Dear Pete: As I wrote to another responder (it is so wonderful to have a plethora of knowledgeable people on this listserve), I am now starting to consider where else my Spence family could have resided besides County Donegal. Previously I had thought it most likely that both my gg grandmother and gg grandfather were from the Donegal area. It appears that is not the case, so I am open to any and all information that helps me pinpoint other options. Thanks for expanding my horizons! Best, Jackie -----Original Message----- From: PeteScherm@aol.com [mailto:PeteScherm@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 8:33 AM To: DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DONEGALEIRE] Where is GLENCAR?? Jackie at jackie@therapypets.com writes: << The confusing thing is trying to find where Glencar is. >> Jackie, Further on from the good information given you by David, Glencar is a Lough, roughly split between Sligo and Leitrim counties. The area around the eastern end (Leitrim) of the picturesque lough is identified as "Glencar (Gleann an Chairthe)" on the Disc. map 16. This area is mostly centered in the townlands of Sranea and Sracreeghan. I'd put this sparsely-populated area at about 6 miles NE of Sligo town. Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts ==== DONEGALEIRE Mailing List ==== To browse through the archives of the list go to http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl Visit my homepage at http://freepages.genealogy.com/~donegaleire ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

I have just come across the following list at . . . http://www.donegaltown.ie/News-Section4.aspx?level4_id=437&level3_id=3 14 There doesn't appear to be any other information unfortunately! People Involuntarily Transported to America from Donegal 1737 to 1743 Date of Assizes / Person / Crime 31 Aug 1743 Daniel McMahon Vagabond 31 Aug 1743 James Flanagan Vagabond 31 Aug 1743 Bridget Flanagan Vagabond 2 Apr 1742 Michael Conolly Vagabond 2 Apr 1742 William Caldwell Vagabond 2 Apr 1742 Adal Steel Grand Larceny 2 Apr 1742 John Gallagher Grand Larceny 5 Aug 1741 Charles O"Donnell Grand Larceny 5 Aug 1741 Toal O"Boy Grand Larceny 5 Aug 1741 Michael O"Quin Grand Larceny 5 Aug 1741 James McLoughlin Grand Larceny 5 Aug 1741 Phelemy Cairney Grand Larceny 5 Aug 1741 Dennis Murry Grand Larceny 5 Aug 1741 Teigue O"Kelly Grand Larceny 5 Aug 1741 Hugh McNamee Grand Larceny 5 Aug 1741 James Scanlon Grand Larceny 5 Aug 1741 Mary Gillispie Grand Larceny 5 Aug 1741 Edmond O"Dogherty Vagabond 31 Mar 1737 Patrick O"Conolly Vagabond 31 Mar 1737 Patrick O"Donnel Vagabond 31 Mar 1737 James Dunbarr Vagabond 31 Mar 1737 Patrick Mooney Grand Larceny 31 Mar 1737 Hugh-buy OGallagher Grand Larceny 19 Aug 1740 Fergal McCoart Vagabond 19 Aug 1740 Fergal Cullin Grand Larceny 19 Aug 1740 Michael McCoart Vagabond 19 Aug 1740 Owen Galdanagh Vagabond 19 Aug 1740 Constantine O"Donnell Vagabond 2 Apr 1740 Rose McGuire als Smith Grand Larceny 2 Apr 1740 Mary Gallagher Grand Larceny 2 Apr 1740 Charles O"Dogherty Vagabond 2 Apr 1740 Charles O"Boyle Vagabond 5 Sep 1739 Neal Mergagh McSwine Vagabond 6 Apr 1739 Joseph McFarland Grand Larceny 6 Apr 1739 Thomas Johnston Grand Larceny 6 Apr 1739 Dudley Gallagher Vagabond 27 Mar 1738 Charles O"Gallagher Vagabond 27 Mar 1738 Robert Irwin Vagabond 27 Mar 1738 James Lorcan Vagabond 27 Mar 1738 Hugh Gallagher Vagabond 4 Apr 1737 William Carey Vagabond 4 Apr 1737 George Stinson Vagabond --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004

List Members, While looking through the data found these entries that may interest someone on the lists. Below are four McGarrigle marriages from the BIVRI disks, in fact they are the only ones. I have NO ADDITIONAL data on any of these names. Visit your local FHC for addtional info. Bob ================================================================= TAITE, John Age: 21 Marriage Wife: Jane MCGARRIGLE Age: 23 Marriage Date: 31 Dec 1850 Recorded in: Muff, Donegal, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Husband's Father: Daniel TAITE Source: FHL Film 101318 Dates: 1850 - 1850 BOYD, George Marriage Wife: Rebecca MCGARRIGLE Marriage Date: 2 Apr 1851 Recorded in: Templemore, Londonderry, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Husband's Father: John BOYD Wife's Father: John MCGARRIGLE Source: FHL Film 101328 Dates: 1851 - 1851 MCGARRIGLE, George Marriage Wife: Elizabeth RISK GORDON Marriage Date: 30 Aug 1852 Recorded in: Londonderry, Londonderry, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Husband's Father: John MCGARRIGLE Wife's Father: Samuel RISK Source: FHL Film 101338 Dates: 1852 - 1852 MCGARRIGLE, Joseph Age: 21 Marriage Wife: Blanche Frances HUNT Age: 18 Marriage Date: 24 Jun 1905 Recorded in: Great Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England Collection: St James Husband's Father: John MCGARRIGLE Wife's Father: Edwin James HUNT Source: FHL Film 1541949 Dates: 1891 - 1906

Jackie at jackie@therapypets.com writes: << The confusing thing is trying to find where Glencar is. >> Jackie, Further on from the good information given you by David, Glencar is a Lough, roughly split between Sligo and Leitrim counties. The area around the eastern end (Leitrim) of the picturesque lough is identified as "Glencar (Gleann an Chairthe)" on the Disc. map 16. This area is mostly centered in the townlands of Sranea and Sracreeghan. I'd put this sparsely-populated area at about 6 miles NE of Sligo town. Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Dear David: That helps immensely! I was pretty sure it wasn't the Glencar in Kildare - I could not imagine how my grandparents would have met if their families were in such disparate parts of Ireland. Glencar Lake makes much better sense to me, as does the possibility that they spelling was somehow transposed to Glencar. Thanks so much for your help. Sincerely, J. Crawford -----Original Message----- From: David Hathaway [mailto:hath@tinet.ie] Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 2:14 PM To: DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] Re: Glencar Someone was looking for Glencar, but I deleted the message before I had answered it. There is a Glencar Lake near a place called Stranea in County Leitrim which is only a few miles from Bundoran in Donegal, i don't remember an actual place called Glencar, there are numerous names that are close, i.e Glenvar, Glenade etc. Glencar Lake would be close to the borders of Leitrim/Sligo/Donegal on the N16 route from Fermanagh to Sligo. hope this helps David --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.658 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 09/04/2004 ==== DONEGALEIRE Mailing List ==== Try searching the Obituaries at Rootsweb: Interactive search http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/obituary/obituary.pl To browse through the archives of the list go to http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl Visit my homepage at http://freepages.genealogy.com/~donegaleire ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Someone was looking for Glencar, but I deleted the message before I had answered it. There is a Glencar Lake near a place called Stranea in County Leitrim which is only a few miles from Bundoran in Donegal, i don't remember an actual place called Glencar, there are numerous names that are close, i.e Glenvar, Glenade etc. Glencar Lake would be close to the borders of Leitrim/Sligo/Donegal on the N16 route from Fermanagh to Sligo. hope this helps David --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.658 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 09/04/2004

Hello Group: RE: Jane (SPENCE) CRAWFORD and James CRAWFORD I have recently found evidence that the above people (my great-great grandparents) were married in Glencar, Leitrim, Ireland. The information came from the IGI CD of the British Isles kept at the Church of Latter Day Saints and lists the following: "James CRAWFORD SP: Jane SPENCE MARR: 16-Dec-1847, Glencar, Leitrim, Ireland" I had known that James and his brother, John, came from Carricknahorna, County Donegal and that John was married at St. Anne's Church of Ireland in Ballyshannon. Now it looks like I need to start looking for records in Leitrim as well. The confusing thing is trying to find where Glencar is. I have looked at maps, both old and new, and maps showing the various ways Baronies, etc., with no luck. Can anyone help me find this place? Thanks, Jackie Crawford PO Box 10265 Fargo, ND 58106 jackie@therapypets.com www.therapypets.com

Is there anyone on the list doing research in Muff Parish? My BRADLEY's came to New Brunswick, Canada from the Three Trees area from 1856 through 1863. GGrandmother Catherine Bradley's parents where Micheal Bradley and Mary Mulin(spelling?). She had two sisters, Susan and Margaret and possibly a brother. Norma Jacobson Rocky Mountain House In the West Central Foothills of Alberta, Canada <http:///>http//www3.telus.net/MountainRose/

Further to the discussion below, a Bonar marriage from 1845 that I noted from the (unpublished) Registers of 2nd Donagheady Presbyterian Church. For more information, please contact me directly on: mitch@pixie.co.za 19/11/1845 Samuel McDermott of Killymalaurt (i.e. Killymallaght, Glendermott Parish, co. Londonderry), Weaver, son of James McDermott married to Mary Jane Bonar, (no townland given), Weaver, daughter of Duncan Bonar, Soldier Witnesses: W. J. Mitchell and Thomas McClay Sincerely Dave Mitchell Cape Town South Africa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" <hiflyte@telus.net> To: <> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 4:29 AM Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] SWEENEY'S AND OTHERS > Pat, > > No marriages for your people. > Births , here are five that may interest you, the last one is probably > your family. > > Note to ALL: > > If you go to the List ARCHIVES and enter the name you are looking for > and check each year. > Many of the lookup names people ask for have been researched before and > are in the archives, I have submitted 100+ names to the lists over the > years and they are in one of the lists > Also the Glasgow and WLN lists in Sct may help you, many people went to > UK during these times and then moved to other parts, Cdn USA, Aus, NZ. > > Take a look you may luck in. > > These two sites are full of Donegal data. > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegal/ > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ > > Donegal Lists: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/IRL-CO-DONEGAL/ > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/IRL-DONEGAL/ > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/IRL-SURNAMES/ > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/DONEGALEIRE/ > > Leix: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/IRL-LEIX/ > > "S" is coming if golf season doesn't get in the way. > > Luck > Bob > > ===================================== > > SWEENY, Mary Birth > > Gender: Female > > Birth Date: 1 Dec 1864 Birthplace: Dungloe, > Don, Ire > > Recorded in: > Donegal, Ireland > > Collection: > Civil Registration > > Father: Michael SWEENY > > Mother: Mary BONAR > > Source: FHL Film 101096 Dates: 1864 - 1864 > > SWEENY, James Birth > > Gender: Male > > Birth Date: 11 May 1870 Birthplace: > Stranorlar, Don, Ire > > Recorded in: > Donegal, Ireland > > Collection: > Civil Registration > > Father: John SWEENY > > Mother: Eleanor BONAR > > Source: FHL Film 101206 Dates: 1870 - > 1870 > > SWEENY, Anne Eliza Birth > > Gender: Female > > Birth Date: 12 Sep 1872 Birthplace: > Stranorlar, Don, Ire > > Recorded in: > Donegal, Ireland > > Collection: > Civil Registration > > Father: John Sweeny > > Mother: Eleanor Bonar > > Source: FHL Film 0255857 Dates: 1872 - 1873 > > SWEENY, John Birth > > Gender: Male > > Birth Date: 23 May 1874 Birthplace: > Stranorlar, Don, Ire > > Recorded in: > Donegal, Ireland > > Collection: > Civil Registration > > Father: John Sweeny > > Mother: Eleanor Bonar > > Source: FHL Film 255901 Dates: 1874 - 1874 > > SWEENY, Mary Birth > > Gender: Female > > Birth Date: 25 Apr 1874 Birthplace: Doochary, > Don, Ire > > Recorded in: > Donegal, Ireland > > Collection: > Civil Registration > > Father: Dan Sweeny > > Mother: Ann Boner > > Source: FHL Film 255901 Dates: 1874 - 1874 > ===================================== > > Pat Thompson wrote: > <SNIP> > > > ==== DONEGALEIRE Mailing List ==== > If you wish to subscribe or unsubscribe from the Donegaleire list send an email to DONEGALEIRE-L-request@rootsweb or DONEGALEIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com In the email put just the word unsubscribe. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

My thanks to Maureen for the links to Maps. I didn't know about these and appreciate the time she took to tell us all about them Muriel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen" <mcreyn@compassnet.com.au> To: <DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 7:07 AM Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] Town maps - Donegal and more > I haven't seen these maps mentioned before - I found a great map of > Milford town showing roads, burial grounds, churches, schools, &c. > http://www.johnthemap.co.uk/sligo/milford.html > > More DONEGAL maps (also CAVAN, CORK, LEITRIM & SLIGO) can be found on: > > JOHN THE MAP > town maps survey & artwork by John Callanan > http://www.johnthemap.co.uk > > Donegal town maps: > Ballybofey, Ballyshannon, Buncrana, Bundorean, Carndonagh, Dungloe, > Letterkenny, Lifford, Milford, Raphoe, Rathmelton, Rathmullan, > Stranorlar > > Enjoy, > Maureen in Sydney > > > > ==== DONEGALEIRE Mailing List ==== > ************************************************************************ > <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> > Check out these Donegal Information Sites > Dick O'Donnell's- http://www.mindspring.com/~dickod/donegal/index.htm > O Donnell Abu/ http://homepage.tinet.ie/~vod/ > Donegal Families/ http://homepage.tinet.ie/~donfam/ > Donegal Database- http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/Doncontent.html > Donegal Information/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegal/ > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Maureen at mcreyn@compassnet.com.au writes: << I haven't seen these maps mentioned before >> Maureen, I'd like to second Muriel's thanks for discovering this map site. I assume you wouldn't mind if I disseminate them to the other lists that might benefit from them. Thanks again (I'll be sure to give you the credit <gr>) Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Hello I've posted the names of the occupiers of land in the parish of Moville Lower, taken from the Tithe Applotment Book of 1825. I have copies of the entries for five of the townlands - Carrowhugh, Carrowtrasna, Stroove, Mossyglen and Glennagiveny. They don't scan too well, but I'll send a scan of a particular entry on request. For the remainder, I have only transcribed the names. The records show the names of the occupants, the size and quality of the land that they occupied, its value and the tax (tithe) payable. Unlike Griffith's Valuation, it shows all occupants of the land, but does not state their relationship, nor are there any family details. To see the information, please click on http://www.benpalmer.co.uk/movillerecords.htm and follow the links to the Tithes page. I hope that you find some useful information! Ben http://www.benpalmer.co.uk/movillerecords.htm _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband

I haven't seen these maps mentioned before - I found a great map of Milford town showing roads, burial grounds, churches, schools, &c. http://www.johnthemap.co.uk/sligo/milford.html More DONEGAL maps (also CAVAN, CORK, LEITRIM & SLIGO) can be found on: JOHN THE MAP town maps survey & artwork by John Callanan http://www.johnthemap.co.uk Donegal town maps: Ballybofey, Ballyshannon, Buncrana, Bundorean, Carndonagh, Dungloe, Letterkenny, Lifford, Milford, Raphoe, Rathmelton, Rathmullan, Stranorlar Enjoy, Maureen in Sydney

Hello, I think this could have been a useful piece for people but instead I found it one-sided and biased. If you read it through again as if you belonged to the "other side" you may see what I mean. I think politics, where possible, should be kept out of genealogy but I would like to add one historical point; the IRA split in the 1970s over the future of the movement; the Official IRA disbanded and formed a political party in the Republic; the Provisional IRA began what they called the "armed struggle" so it is not the IRA but the PIRA and its offshoots, along with the "loyalist" gangs, who have tortured and murdered over 3000 people in the last 30 years. Let us not glorify murder: no more politics on this site please; and if I can finish with Shakespeare, "a plague on both their houses." Rob Doragh Liverpool UK _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo

We are all guilty of using too much jargon at times. As a rule I would suggest explaining a particular term the first time it is used in a message. US residents will know what MA and PA are/is UK residents will know what Berks are/is Enough already! Here's a helpful, if brief, glossary of terms and acronyms in daily use in Ireland Enjoy . . . * 26 Counties: Most of Ireland; became independent from Britain after the Easter rising of 1916 and the war of independence fought by the IRA between 1919-1922 * 6 Counties: Northern portion of Ireland under British government rule; also referred to as 'Northern Ireland' or 'Ulster'. A * A Chara (Pron: oh KORR-oh): Irish Gaelic introduction to letter, meaning 'Friend'. Plural is A Chairde (Pron: oh KARR-DYEH) * AAI: Australian Aid for Ireland - Irish Republican solidarity organisation in Australia * Aer Lingus (Pron: AYR LING-uss): Irish national airline STOP PRESS: it looks like it's up for sale. * Alliance Party: A small northern political party which wishes to maintain the union with Britain. Led by Seamus Close * An Phoblacht (Pron: onn FUB-lockt): Newspaper of the Irish Republican Movement. * An Post (Pron: onn PUST): The semi-state body operating the postal service. * AOH: Ancient Order of Hibernians. Irish Catholic organisation based in the US. * Ard Chomhairle (Pron: ORD KOW-ir-leh): Leadership or 'high council.' * Ard Fheis (Pron: ORD ESH): Annual Convention, usually of a Political Party. B * BBC: British Broadcasting Corporation. Available in much of Ireland * Bord Failte (Pron: BURD FAWL-che): The Irish Tourist Board. * Bus Eireann (Pron: bus AIR-inn): A subsidiary of CIE responsible for bus services outside of Dublin. C * Cabinet: Government decision making body. Chaired by Taoiseach. Government Ministers. The Attorney General and the Chief Whip are seated members but cannot participate in decision-making. * Cairde Sinn Fein (Pron. CARD-yeh SHINN FAYN) Support organisation for Sinn Fein (inside the US, see Friends of Sinn Fein) * CLMC: Combined Loyalist Military Command - a now defunct grouping of the loyalist paramilitary UVF, UFF/UDA and the Red Hand Commando * CIE: Coras Iompair Eireann (The former State Transport Company). * Coiste na n-Iarchimi (Pron. KISH-te noh NEER-chi-MEE) - Umbrella organisation working for former Irish Republican political prisoners * Connolly Association: British-based Republican organisation campaigning for Irish re-unification and independence. * Conradh na Gaeilge (Pron: CUNN-rah noh GAYLE-geh): Organization devoted to the preservation and promotion of Irish language and culture. * Constituency: Electoral region, usually about 30,000-40,000 voters. * Cumann (Pron: KUMM-onn): Local organisation or constituent 'society' of a larger organisation. D * Dail (Pron. DAWL): Parliament of the 26 counties. * DOE: (British) Department of the Environment * DHSS: (British) Department of Health and Social Services * Drumcree: Site of major confrontations for past several years between Orange Order marchers and local nationalist residents. * DUP: Democratic Unionist Party - Ultra-hardline unionist party. Led by Ian Paisley. E * Eire (Pron. AY-reh): Irish Gaelic name for Ireland * EU: European Union; formerly EC or EEC. F * Feile: (Pron. FAY-leh) Festival * Fleadh: (Pron. FLAH) Traditional music gathering, with competitions * F.F.: Fianna Fail (Pron. FEEN-oh FAWL): - 26-County Political Party; conservative, generally nationalist - led by Bertie Ahern. * F.G.: Fine Gael (Pron. FIN-eh GAYLE): - 26-County Political Party; conservative, with more secular social policies; generally unionist. Led by Michael Noonan. * First Minister: Head of the Stormont Executive responsible for devolved government in the Six Counties * FOSF: Friends of Sinn Fein - US based lobby and fund-raising organisation for Sinn Fein. * Foyle: The Derry region and river/estuary G * GAA: Gaelic Athletic Association (Governing Body for Hurling, Gaelic Football, and Handball). * Gaeltacht (Pron. GAIL-tockt): Irish Speaking Regions. * Garda (Pron. GORR-doh): Police - Full name is Garda Siochana ("Guardians of the peace"). Gardai (Pron. GORR-DEE) is the plural of Garda. * GFA: Good Friday Agreement. Internationally binding peace treaty signed in 1998 by the Irish and British governments and all the political parties in the Six Counties except the DUP and UKUP. * GHQ: General Headquarters * Green Party: Environmentalist political party H * H-Blocks; components of Long Kesh prison; site of 1981 hunger strike * House of Commons: Lower chamber of the British parliament at Westminster * HRC: Human Rights Commission I * IAUC: Irish-American Unity Conference * ICTU: Irish Congress of Trade Unions * IDA: Ireland Industrial Development Authority (State body chartered to attract foreign industry.) * IDB: Industrial Development Board (British state body chartered to attract foreign industry to the 6-counties). * IFA: Irish Farmers' Association * IICD: Independent International Commission for Decommissioning. Body set up under the GFA to mediate the process of putting arms beyond use. * INAC: Irish Northern Aid Committee - US-based Republican support organisation. * INLA: Irish National Liberation Army (small republican socialist organisation, now on ceasefire). * IPLO: Irish People's Liberation Organisation (Breakaway group from INLA, now defunct). * IRA: Irish Republican Army - army of volunteers engaged in armed struggle against the British forces in Ireland, now on ceasefire * IRSM: Irish Republican Socialist Movement (includes the INLA and a political party, the IRSP) - opposed to IRA ceasefire * ITV: Independent Television. British television channel, available in Ireland as UTV. L * Labour Party: Small 26-County political party; left of centre on many issues. Led by Ruairi Quinn. The British equivalent, led by Tony Blair, is the party of government at Westminster * Leinster House: The seat of the Irish parliament in Dublin * Long Kesh: Large prison which formerly housed most 6-county political prisoners; the H-Blocks are located here. * Loyalism: A sort of Unionism, traditionally more disposed to violence; proponents are 'loyal' to Great Britain. Includes a number of paramilitary organisations which have worked in collusion with British forces. * LVF: Loyalist Volunteer Force - a loyalist paramilitary organisation not on 'ceasefire' - broke away from UVF in Mid-Ulster area M * Maze: British name for Long Kesh * MEP: Member of the European Parliament. * MI5: British military 'intelligence' organisation; operates undercover in Ireland, often in collusion with loyalist paramilitaries. * MoD: (British) Ministry of Defence * MP: Member of (the British) Parliament. N * NIWC: Northern Ireland Women's Coalition * NIO: Northern Ireland Office - the administrative headquarters for the 6 Counties, headed by Britain's direct ruler Paul Murphy and a team of British government ministers. * NIUP: Northern Ireland Unionist Party - small unionist party which broke away from the UKUP * Noraid: See INA O * OFMDFM: Office of the First and Deputy First Ministers at the Stormont Assembly. * Oireachtas (Pron. irr-ACK-tos): Name to cover both houses of the 26-County Parliament (ie. The Dail and the Seanad) and the President. * Orange Order: Extreme anti-Catholic religious/political organisation in 6-Counties; opposes 'popery'; Unionist/Loyalist in political allegiance. Led by Robert Saulters. P * PD: Progressive Democrats - Political party founded in the late 80's by Fianna Fail dissidents; policies generally right-wing. * PR: Proportional Representation - voting system employed in 26-Counties, namely STV - single transferable vote. * PSNI: Police Service of Northern Ireland - the new name for the RUC * PUP: Progressive Unionist Party - small fringe unionist party associated with the UVF. R * 'Real' IRA: Small new republican organisation engaged in armed actions. Claim to be "the true IRA". Goals are similar to those of RSF. * Red Hand Commando: Another loyalist paramilitary organisation, part of the CLMC. * Republican Movement: Describes the principle modern incarnation of the Irish republican tradition which draws on 18th century French republicanism and historical Irish influences, including Wolfe Tone, the United Irishmen, Irish Republican Brotherhood and the Easter Rising. Includes Sinn Fein and the IRA. * RIR: Royal Irish Regiment - British Army regiment formed in 1992 with the amalgamation of the UDR and Royal Irish Rangers. * RMD: Republican News, online Irish republican news service. * RSF: Republican Sinn Fein - small breakaway Republican political party. Goals are similar to those of the 'Real' IRA. * RTE: Radio Telefis Eireann (Pron. RAH-dee-oh TELL-if-eesh AIR-inn): (The state-owned broadcasting authority). RTE1 and Network2 are its two television channels. * RUC: Royal Ulster Constabulary - former name of the British militarised police force in the 6 Counties. S * SAS: Special Air Services (An undercover wing of the British Army, some of whose members operate in the 6-Counties, largely above the law). * SDLP: Social Democratic and Labour Party (A nationalist political party in the 6-Counties). * Seanad (Pron. SHAN-odd): Senate (or upper house of Parliament) - must approve all legislation before it can become law. Styled on the British House of Lords. * Sinn Fein (Pron. SHINN FAYN): Political party led by Gerry Adams * Slan: (Pron. SLAWN): Irish Gaelic for 'Farewell'. * Sky TV: British satellite TV station owned by Rupert Murdoch * Stormont: Buildings employed by several 6-County parliaments. Seat of British rule in Ireland. * STV: Single Transferable Vote - see PR. T * Taoiseach (Pron. TEE-shack): Prime Minister (Head of Government - the President is Head of State) * Tanaiste (Pron. TAW-nish-teh): Deputy Prime Minister. * TD: Teachta Dala (Member of the Dail). * TG4: Irish language television channel * TOM: Troops Out Movement - British based organisation working to bring about a withdrawal of British forces from Ireland. * Tories: British Conservative Party of government in Britain; supports continuing British occupation in Ireland. 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Nine counties, including the 6 Counties and Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan. * Unionism: Political philosophy supporting maintainence of British rule of the 6 Counties. * United Kingdom: Defined by British government as Britain and its offshore islands but also the 6 counties. * UPRG: Ulster Political Representation Group: Group formed to represent the paramilitary UDA in the political arena. Replaced the disbanded UDP. * UTV: Ulster Television - the independent commercial television channel serving the 6-Counties, part of ITV * UUP: Ulster Unionist Party - largest unionist party. Led by David Trimble * UVF: Ulster Volunteer Force (Loyalist paramilitary organisation). Allied to the PUP. W * Westminster: Seat of the British parliament in London, including the House of Commons (lower chamber) and the House of Lords (upper chamber) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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It's the start of the next holiday so I thought you all could do with cheering up. Here's a true Irish fishing story . . . Uncle Seamus stood watching an American tourist fishing. He noticed that the man dipped his bait into a bottle by his side before each cast and was astounded to find that he had a dozen fine trout flapping on the shore beside him within five minutes. He became curious and went down to ask the Yank what his secret was. 'No secret, my friend, but just a good old bottle of Kentucky Bourbon. The fish just can't get enough of it.' So Seamus hurried back to his cottage and got out his own fishing rod. But he didn't have any bourbon to hand so he decided to try out some of his home-made poitin instead. The next day the Yank was walking alongside the lake and met uncle Seamus coming the other way with a salmon the size of a small pony slung over his shoulder. 'Congratulations. I'm glad to see the Bourbon trick worked for you too,' he said. ‘Ah now!’ said Seamus ‘I didn’t have any of that foreign muck. I used a wee drop of the crettur!’ and he added 'When I got yon fish out of the water it took me full five minutes to get the worm to let go of his throat.' Well it must be true! Uncle Seamus told me! Have a great holiday. Slan Henry --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.654 / Virus Database: 419 - Release Date: 06/04/2004

Hi once again folks, I'l like to thank the majority of the list, who take their research seriously and enjoy being on the list. I'd also like to thank all of you who follow the proper procedures and email me privately when there is something wrong on the list. I've never had to say this 2 days in a row, but here goes. PLEASE I do not want anyone to send any more messages regarding JARGON. That subject is closed. I also want to stress that this list is for genealogy research. Absolutely no POLITICAL posts should be sent to the list. These posts must STOP IMMEDIATELY. As always, if anyone feels the need to comment on this you can email me privately at postalq@grnco.net . We all need to take advantage of the beautiful spring freshness to get out and enjoy a wonderful Easter Weekend Carol-listowner --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.620 / Virus Database: 399 - Release Date: 3/15/2004

Hi all! Just to inform/remind you that the Flax List for Donegal is online at Lindel's great site . . . http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegal/flaxlist1.htm Slan Henry --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.650 / Virus Database: 416 - Release Date: 04/04/2004

Dear List I now know that my GGGrandfather was Edward Gildea, a stone-mason from Mullinasloe near Ballyshannon, County Donegal born circa 1810 and died 1905. Descendents of Edward by the name of GILDEA settled in New South Wales, AUS, Laghy, County Donegal, (for a time) Mullaghmore, County Sligo, (for a time) Glasslaugh, Co Monaghan, (for a time) York ENG, Massachusetts, USA, and NZ. My GGrandfather Joseph GILDEA also a stonemason 1863-1923 married Mary Ann WARD 1870-1944. Contact me if you are researching similar lines. Mark Lusby Northern Ireland http://uk.geocities.com/mark.lusby@btopenworld.com/familyhistory.html

Betty Ann says: "...quite likely their father would have been named William....William Osborne appears twice in the 1796 Flax Growers List, reference # 13786 Donegal & # 23971 Londonderry (I do not know what these numbers refer to). The 1796 Spinning Wheel Premium Entitlements List shows Osburn, William, living in Raphoe." Betty Ann, Just in case you don't already know it, the "Flax Growers List" and the "Spinning Wheel Entitlement List" are two different informal names of the same document. The full title (which will help you make sense of the following data) is: "A List of Persons to whom Premiums for sowing Flax-Seed in the Year 1796 have been adjudged by the Trustees of the Linen Manufacture. Pursuant to the Scheme offered by them for encouraging the Growth of Flax throughout the Kingdon, viz., 'To the Person who should sow between the 10th Day of March and the 1st Day of June 1796, with a sufficient Quantity of good found Flax-seed, any Quantity of Land, well prepared and fit for the purpose, not less than 1 Acre--4 Spinning Wheels,---3 Roods 3 Ditto, ---2 Roods--2Ditto,---1 Rood--1 Ditto. And to the Person who should sow in like Manner any Quantity of like Land, not less than 5 Acres, a Loom, or Wheels, Reels, or Hatchells to the Value of 50 Shillings, and for every % Acres over and above the first five a like Premium.'" The reference numbers you quote are not from the original Flaxgrowers/Spinning Wheel list -- they are most likely internal references to someone's database version of the list. The original Flaxgrowers list is broken down by county, and within each county by (civil) parish, and consists of a list of names and # of wheels. There is no way to tell from the Flaxgrower list in which townland they lived, or who else was in their family, etc. -- all it will tell you is county, parish, name, # wheels, and, if you care to calculate from the info in the title above, amount of land given over to flax growing in 1796. So, the data that someone sent you translates as: there are William Osbornes in Cos. Donegal and Londonderry, and a William Osburn in Raphoe parish, Co. Donegal. Since you said you were not sure that William was your GGgfather's father, I am appending (below) all the Osbornes in the UHF's database of the Flaxgrower's List. Note that -- assuming there's no mistake in the UHF's database -- there are only two Williams, not three as implied by the info someone sent you (their two references to Donegal are to the same person). Note that the William in Raphoe is the only Osborne/Osburn (of any Christian name) in Donegal. Since you have other evidence pointing to Donegal, you might want to concentrate on the parish of Raphoe first. (Of course, your Osborne could be elsewhere in Donegal and just not have qualified for a spinning wheel, so would not be on the list). "UHF" is the Ulster Historical Foundation -- http://www.ancestryireland.co.uk/ Here's the data: Surname, First name, Parish, # Looms Co. Tyrone Osborne, Alexander, Drumra [Drumragh], 1 Osborne, Andrew, Drumra [Drumragh], 1 Osborne, Henry, Ardstraw, 2 Osborne, John, Drumra [Drumragh], 1 Osborne, Robert, Drumra [Drumragh], 1 Osburne [Osborne], Henry, Dromore, 1 Osburne [Osborne], James, Dromore, 2 Osburne [Osborne], Samuel, Donaghedy, 4 Co. Londonderry Osborne, John, Glendermot, 2 Osborne, John, Tamlaght Finlagan, 1 Osborne, Rev. Joseph, Bovera [Bovevagh], 4 Osborne, Samuel, Bovera [Bovevagh], 4 Osborne, Samuel, Bovera [Bovevagh], 1 Osborne, William, Bovera [Bovevagh], 4 Co. Donegal Osburn [Osborne], William, Raphoe, 1 Co. Louth Osborne, Bridget, Louth, 1 Hope that helps. Claire K.