Thanks Dan Interesting web sites,especially the first one,it will be useful in planning our trip to Ramelton Donegal next year if all goes well...we plan to do a little touring down the west coast. We're taking our youngest son John to see his mothers birthplace,she's a McGarvey from Ramelton, we've been over a few times by ourselves...my wife Frances has relatives there. I knew that the Gaelic origin of my name is MacConghail, my Y DNA is part of the North West Irish group connected to Niall of the Nine Hostages. It's proving to be very difficult to find out where my gr.gr.grandfather Hugh was born,and I thought that it might be helpful to find out more about the McGonigles in Inishowen. Anyway,thanks again for your reply All the best Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan McFeeley" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 11:24 AM > Subject: Re: [DONEGALEIRE] ??? McGonigles in Derry . . . > > >> Frank McGonigal wrote: >> >>>I had a look at the 1881 Carrowmenagh evictions and saw a >>>Hugh McGonigle there. There is probably no recent connection, >>>but my gr.gr.grandfather Hugh McGonigal said he was born >>>in Derry in various documents that I have found in Glasgow >>>Scotland,and Kew military records..which said Londonderry >>>by the way. He went to Scotland with his wife Sarah Coyle >>>about 1835-37...he was a tailor by trade and born about >>>1814. Would there have been an earlier exodus of McGonigles >>>from Inishowen to Derry ? >> >> >> It's possible -- I took a quick Google look and found this >> on McGonigle as a Donegal surname: >> >> http://donegal.travelinireland.com/genealogy/genealogy-in-donegal.html >> >> The majority of County Donegal (Accommodation, Donegal, >> Ireland) surnames are Gaelic in origin and some surnames >> are said to be typical of County Donegal, e.g. Friel, >> **McGonigle**, Gallagher, Hegarty, Boyle etc. >> >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegaleire/Donsurnames.html >> >> McGONIGLE..Gael MacConghail..... Erenaghs of Killybegs parish >> and ecclesiastics in Raphoe >> >> >> >

Hi Joan Thanks for your reply, unfortunately the lists etc.are too recent at the moment to help,but they will be helpful if I ever get more info on my gr.gr.grandfather Hugh McGonigal born abt1814 Derry. If I could find parents,siblings etc.it would probably help in tracing his origins in Donegal...Inishowen most likely. Anyway thanks very much for taking the time to check for me. All the best Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada. ~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [DONEGALEIRE] ??? McGonigles in Derry . . . > Hi, > > I don't find the original email with the MCGONIGLE question. > > Anyway, here is my two cents: > > _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hiflyte/iredata/Griff_Val/g > vdonegal.htm_ > (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hiflyte/iredata/Griff_Val/gvdonegal.htm) > > Griffith Valuation lists many MCGONIGLE names. From Bob's Canada list > > _http://www.iol.ie/~inishowen/genealogy/records/Clonmany/Tithes/m3.html_ > (http://www.iol.ie/~inishowen/genealogy/records/Clonmany/Tithes/m3.html) > > _http://www.iol.ie/~inishowen/genealogy/records/Clonmany/Marriage/m3.html_ > (http://www.iol.ie/~inishowen/genealogy/records/Clonmany/Marriage/m3.html) > Hugh > McG > > _http://www.failteromhat.com/flax/derry.php_ > (http://www.failteromhat.com/flax/derry.php) MCGONIGLE > > Good luck! > > Joan > **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all > other > Holiday needs. Search Now. > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from > -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) > When replying to a digest post, quote only the specific text to which you > are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, > remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the > message subject to which you are replying. > > TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY SUBJECT, GO TO THE THREADED ARCHIVES AT > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/DONEGALEIRE/ > > > TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY DATES AND SUBJECT GO TO THE SEARCHABLE ARCHIVES > AT http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=DONEGALEIRE > > SOME HELPFUL WEBSITES: > Donegal Genealogy Resource (Lindel's Site) > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegal/ > Donegaleire Genealogy Links & Data > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ > Bob's Donegal Ireland Genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hiflyte/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I don't find the original email with the MCGONIGLE question. Anyway, here is my two cents: _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hiflyte/iredata/Griff_Val/g vdonegal.htm_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hiflyte/iredata/Griff_Val/gvdonegal.htm) Griffith Valuation lists many MCGONIGLE names. From Bob's Canada list _http://www.iol.ie/~inishowen/genealogy/records/Clonmany/Tithes/m3.html_ (http://www.iol.ie/~inishowen/genealogy/records/Clonmany/Tithes/m3.html) _http://www.iol.ie/~inishowen/genealogy/records/Clonmany/Marriage/m3.html_ (http://www.iol.ie/~inishowen/genealogy/records/Clonmany/Marriage/m3.html) Hugh McG _http://www.failteromhat.com/flax/derry.php_ (http://www.failteromhat.com/flax/derry.php) MCGONIGLE Good luck! Joan **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001)

Frank McGonigal wrote: >I had a look at the 1881 Carrowmenagh evictions and saw a >Hugh McGonigle there. There is probably no recent connection, >but my gr.gr.grandfather Hugh McGonigal said he was born >in Derry in various documents that I have found in Glasgow >Scotland,and Kew military records..which said Londonderry >by the way. He went to Scotland with his wife Sarah Coyle >about 1835-37...he was a tailor by trade and born about >1814. Would there have been an earlier exodus of McGonigles >from Inishowen to Derry ? It's possible -- I took a quick Google look and found this on McGonigle as a Donegal surname: http://donegal.travelinireland.com/genealogy/genealogy-in-donegal.html The majority of County Donegal (Accommodation, Donegal, Ireland) surnames are Gaelic in origin and some surnames are said to be typical of County Donegal, e.g. Friel, **McGonigle**, Gallagher, Hegarty, Boyle etc. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegaleire/Donsurnames.html McGONIGLE..Gael MacConghail..... Erenaghs of Killybegs parish and ecclesiastics in Raphoe <><><><><><><><><><> <><><><><><><><> Dan McFeeley "Meon an phobail a thogail trid an chultur" (The people's spirit is raised through culture)

My question is even more basic. If on a birth record the father's occupation is given as "gamekeeper" and they lived in Meenbogue, [the registry was in Killygordon], who would have employed him, and where might I find the records? Cira 1866, the largest landowner in Meenbogue is Lord Lifford but would other, smaller estates have employed a "gamekeeper"? All suggestions appreciated, Jane in USA --- On Mon, 11/10/08, Peter & Cheri Greenlaw <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Peter & Cheri Greenlaw <[email protected]> > Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] Estate records > To: [email protected] > Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 2:50 AM > Hi , > Can someone Please tell me where I might look or find the > Estate records for Thomas Connolly property's in Donegal > . > Cheri >

While looking through the 1855 Marriages for Scotland in Central District, Glasgow I came across a couple where the bride and groom originated in Donegal. Thomas CONAGHAN and Ann GALLAGHER wed in the Central District of Glasgow. Here is all the data from the Registration. Am not related to this family. Can send JPGs [there are 2 for an 1855 event] if requested. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA 1855 Marriages, Central District, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland entry #41 : On May 7th, 1855 at St. Mary's Chapel, Abercrombie Street, Glasgow Marriage [after Banns] was solemnized between us according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Church of Rome. Thomas CONAGHAN currently and usually residing 16 Jamaica Street Glasgow, 23y [not clear on the 3], Labourer and Bachelor born and Registered in Donegal, Ireland to Michael CONNACHAN, Farmer and Ann CONNACHAN ms MURRAY both deceased. Ann GALLAGHER currently and usually residing Craigneslock Lane Glasgow, 20y a Millworker and Spinster born and Registered in the county of Donegal, Ireland to John GALLACHER, Labourer and Hannah GALLACHER ms McGLUCHY. Signed Roderick CHILSHOM, R.C.C. St. Mary's. Witnesses were Francis McCANN and Hugh FLAHERTY. Registered May 10th at Glasgow, Alexander Waddell, Registrar. Note: Both bride and groom have their surnames spelled differently than their parents names : Thomas is CONAGHAN with a G but his parents are both CONACHANs with a C. Ann is a GALLAGHER with a G in it but parents names are seen as GALLACHER with a C. There is no mistaking the spelling differences. ALSO, the name McGLUCHY has a very specific thick ink line seemingly making McCLUCHY into McGLUCHY. Its an odd place for an errant mark but may be one, can't tell. No more1855 entries until I do more lookups in the Glasgow films....MegG ======================

While looking through the 1855 Marriages for Scotland in Central District, Glasgow I came across a couple where the bride originated in Donegal. Stephen KENNEDY and Hannah GALLACHER wed in the Central District of Glasgow. Here is all the data from the Registration. Am not related to this family. Can send JPGs [there are 2 for an 1855 event] if requested. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA 1855 Marriages Central District, Glasgow, Scotland entry #306 : On November 19th at St. Mungo's Chapel Stanhope Street, Glasgow Marriage [after Banns] was solemnized between us according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the R. Cath. Church. Stephen KENNEDY, his mark [X] currently and usually residing Carnbrae, Parish of Bothwell, 21y a Collier and Bachelor born and Registered 9 Aug, 1834 at Airdrie to Henry KENNEDY, Labourer and Elisabeth KENNEDY ms MALONE. Hannah GALLACHER, her mark [X] currently and usually residing Pettigrew Street, Glasgow, 20y a Millworker and Spinster born and Registered 8th April, 1835 in the county of Donegal, Ireland to Thomas GALLACHER, Labourer and Mary GALLACHER ms MECHAN both deceased. Signed Arch'd CHISHOLM R. C. Clergyman St. Mungo's Glasgow. Witnesses were Mary McCARTNEY and Margaret MALEN who signed. Both Marks [X] witnessed by William BROWN. Registered 21 November, Glasgow. Thomas Davidson, Registrar.

While looking through the 1855 Marriages for Scotland in Central District, Glasgow I came across a couple where the groom originated in Donegal. William JENKINS and Elisabeth JOHNSON wed in the Central District of Glasgow. Here is all the data from the Registration. Am not related to this family. Can send JPGs [there are 2 for an 1855 event] if requested. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA 1855 Marriages, Central District, Glasgow entry #68 : On April 20, 1855 at Montrose Street, Glasgow. Marriage [after Banns] was solemnized between us according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church of Scotland. William JENKINS currently and usually residing 127 Finnieston Street, Anderston Glasgow, 24y a Potter and Bachelor born in the county of Donegal, Ireland to James JENKINS, Potter and Jane JENKINS ms CROZAR. Wed to Elisabeth JOHNSON currently residing 15 Castle Street Glasgow, usually residing 127 Finnieston Street, Anderston Glasgow, 20y a Millworker and Spinster born on Castle Street, Glasgow to James JOHNSON, Engine Keeper and Mary JOHNSON ms SUMNER. Signed Alexander LECK, Minister of Martyrs Church, Glasgow. Witnesses were John JOHNSON and William MARROW. Registered April 21 at Glasgow. Thomas Davidson, Registrar. ==================

This was not a Birth, it was a MARRIAGE, I fixed some errant typos, here is the corrected post. Meg Greenwood While looking through the 1855 MARRIAGES for Scotland in Central District, Glasgow I came across a couple where the groom originated in Donegal. Neil DEVINE and Sarah WALDRON wed in the Central District of Glasgow. Here is all the data from the Registration. Am not related to this family. Can send JPGs [there are 2 for an 1855 event] if requested. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA 1855 Births, Central District, Glasgow entry #219 : On Aug 20, 1855 at St. Mungo's Chapel, Stanhope Street, Glasgow, Marriage [after Banns] was solemnized between us according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Catholic Church. Neil DEVINE, his mark [X] currently and usually residing 349 Gallowgate Street, Glasgow, 29y a Labourer and Bachelor born and Registered in the County of Donegal, Ireland son of Edward DEVINE, Labourer and Helen DEVINE ms SWEENIE both deceased. Wed to Sarah WALDRON, her mark [X] [both marks witnessed by John WALDRON and Edward DEVINE]. Currently and usually residing 41 New Vennel, Glasgow, 28y a Widow [this was her 2nd marriage] born and Registered in the county of Roscommon, Ireland daughter of John WALDRON, Labourer and Ann WALDRON ms FADYEN both deceased. Signed Arch'd CHISHOLM, Cath. Clergyman St. Mungo's Glasgow. Witnesses were John WALDRON and Edward DEVINE. Registered 22 August Glasgow, Thomas Davidson, Registrar. ========================

While looking throught the 1855 Births for Scotland in Central District, Glasgow I came across a couple where the groom originated in Donegal. Neil DEVINE and Sarah WALDRON wed in the Central District of Glasgow. Here is all the data from the Registration. I am not related to this family. Can send JPGs [there are 2 for an 1855 event] if requested. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA 1855 Births, Central Districe, Glasgow entry #219 : On Aug 20, 1855 at St. Mungo's Chapel, Stanhope Street, Glasgow, Marriage [after Banns]was solemnized between us according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Catholic Church. Neil DEVINE, his mark [X] currently and usually residing 349 Gallowgate Street, Glasgow, 29y a Labourer and Bachelor born and Registered in the County of Donegal, Ireland, son of Edward DEVINE, Labourer and Helen DEVINE ms SWEENIE both deceased. Wed to Sarah WALDRON, her mark [X] [both marks witnessed by John WALDRON and Edward DEVINE]. Currently and usually residing 41 New Vennel, Glasgow, 28y a Widow [this was her 2nd marriage] born and Registered in the county of Roscommon, Ireland, daughter of John WALDRON, Labourer and Ann WALDRON ms FADYEN both deceased. Signed Arch'd CHISHOLM, Cath Clergyman St. Mungo's Glasgow. Witnesses were John WALDR"ON and Edward DEVINE. Registered 22 August Glasgow, Thomas Davidson, Registrar. ========================

While looking throught the 1855 Births for Scotland in Central District, Glasgow I came across a couple originating in Donegal. Here is all the data on the Registration. I am not related to this family. Can send JPGs [there are 2 for an 1855 event] if requested. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA ===================== 1855 Births, Central District, Glasgow entry #161 : Allice KELLY born 17 Feb, 4am at 20 Candleriggs Street Glasgow to Burnet KELLY, Tailor, 30y born Donegal, Ireland and Margaret WOODS maiden name [not given, a line through this area] Married name KELLY. 2nd child, 28y born Donegal, Ireland. They wed 1852 in Greenock and had 1 girl already living at this birth. Signed [X] Burnet KELLY, father witnessed by William BROWN and William ALCORN. Registered 27 Feb, 1855 at Glasgow, Thomas Davidson, Registrar. =====================

Loretta thank you for sharing this great explanation with all of us. I expect that many others will have learned a lot from it, as I have done. And thanks to Ed for asking the question which prompted this reply. Regards to all. ray in oz. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loretta" <[email protected]> > Ed, I assume you are asking whether it's likely child #10 was not of the > same father as 1-9, but there are too many variables to predict such a > thing. ...

I have a brother-in-law who is a Professor of Primary Care and who has written a book on depression in its widercontext- See the URL http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/product/0198526326/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt/278-5369633-2574842?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1 for some reviews It might be useful to get a copy (local library) and become up-to-date on this subject. Alternatively, sections of the book are available to read at the URL http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=SQ49G5loJrwC&dq=Dowrick+Depression&pg=PP1&ots=wD3gf3IeFb&source=bn&sig=YLMZChKRek6GMTgDCbyiBxmMQpM&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#PPP1,M1 Liam "A bird in the bush is worth two in the cat" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward D Costello" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 2:35 PM Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] Fw: ??? > > > The question I should have asked: "is it probable"? ........... Ed > > > ToWhomItMayInterest: > > Mr/Mrs X had 10 kids; i.e. #1-#10. Descendents of the 10th kid, (who was > suicidal,) over the next 3 generations, produced ~9 instances of clinical > depression, deep depression, suicides & other sizable psychiatric > problems > including "state hospital" confinements. Descendents of kids #1-#9, who > are knowledgable people, report zero instances of occurances of the > magnitude that occured with kid #10. Question: is this feasible? ....... > Ed >

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You're very welcome Ray. I'm glad it was helpful to you, as it was to me. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 09:40 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DONEGALEIRE] DNA Loretta thank you for sharing this great explanation with all of us. I expect that many others will have learned a lot from it, as I have done. And thanks to Ed for asking the question which prompted this reply. Regards to all. ray in oz.

Hi Dan I had a look at the 1881 Carrowmenagh evictions and saw a Hugh McGonigle there. There is probably no recent connection,but my gr.gr.grandfather Hugh McGonigal said he was born in Derry in various documents that I have found in Glasgow Scotland,and Kew military records..which said Londonderry by the way. He went to Scotland with his wife Sarah Coyle about 1835-37...he was a tailor by trade and born about 1814. Would there have been an earlier exodus of McGonigles from Inishowen to Derry ? Thanks Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan McFeeley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [DONEGALEIRE] ??? > Edward D Costello wrte: > >>Mr/Mrs X had 10 kids; i.e. #1-#10. Descendents of >>the 10th kid, (who was suicidal,) over the next 3 >>generations, produced ~9 instances of clinical >>depression, deep depression, suicides & other >>sizable psychiatric problems including "state >>hospital" confinements. Descendents of kids #1-#9, >>who are knowledgable people, report zero instances >>of occurances of the magnitude that occured with >>kid #10. Question: is this feasible? ....... > > I work in the mental health field at one of local hospitals, > either on the hospital unit itself or in the emergency > room, doing the ER pyschiatric intake. Part of the > interview covers social and personal history, including > any family history of psychiatric diagnosis and treatment. > > We're more or less a small town area, and over a period > of years, I've gotten to know a lot about some of local > families. I can cautiously say yes, I've seen many > conditions we work with regarding our patients also showing > up in the family line. Something like what you're describing, > one child out of ten founding a generational line of serious > conditions seems very unlikely, and not something I've seen > with any of our patients in their own family line. > > The genetic component of mental illness is well documented, > especially with identical twin studies. With twins, it can > be seen that, although the concordance rate for mental > illness is high, it's not necessarily certain that if one > twin has a psychatric condition, the other will also have it. > > Take a look here: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concordance_(genetics) > > The actual genetic picture can be more complicated. > Bringing this more specifically to Donegal genealogy, > we have a picture of Hannah McFeely, born in Carrowmenagh > Donegal, in 1869. She has an astonishingly strong > physical resemblance to one of my sisters, yet, this > is going back three generations. > > I contributed the picture to the Moville Inishowen web > site. You can see it here, at the bottom of the page: > > http://www.movilleinishowen.com/history/genealogy/Carrowmenagh_Evictions.htm > > Our daughter, now age 11, has gone through some fast growth > phases recently and changed a great deal. We have a copy of > John A. McLaughlin's book, Carrowmenagh: History of a Donegal > Village and Townland, and I've scanned the book pretty carefully, > looking for scraps of our family history. > > It suddenly hit me, there is now a strong physical resemblance, > facially, between our daughter and a picture of Charlie McFeely > in a 1930 National school portrait. He looks to be close to > the same age as our daughter in the photo. I've shown the > picture to a number of other people and they can see it too. > >

The question I should have asked: "is it probable"? ........... Ed ToWhomItMayInterest: Mr/Mrs X had 10 kids; i.e. #1-#10. Descendents of the 10th kid, (who was suicidal,) over the next 3 generations, produced ~9 instances of clinical depression, deep depression, suicides & other sizable psychiatric problems including "state hospital" confinements. Descendents of kids #1-#9, who are knowledgable people, report zero instances of occurances of the magnitude that occured with kid #10. Question: is this feasible? ....... Ed ____________________________________________________________ Click for online loan, fast & no lender fee, approval today http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m3WL7SlEXlGI1vgpFLANl8ObzEREJjNp5Sm4tJQHi2qEvAo/

Ed, I assume you are asking whether it's likely child #10 was not of the same father as 1-9, but there are too many variables to predict such a thing. Depression and related ailments can but do not always have an underlying genetic cause. Even if the descendants did acquire a "bad" gene from #10, it is possible that #10, in some pre-natal developmental stage, experienced a genetic mutation, which is in fact an error in DNA replication, which was then passed on to his or her offspring but of course not to the offspring of 1-9. Genetic mutation occurs after conception with varying frequency for different types of DNA. Also, we know that people who suffer with depression often "self medicate" with alcohol and/or drugs (which was particularly true when there was no adequate medical treatment for depression). This could impact the children two ways. First, if #10 was a woman, the children she carried may have been further damaged by such substances in her body. Second, #10 almost certainly exhibited behaviors that would have aggravated his or her own offspring's predisposition to psychiatric/ mental/emotional problems. Not to be overlooked is the fact that certain foods promote healthy body chemistry, including chemicals which govern a person's emotions. A depressed person who self medicates often has a very poor diet lacking in those foods which help the body to produce those chemicals. If the spouse is similarly disposed, the diet offered to their offspring also may have been deficient. I have a cousin who is a physics professor, he gave me this explanation (three paragraphs) of how genetic mutations occur ... "Everyone receives half of their nuclear DNA from each parent. We have 22 pairs of chromosomes (cleverly called Chromosomes 1 through 22) plus two sex-determining chromosomes called X and Y. ... In a complicated process called 'recombination,' which happens when you produce your own reproductive cells, your two copies of each set of Chromosomes 1 through 22 find each other. They then 'line up' and swap different segments. The chromosomes that are then passed into your reproductive cells are a mixture of what you received from your parents. This is why children of the same parents can be so different. Each child gets a different sampling of DNA from their grandparents. Since this mixing or recombination happens at each generation, it is impossible to track most DNA back through the generations. "During normal cellular processes, every time one of the cells in your body replicates (splits into two 'daughter' cells), it must split apart each DNA molecule into two halves and then make the two 'missing' halves. The 'missing' halves can be faithfully reproduced based on the base pairing scheme [description not included here]. For instance, any A must be paired with a T. The end result of this process is that you now have all of the DNA you need for each daughter cell. This replication process is done very carefully. There is even a proof-reading step in which the sequence of bases in the newly manufactured 'missing' half is checked to see if it matches the original half. If it does not, the error is corrected. However, this proof-reading process *isn't perfect*, and errors are occasionally undetected. "An error in replication of your DNA can have disastrous consequences. Many genetic diseases are caused by such errors." Ed, I'm sorry there is no simple, conclusive answer to your question. However, I would not recommend relying on psychological/emotional history as evidence for parentage. Loretta -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Edward D Costello Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 23:46 To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] ??? ToWhomItMayInterest: Mr/Mrs X had 10 kids; i.e. #1-#10. Descendents of the 10th kid, (who was suicidal,) over the next 3 generations, produced ~9 instances of clinical depression, deep depression, suicides & other sizable psychiatric problems including "state hospital" confinements. Descendents of kids #1-#9, who are knowledgable people, report zero instances of occurances of the magnitude that occured with kid #10. Question: is this feasible? ....... Ed

Edward D Costello wrte: >Mr/Mrs X had 10 kids; i.e. #1-#10. Descendents of >the 10th kid, (who was suicidal,) over the next 3 >generations, produced ~9 instances of clinical >depression, deep depression, suicides & other >sizable psychiatric problems including "state >hospital" confinements. Descendents of kids #1-#9, >who are knowledgable people, report zero instances >of occurances of the magnitude that occured with >kid #10. Question: is this feasible? ....... I work in the mental health field at one of local hospitals, either on the hospital unit itself or in the emergency room, doing the ER pyschiatric intake. Part of the interview covers social and personal history, including any family history of psychiatric diagnosis and treatment. We're more or less a small town area, and over a period of years, I've gotten to know a lot about some of local families. I can cautiously say yes, I've seen many conditions we work with regarding our patients also showing up in the family line. Something like what you're describing, one child out of ten founding a generational line of serious conditions seems very unlikely, and not something I've seen with any of our patients in their own family line. The genetic component of mental illness is well documented, especially with identical twin studies. With twins, it can be seen that, although the concordance rate for mental illness is high, it's not necessarily certain that if one twin has a psychatric condition, the other will also have it. Take a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concordance_(genetics) The actual genetic picture can be more complicated. Bringing this more specifically to Donegal genealogy, we have a picture of Hannah McFeely, born in Carrowmenagh Donegal, in 1869. She has an astonishingly strong physical resemblance to one of my sisters, yet, this is going back three generations. I contributed the picture to the Moville Inishowen web site. You can see it here, at the bottom of the page: http://www.movilleinishowen.com/history/genealogy/Carrowmenagh_Evictions.htm Our daughter, now age 11, has gone through some fast growth phases recently and changed a great deal. We have a copy of John A. McLaughlin's book, Carrowmenagh: History of a Donegal Village and Townland, and I've scanned the book pretty carefully, looking for scraps of our family history. It suddenly hit me, there is now a strong physical resemblance, facially, between our daughter and a picture of Charlie McFeely in a 1930 National school portrait. He looks to be close to the same age as our daughter in the photo. I've shown the picture to a number of other people and they can see it too. The resemblance may be fleeting, apparently my father looked like this also at about the same age, but he does not look like Charlie McFeely as an adult (there are pictures of Charlie as a grown adult in the book). So yes, the actual genetic picture in a family line can be very complex, with family traits appearing and reappearing down the line. Also, yet one more reason why we search. It's more than learning about who we are and where we came from, it's learning about why we are the way we are. <><><><><><><><><><> <><><><><><><><> Dan McFeeley "Meon an phobail a thogail trid an chultur" (The people's spirit is raised through culture)

ToWhomItMayInterest: Mr/Mrs X had 10 kids; i.e. #1-#10. Descendents of the 10th kid, (who was suicidal,) over the next 3 generations, produced ~9 instances of clinical depression, deep depression, suicides & other sizable psychiatric problems including "state hospital" confinements. Descendents of kids #1-#9, who are knowledgable people, report zero instances of occurances of the magnitude that occured with kid #10. Question: is this feasible? ....... Ed ____________________________________________________________ Live the good life! Click now for great retirement planning assistance! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mK7B20GUEQTHIsdQL9fuK3ng9UvrX6gUAP26YfUhjNnOEg0/