Good morning list, Here is a website I thought you might be interested in for genealogy research &/or to scan your family pages from any old Bible(s) you might have & place them at this site. :) "Bible Records Online" -- www.biblerecords.com Happy Mother's Day Happy hunting, Helen (DCGS)

Well! Thanks for the help I got - I was starting to get myself all confused - it looks like 3rd degree would be 2nd cousins, with a common gr grandparent - 4th degree would mean the couple has a gr gr grandparent in common. One of the marriages I have has 3rd and 4th degree consanguinity between the couple, which looks to mean they were 2nd cousins once removed. Its going to be fun sorting this lot out but at least I have a better idea of it now. Thanks to everyone who emailed! All the best, Lindel

Hello Lindel, I'm not going to try and get my head around what I am about to relate, especially since it is early Sunday morning here in Donegal. Webster's Dictionary has the following explanations for 'Consanguine' and 'Consanguinty': Consanguine: ( F. Consanguin, fr. L. Consanguineus, fr. com + sanguineus, of blood - more at SANGUINE) CONSANGUINEOUS; specif: based on an extended group of blood relations esp. of unlinear descent and constituting the functional famlial unit in a society. Consanguinty: 1. the quality or state of being related by blood or descended from a common ancestor: BLOOD RELATIONSHIP - distinguished from 'affinity' and commonly expressed in degrees of consanguinity (according to one scheme a person has consanguinity of the second degree with his grandfather, grandson, uncle, cousin-german, and nephew or corresponding female relations) 2. genetic relationship; specif: the spatial, chronological, and compositional relationship existing between the various rocks in a single petrographic province 3 : a close relation or connection : AFFINITY (the consanguinity of all religions). There is also a 'family tree' type of diagram that I can not easily reproduce here but may be able to 'paint' and send to anyone who is really, really interested. Lindel, I know the nights are getting long in that upside-down part of the globe but the sun is shining here in Donegal so please, could you make the questions easier for a few months. Beannacht Dé, P.J. Ó Domhnaill. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindel" <lbuckle@ihug.co.nz> To: <DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 12:31 PM Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] Consanguinity > Help! I just can't get my head around this - I have some marriages where > the bride and groom have some degree of consanguinity - now, I know this > means that they have some blood relationship, but does anyone know > exactly what relationship they would have if there was a 3rd degree > consanguinity? And 4th degree consanguinity? That must mean cousins, but > is it first, second? > If I know what these degrees are, then I can at least try to figure out > where their lines meet. > I've had a good look around the internet, but haven't found anything > that can be more specific - or is clear enough for me to understand :-) > Thanks! > Lindel > > > ==== DONEGALEIRE Mailing List ==== > Visit my Donegal Homepage at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Help! I just can't get my head around this - I have some marriages where the bride and groom have some degree of consanguinity - now, I know this means that they have some blood relationship, but does anyone know exactly what relationship they would have if there was a 3rd degree consanguinity? And 4th degree consanguinity? That must mean cousins, but is it first, second? If I know what these degrees are, then I can at least try to figure out where their lines meet. I've had a good look around the internet, but haven't found anything that can be more specific - or is clear enough for me to understand :-) Thanks! Lindel

Does anyone know a current email address for Anne? I've collected some new info on Ardmeen and other areas we have mutual interest in, but I seem to have 'lost' Anne!! Thanks! Lindel

This was great information. I too have a cousin listed as 3rd consanguine on the marriage record and I didn't know how closely she was related, and now I do. Go raibh maitha agat. Beananchtai, Margaret (Mairead) ----- Original Message ----- From: Lindel To: DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 3:40 PM Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] Consanguinity - oh dear! Well, I am getting somewhere at least! I've some copies of early Conwal and Leck and Glenswilly marriages, plus others and had only recently noticed the funny latin notes in one column with this word 'consanguinity' ................. definately looking at the canon law consanguinity. I got some good responses to my query about it and then this morning (for me anyway!) Pat mentioned Family Tree Maker - duhhhh - I've been using that prog for about 10 years and hadn't noticed that it could list a report with the canon and civil kinship as well! I listed my kinship report and just in case this might help someone, here's what it comes up with for some relationships - Canon 1st cousin - 2 1st cousin once removed - 3 1st cousin twice removed - 4 2nd cousin - 3 2nd cousin once removed - 4 3rd cousin - 4 Aunt/uncle - 2 Grandfather - 2 Great grandaunt - 4 Grandaunt/uncle - 3 Great grandfather - 3 Still going back to study the Catholic encyclopaedia online though!!! Thanks to everyone who responded - again :-) Lindel (where its a sunny Sunday morning & Mothers Day !) ==== DONEGALEIRE Mailing List ==== Visit my Donegal Homepage at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi Lindel I started by using GOOGLE and put in "Consanguinity",then at the bottom of the page where it says "Search within results" I put in "3rd Degree" This brought up quite a lot of hits which will probably answer your question. Much better this way than me trying to explain it. Anyway 1st cousins are 2nd degree,and 2nd cousins are 3rd degree. All the best Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindel" <lbuckle@ihug.co.nz> To: <DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 7:31 AM Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] Consanguinity > Help! I just can't get my head around this - I have some marriages where > the bride and groom have some degree of consanguinity - now, I know this > means that they have some blood relationship, but does anyone know > exactly what relationship they would have if there was a 3rd degree > consanguinity? And 4th degree consanguinity? That must mean cousins, but > is it first, second? > If I know what these degrees are, then I can at least try to figure out > where their lines meet. > I've had a good look around the internet, but haven't found anything > that can be more specific - or is clear enough for me to understand :-) > Thanks! > Lindel >

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several years ago i went to neghsand some people from byu were there and they had <A HREF="http://smgf.org:8081/pubgen/site15.jsp">this project</A> . i participated what it wass destined to do was to determine where your ancsestors traveled. i had to give then four generations on all sides . this was so they could know who, where they were.they explained it and said eventually if your a geneaologist and doing the name DENNING . You could go to them and submit dna and find out that my genes stayed in chelsea ma for while ,previos stays of length were in ardagh,longford,lothiam scotland, dover england, and serbia. This facinated me . but the topper was that they showed us a map of the world and said sure england grmany france ,america even south america had tons of dots indicating markers. One place had none. Africa was a place no one had been able to donate dna and four generations of family tree info. So they would need to travel there and convince people to donate dna. with alot of others from maybe england and other place that would have the geneaological info. One day this would allow blacks in america to use their dna to locate the nation country tribe and village their predecessors lived. Imagine the travel agencies booking passage to these villages . we get excited at finding grandmas aunt,lol. this is whats capable thru dna.and its alread done at http://smgf.org:8081/pubgen/site15.jsp Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.-sprague- and ever growing list Jim Denning

Have updated the GV data with surnames beginning with R. Visit the URL below: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hiflyte/index.htm Griffith's Valuation (1857) for Donegal surnames from McReady to Rynd This page contains 1158 surnames sorted by Surname, Parish and Location Bob's Genealogy Site is working properly Enjoy Bob Cdn.

At 02:28 03/05/2004, you wrote: >Betty, > >Take a good look at Lindels site, she has data on Fahan Fahan is actually the parish of Fahan Upper. The parish of Fahan Lower is Buncrana and its environs. I have a paper copy of the Fahan Lower valuation, just let me know what names you're after, and what townland(s) they're in, and I'll let you know what the rest of the record says. Just in case you don't know what else is included on the Valuation, it has no information that can link one generation to another in any concrete manner. Here is what it has: Townlands and Occupiers (What you'll find in the Index) Immediate Lessors (Who is leasing or sub-leasing the land to the occupier, or if it is "In Fee" - i.e. they own it) Description of Tenement (a vague description of the land e.g. house, office(s) and land) Area (in A.R.P. - there's lots of info on this type of measurement online) Rateable Annual Valuation (divided between land and buildings) Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property. Michael

Betty, Take a good look at Lindels site, she has data on Fahan http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegal/ I am assumming that you found the names on the GV list at my site, the only info I have on GV names are in the data base. For additional GV data you will have to get it from the source, it is an Irish Government site and you will have to pay. http://www.valoff.ie/ Before you go to the Valoff visit Jane Lynons site, she has an explanation of the pros and cons for looking up GV data. http://www.from-ireland.net/index.htm Jane is does research, contact her by email via her site. I looked at the Births on BIVRI #2 disk and there are NO McManemy's listed for Donegal, but this disk of data is very limited. Have posted this reply to the Donegaleire List, someone may be able to help you with the McMANEMY surname. Bob Cdn. ============================================================== <SNIP> >Hello; I found William and 2 John McManemy names listed in Parish, Fahan >Lower. How do I get to more information on them as I think they may be my >family? I have been searching for years to find where they came from in >Ireland and I hope I have found them. Can you help me? William is listed as >in Ballymacarry and 1 John from Shandrim the other from Tullyarvan. Thank >you. > > > > > >

The only problem with opening Lindel's site was the comma at the end. When I removed it, I had no trouble. Just a minor inconvenience but a great site! God bless all!

Hi Bonnie these are the Boyles found in Griffiths Valuation. These are just from the Muckish townlands. (mid 19th century) Surname, First Townland Boyle Patrick Clonbeg Glebe Boyle Charles Kildarragh Boyle Daniel Brockagh Boyle William Faymore Boyle Philip Brockagh Boyle Michael Clonbeg Glebe Boyle Mary Clonmore Boyle Bryan Kilmackilloo Boyle John Swillybrin Boyle James Gortnaleck Boyle William Glack Boyle John Glack If you have more details about your Eddie Boyle I'll see what more I have. Slan Henry --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.672 / Virus Database: 434 - Release Date: 28/04/2004

Bonnie, did your Edward go to Johnstown, Pennsylvania? Were his parents Owen Boyle and Sarah Anne Rowe.? Take care, Ellen (searching for Martin, Boyle, Rowe, O'Hara and McCarron)

Thanks Bob, I got it this time. Margie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" <hiflyte@telus.net> To: "Margie Wolfe" <margie@paonline.com> Cc: <> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [DONEGALEIRE] Index to Griffiths Valuation for all of Donegal > Go to the home page and then hit Research, from there you must select > the page you wish to view. > Remember this is DATA and will take a few moments to load. > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hiflyte > > The URL Lindel gave below does work, if it doen.t open from the email > then you must paste the complete URL into your brower window in "ONE LINE" > you may have to cut and paste to complete the task. > > Bob > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hiflyte > ================================ > Margie Wolfe wrote: > > >Lindel, > >I could not open this site. Is something missing in the address? > >Thanks, > >Marg > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hiflyte/griffith_evaluation_donegal.htm, > >

Could anyone tell me what townlands surround Muckish Mountain. My ancestor Edward Boyle was supposed to have lived very near to it? Bonnie Wilson

Who says all students are useless? Not me! There's young Brendan Gallagher who has a site where you can view a wee video clip of many of the towns in Donegal. He also has locals pronouncing the town's name for you too! Just pop along to his site at . . . http://www.gallaghersarch.com/Donegalmap.html He has . . . Annagry Ardara Ballybofey Ballyliffin Ballyshannon Bunbeg Buncrana Bundoran Burtonport Carndonagh Carrick Carrigart Clonmany Creeslough Culdaff Derrybeg Donegal Town Doochary Downings Dunfanaghy Dungloe Dunkineely Falcarragh Fintown Glencolmcille Glenties Gortahork Greencastle Gweedore Kilcar Killybegs Kilmacrennan Letterkenny Lifford Malin Milford Mountcharles Moville Muff Pettigoe Portnoo Portsalon Ramelton Raphoe Rathmullan Rossnowlagh Stranorlar Tory Slan Henry --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.672 / Virus Database: 434 - Release Date: 28/04/2004

Lindel, I could not open this site. Is something missing in the address? Thanks, Margie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindel" <lbuckle@ihug.co.nz> To: <> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [DONEGALEIRE] Index to Griffiths Valuation for all of Donegal > Thats good to have the info online but if you're after family who should > have been in Stranorlar, Donaghmore, Taughboyne and a few other parishes > don't worry if you can't find them in that index, because its not complete. > For instance, the original Griffiths Valuation has 944 households in > Stranorlar parish, not just 1 lonely Samuel Nicholls in Lettermakenny in > that online index :-) The other two parishes I mentioned are short > about 900 households each. > Bob has a complete index by Surname at > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hiflyte/griffith_evaluation_donegal.htm, > which includes those missing households. > Lindel > > LifeWorks wrote: > > >Hello > >Below is website that has an Index to Griffiths Valuation for all of Donegal > >by Townlands > >Good looking > >Colleen > >Canada > > > ><http://members.cox.net/hayes1966/donegal.htm> > > > > > > > >==== DONEGALEIRE Mailing List ==== > >Try searching the Obituaries at Rootsweb: Interactive search > >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/obituary/obituary.pl > >To browse through the archives of the list go to > >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >Visit my homepage at http://freepages.genealogy.com/~donegaleire > > > >============================== > >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DONEGALEIRE Mailing List ==== > <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> > Check out these Donegal Information Sites > Dick O'Donnell's- http://www.mindspring.com/~dickod/donegal/index.htm > O Donnell Abu/ http://homepage.tinet.ie/~vod/ > Donegal Families/ http://homepage.tinet.ie/~donfam/ > Donegal Database- http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/Doncontent.html > Donegal Information/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegal/ > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >