay 1872, William Edward Hay 1873 and James Jackson Hay 1876. > >If anyone has any knowledge please contact me as I would love to tie up this side of the family. > >Eleanor Wright >researching McElhinney, Hay, Speer etc. > > >==== DONEGALEIRE Mailing List ==== >Donegaleire listowner is Carol Queen. >Visit my homepages at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ >QUEENSCASTLE BRANCHES AND BOUGHS > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > >