Hello Bob, was wondering if any these discs were on Donegal vital? I've been trying to locate my Edward Orr, son of Patrick Orr and Sena Carrigan from Donegal. He could have been born around 1816 or 1826. Could you possibly do a look up for me? What records exist for Donegal? I was told the records burned in a fire. That's my luck! Edward married in New Orleans, La. in 1859 so he must have left Ireland some time prior to this date. His marriage license provided me with the County info, but that's all. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. Cheryl Curole (researching Orr) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" <hiflyte@telus.net> To: <DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [DONEGALEIRE] HARLEYs - Glassblowers - Shoemakers > Did a check of the Vital Records disk (Hartley) and found no births > before 1867 and no marriages in Donegal. > This is only a very small collection of data. > > Bob > Cdn. > =================================== > <SNIP> My Connell HARLEY left Donegal in the early 1830s and went to > America. I've been checking all the usual sources (Tithe, > >

Would you do me a favour and look for the marriage in Donegal of Ann/Nancy Clark and James Elliot(t) ; 1825 , +/- 5 years. (First child 1829) Also Ann/Nancy's parents, Robert Clark and Margaret Clark, her M.S. appears to have been Clark as well. Perhaps 1800. Thanks, Bob, also Cdn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" <hiflyte@telus.net> To: <DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [DONEGALEIRE] HARLEYs - Glassblowers - Shoemakers > Did a check of the Vital Records disk (Hartley) and found no births > before 1867 and no marriages in Donegal. > This is only a very small collection of data. > > Bob > Cdn. > =================================== > <SNIP> My Connell HARLEY left Donegal in the early 1830s and went to > America. I've been checking all the usual sources (Tithe, > >

Did a check of the Vital Records disk (Hartley) and found no births before 1867 and no marriages in Donegal. This is only a very small collection of data. Bob Cdn. =================================== <SNIP> My Connell HARLEY left Donegal in the early 1830s and went to America. I've been checking all the usual sources (Tithe,

Pat Connors, if you are out there, can you email me? Thanks. Paul Carr eile@comcast.net

My Connell HARLEY left Donegal in the early 1830s and went to America. I've been checking all the usual sources (Tithe, Griffith's, 1901 census, church records, etc., etc.), hoping to find some link to whatever family members he left behind. Lots of possibilities, no definites. I'm also exhausting all possible records in the US, but so far have nothing more specific than "Donegal" for his origins. Now I'm hoping maybe occupations will provide a link. My Connell after he emigrated was a laborer, so that doesn't help. But he had one or two brothers who were shoemakers/cordwainers, and a son who became a glassblower. Since both are the kinds of occupations that tend to run in families, I'm wondering if anyone knows of any HARLEY shoemakers or glassblowers in Donegal in the 1800s. Or, more generally, were there locations in Donegal known for glassblowing? I know glassblowers need ready access to fine sand, so any glassblowing locations would likely be along the coast. Would shoemakers usually be town dwellers? Any occupation-related thought would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Claire K.

.........scary thought/s, Bob.......especially when there is a long line of 'foreigners" just following on one after the other ...!! Stephen Thwaite New Zealand //// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean & Bob Elliott" <jeanbob@primus.ca> To: <DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 5:25 AM Subject: Re: [DONEGALEIRE] Question about traveling in Ireland ....[snip]....Driving on the left > becomes easy when you have another car in front of you, you just do what the > other driver does....[snip]....

Hello Pat, It should be easy enough to arrange to have a car waiting for you at Donegal Airport. Call: 353 (0)74 95 484 16 and I am sure that Stephen can supply you with a car or otherwise put you in contact with someone else. For 1200 dollars, I would nearly drive for you myself. Welcome to Donegal and enjoy your visit. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Thompson" <irish4ever@comcast.net> To: <DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:54 PM Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] Question about traveling in Ireland > Hi everyone! I am actually making my first visit to Ireland in October and > half of the visit will be a coach tour in the south but the other 6 days I > have signed up to do a self drive and am now having second thoughts. I want > to get from Dublin to the Glenties area of Donegal and was wondering if you > could hire just a driver for the 165 mile trip up and back? I want to still > have access to the car for the little driving we would do in Donegal for > research purposes and for our stays at the B&B's there but I don't need a > driver there. It is too late now for us to fly into Donegal airport for > Hertz does not have an office there. To hire a chauffeur from travel co. now > is a minimum $1200 so that is out. Driving on the opposite side of the road > is suddenly has me breaking out in hives. I know some of you have done your > research in Ireland and have driven around and Pete from Mass. has been so > helpful to me would hire him if I could .LOL thanks for any info > > Pat > >

Hi Pat, As other listers have already said, you will CERTAINLY need a car when you get there. It just takes a little courage, some patience and a good sense of humour. All your near-misses and impossible hill passes will be the stuff of after dinner stories for years to come! Incase it helps, here's our experience. So far we've rented a car from Dublin twice, and it took about four and a half hours to get to Dungloe but we survived fine. (Although the sheep around the corner trick was a real heart-stopper!) That said, this year we decided the drive from Dublin was too much of a chore, so we flew in to Carrickfinn and rented a car there. The flights were only 30 Euro each way, and I'd definitely go that way again. It's NOT too late for you if that's what you want - you can book both the flights and the hire car right up to the day before! The airline between Dublin and Donegal is AER ARANN, you can book online: http://www.aerarann.ie/ It's true Hertz doesn't have an office in Carrickfinn but AVIS do! CARRICKFINN AIRPORT has a nice website (with Avis prices): http://www.donegalairport.ie/ Avis Tel. No. at Carrickfinn Airport: 074 9548469 Have fun whatever you do - and don't forget an umbrella and plenty of waterproof clothing! Best Regards, Annemarie Bruinsma Hanlon >-----Original Message----- >From: Pat Thompson [mailto:irish4ever@comcast.net] >Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 09:54 PM >To: DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] Question about traveling in Ireland > >Hi everyone! I am actually making my first visit to Ireland in October and >half of the visit will be a coach tour in the south but the other 6 days I >have signed up to do a self drive and am now having second thoughts. I want >to get from Dublin to the Glenties area of Donegal and was wondering if you >could hire just a driver for the 165 mile trip up and back? I want to still >have access to the car for the little driving we would do in Donegal for >research purposes and for our stays at the B&B's there but I don't need a >driver there. It is too late now for us to fly into Donegal airport for >Hertz does not have an office there. To hire a chauffeur from travel co. now >is a minimum $1200 so that is out. Driving on the opposite side of the road >is suddenly has me breaking out in hives. I know some of you have done your >research in Ireland and have driven around and Pete from Mass. has been so >helpful to me would hire him if I could .LOL thanks for any info > >Pat > > >

Works for me, most every year in England. Bob in Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thwaite" <thwaite@xtra.co.nz> To: "Jean & Bob Elliott" <jeanbob@primus.ca>; <DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [DONEGALEIRE] Question about traveling in Ireland.SCARY THOUGHTS > .........scary thought/s, Bob.......especially when there is a long line of > 'foreigners" just following on one after the other ...!! > > Stephen Thwaite > New Zealand > //// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jean & Bob Elliott" <jeanbob@primus.ca> > To: <DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 5:25 AM > Subject: Re: [DONEGALEIRE] Question about traveling in Ireland > > > ....[snip]....Driving on the left > > becomes easy when you have another car in front of you, you just do what > the > > other driver does....[snip].... > >

Hello Listers, I've thoroughly enjoyed all the comments about traveling in Ireland, and since I'll be making another trip there in a few weeks, thought it was about time to add my two-euros worth (and my prior experiences)! First, about driving. It is intimidating, but doable. In fact, I have driven (and will drive again in late September through October) by myself on trips to Donegal. There are all the issues as mentioned (sheep and cattle on the roads, no shoulders just bogs, few lights or line markers, no street signs, fast drivers, blah, blah, blah) -- and you will drive standard shift on the left-hand side -- but this Ireland and driving is one of the great experiences that you will remember. It is also the most sensible way to get around because there aren't many taxis around. For the timid, there is a McGinley's bus service that locals as well as tourists can use safely between cities. Next, the airport. I have flown into/out of Carrickfinn twice and will again in less than a month. I find this to be the best option, rather than driving from Dublin, which I've also done on several occasions. (Can't face some of those "mountain" crossings without guard rails!) The airfares are inexpensive right now, the flight is quick, and everything is fine except for the fact that you are limited to 20 kilos (about 44 pounds) in total! (That means, no matter whether you have one or two bags, you can only have 44 pounds of "stuff".) Now, maybe some of you travel lighter than I do, but my genealogy files alone must weigh 10 pounds, and the chocolates I bring as hostess gifts must weigh another 10. I have been charged excess baggage rates by Aer Arann on two occasions, and on one of them I actually could have bought another seat on the flight for less money than the overage costs! Cabin baggage is also very, very limited -- both in size because it's a small plane, and in weight (7 lbs.). So, my word to the wise: think light. I think I'll repeat that to myself a few times in anticipation of my trip. I have also booked through Avis at the airport and on all occasions the cars were in very good condition. No problems there except I couldn't figure out how to find reverse. (I asked some young folks who were near a pub. It's actually tricky on the Opel Astra; you pulll up a small rubber circle that is underneath the knob/gear on the shift.) That said, Ireland is so wonderful, and while I wouldn't say I love to drive there, I love to be there so I'll drive. With good wishes to Pat for a wonderful trip. Roseann (hot on the trail of the Colls, Currans and McFaddens in County Donegal)

In a message dated 8/25/2004 5:22:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thwaite@xtra.co.nz writes: > > > .........scary thought/s, Bob.......especially when there is a long line of > 'foreigners" just following on one after the other ...!! > > Stephen Thwaite > i had an automatic with the wheel on the correct side :) all i had to do was keep left shoulder to the stripe Jim Denning Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.-sprague- and ever growing list

I can't understand the problem about driving in Ireland, you drive on the left side which is the right side! Patrick from sunny Sydney

In a message dated 8/25/2004 1:29:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jeanbob@primus.ca writes: > > You can specify a car with automatic transmission; it costs more than a > manual, but you won't have the car for too long. Driving on the left > becomes easy when you have another car in front of you, you just do what the > other driver does , and mumble to yourself "Keep Left , Keep Left" > one difficulty that new england shares , but other side makes difficult is ROTARYS Jim Denning Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.-sprague- and ever growing list

CD 118 Griffiths Valuation Could some kind soul please look up the county and parish listed for John Bail. He might be a distant relative of mine.. Thanks Bud Flanagan in Arizona

You can specify a car with automatic transmission; it costs more than a manual, but you won't have the car for too long. Driving on the left becomes easy when you have another car in front of you, you just do what the other driver does , and mumble to yourself "Keep Left , Keep Left" Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Thompson" <irish4ever@comcast.net> To: <DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 5:54 PM Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] Question about traveling in Ireland > Hi everyone! I am actually making my first visit to Ireland in October and > half of the visit will be a coach tour in the south but the other 6 days I > have signed up to do a self drive and am now having second thoughts. I want > to get from Dublin to the Glenties area of Donegal and was wondering if you > could hire just a driver for the 165 mile trip up and back? I want to still > have access to the car for the little driving we would do in Donegal for > research purposes and for our stays at the B&B's there but I don't need a > driver there. It is too late now for us to fly into Donegal airport for > Hertz does not have an office there. To hire a chauffeur from travel co. now > is a minimum $1200 so that is out. Driving on the opposite side of the road > is suddenly has me breaking out in hives. I know some of you have done your > research in Ireland and have driven around and Pete from Mass. has been so > helpful to me would hire him if I could .LOL thanks for any info > > Pat > >

I want to thank all of you who have helped me see my fear of driving in Ireland in a different light. Especially Michael who gave me really good info which I have printed and James Mundie who made me laugh so hard at his driving experience that I am actually looking forward to having a bad driving experience. LOL I want you all to know that this newsletter is great and all of you people in some way have helped me so much not only in this but last year in finding the birthplace Corr Point, Donegal of my Sweeney grandmother to which I owe Pete from Mass. my undying gratitude especially. And Lindel hope this finds you in good health cause you rock girl! Again my thanks to all Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "James G Mundie" <jimandkatemundie@juno.com> To: <DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [DONEGALEIRE] Question about traveling in Ireland > Take the plunge and just get in that car and drive. You'll do just fine, > and you'll be happy to have the mobility and the freedom to travel > wherever you want to go - especially when traveling down some little road > in Donegal that you think is going where you want (being helpfully > nameless), only to wind up in the middle of some bog without habitation > in sight! > > My last trip to Ireland in '98 was the first time I'd driven there. I > found that driving on the 'other side' posed few problems (though German > tourists seem to have all sorts of issues with this, and you'll see signs > posted in German that basically say "hey, you're going the wrong way!"), > but that getting used to shifting a manual transmission with my left hand > was far more disconcerting, but became second nature after a while. > > I had rented a VW Lupo, which possessed an engine roughly as powerful as > a lawn mower. The Lupo had the lovely habit of stalling out on steep > Donegal hills. This was cause for some concern when rolling backwards > down a steep hill toward the sea. When exploring the area around Ardara > and Glenties (the ancestral stomping grounds of my mysterious McLoone > clan) I had to drive through the Glengesh Pass in that little toy twenty > or thirty times. The magnificence of that scenery could be somewhat > obscured by my agitation as I gingerly coaxed that transmission up the > hill. > > So, avoid the Lupo, take a deep breath, look both ways, give yourself > more time than you think you'll need to get from point A to B, expect to > find an entire flock of sheep in the road around the next bend, and > enjoy! > > Jim > > [researching Mundys, McLoones, McLaughlins and others from in an around > Glenties] > > ________________________________________ > James Mundie > Philadelphia PA, U.S.A. > Prodigies: Anomalous Humans by James G. Mundie > http://www.missioncreep.com/mundie/images/ > >

In a message dated 8/25/2004 1:53:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, patrickhaynes@bigpond.com writes: > > > I can't understand the problem about driving in Ireland, you drive on the > left side which is the right side! > Patrick from sunny Sydney > our forefathers knew european society was sick . so they purposedly separated us from it. this is one good reason why Jim Denning Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.-sprague- and ever growing list

Take the plunge and just get in that car and drive. You'll do just fine, and you'll be happy to have the mobility and the freedom to travel wherever you want to go - especially when traveling down some little road in Donegal that you think is going where you want (being helpfully nameless), only to wind up in the middle of some bog without habitation in sight! My last trip to Ireland in '98 was the first time I'd driven there. I found that driving on the 'other side' posed few problems (though German tourists seem to have all sorts of issues with this, and you'll see signs posted in German that basically say "hey, you're going the wrong way!"), but that getting used to shifting a manual transmission with my left hand was far more disconcerting, but became second nature after a while. I had rented a VW Lupo, which possessed an engine roughly as powerful as a lawn mower. The Lupo had the lovely habit of stalling out on steep Donegal hills. This was cause for some concern when rolling backwards down a steep hill toward the sea. When exploring the area around Ardara and Glenties (the ancestral stomping grounds of my mysterious McLoone clan) I had to drive through the Glengesh Pass in that little toy twenty or thirty times. The magnificence of that scenery could be somewhat obscured by my agitation as I gingerly coaxed that transmission up the hill. So, avoid the Lupo, take a deep breath, look both ways, give yourself more time than you think you'll need to get from point A to B, expect to find an entire flock of sheep in the road around the next bend, and enjoy! Jim [researching Mundys, McLoones, McLaughlins and others from in an around Glenties] ________________________________________ James Mundie Philadelphia PA, U.S.A. Prodigies: Anomalous Humans by James G. Mundie http://www.missioncreep.com/mundie/images/

<SNIP> 6 days I have signed up to do a self drive and am now having second thoughts. <END SNIP> You're doing the right thing Pat! You will need mobility and independence travelling in Donegal. You'll be surprised how quick you'll get used to driving on the 'wrong' side of the road. Not all the roads are good so go for the smallest car with the biggest wheels. Just watch out for the three most dangerous things on Irish roads. Donkeys, sheep and Irish drivers! Slan Henry --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.742 / Virus Database: 495 - Release Date: 19/08/2004

I spent 3 weeks in Ireland last March. I took my son for his 21st birthday and so his driving was out of the question. It would cost 50 dollars a day extra. We rented a car and set off. I drove a manual transmission and had no problem. We started in Shannon and drove basically the whole island. The west side (Galway, Sligo and Donegal) was the hardest. Downtown Galway City was tight. Scared the heck out me.. This was only my second day though. All of the cities in the west have extremely narrow streets.. The rural roadways where absolutely no problem. Don't worry about driving on the other side of the road. I never once went to the wrong side. Roads from Dublin to Donegal were wide. We drove to Glenties (my grandmother was a music teacher there) Those roads are a bit pot holed but we didn't see much traffic. Our trip took us from Shannon to Galway (Clifden) up to Donegal to Dublin to Cork to Ring of Kerry back to Shannon. Driving was one of the funest parts o! f the trip.. no need to break out in hives.. I have many cousins there.. and plan to return bi annually. I can't wait to go back. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: Bibfiles@aol.com<mailto:Bibfiles@aol.com> To: DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:DONEGALEIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [DONEGALEIRE] Question about traveling in Ireland Hi Pat, I just took my first trip to Ireland this past April. Driving on the left can be pretty intimidating in the city (like Dublin), but once you're on the country roads, it's very easy to fall into the pattern. The other trick is the roundabouts at every intersection. Sometimes you can't see the signpost until you've gone around twice! But all in all, it's not that bad. I'm used to driving the freeways in Los Angeles, so Ireland's main highways were a breeze. They are usually two lanes each way. Just give yourself plenty of time traveling between points. On the map the distance may be short, but the condition of the road, or the twistiness of it can really add time to your drive. Good luck, Louise in California