Greetings fellow Schwabians, This is an account from my Tante (Aunt) who is alive and well today, she was born 1930 in Karlovac, Banat and left when she was 13 years old to live with friends in Austria with her mother Mathilde (knee Vojna in Werschetz, Banat), younger brother (my father born Graz, Austria 1937 - they visited Austria over time), and a hired laborer, to avoid the bombing and bloodshed of the war. As they were fleeing "the allies", my father was shot in the leg... they wanted to amputate his leg, but Mathilde would not allow them, which was a very good thing as all healed well in time. My father also corroborated some of this information earlier in my life, but he was seven years younger than my Tante, both children of Anton and Mathilde migrated to The United States of America in the early 1950's. Her father and my Grandfather, Anton Baitz grew up in Hetin, Banat his family was dwelling in the Banat for 250-300 years, they were from the Black Forest region in Germany and came to Banat through Ulm. In Wien the spelling of their surname was changed from Beitz to Baitz. The family practiced the Catholic faith. Anton's father Michael Baitz was a butcher and Anton's mother's name was Magdellena (Lena), they were both taken by the red army and never seen or heard of again after the war as they were proud to be German and stated such to the authorities that divided up the peoples in that area at the time. My Aunts account is they were living with friends in Austria and were ordered to report back to the Banat (then in Jugoslav/Yugoslavia) shortly after the war, my Grandmother spoke multiple languages and said she was Hungarian not German and her daughter was a deaf mute and couldn't talk. That's how they were released, but her father and mother in law were taken away and never seen or heard of again. We can only assume they were taken off to death or labor camps somewhere. They were separated from Anton - who was a doctor - as he had no choice but to serve in the war under duress, and after the war he went to Austria. Anton was a surgeon (later dentist) through University Hospital in Salzburg Austria (he had studied at the University of Graz), he could never find a trace of his parents though he tried very hard to find them. His family lost all their homes, lands and possessions as all was taken from them and many others after the war. Anton Baitz also had an uncle Anton Michael Baitz. See old photos #1 below of his father Michael, wife Magdellena, Anton himself, uncle Anton Michael, and mother of Michael standing in front of their house in Hetin (Tamasfalva). The older woman in front of picture #2 is stated by Anton to be his grandmother, as written on the back with this information by Anton Baitz that I've attached to this posting. I'm seeking to find Michael and Magdellena parents names and surnames and all related ancesters to know our genelogy. Any assitance you can give me to point me in the right direction is much appreciated. Thank you. Helmuth Baitz [AntonBaitzFamilyHetinBanat01.png]. [AntonBaitzFamilyHetinBanat02.png] Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email.

Dear Helmuth: I have some birth/baptismal records for Karlsdorf and Tomsdorf. Unfortunately they are in dated order. If you have eact dates I can review the records for your names. Eileen Lund-Johnson Minnesota On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 11:14 AM, PG Baitz <[email protected]> wrote: > Greetings fellow Schwabians, > > This is an account from my Tante (Aunt) who is alive and well today, she > was born 1930 in Karlovac, Banat and left when she was 13 years old to live > with friends in Austria with her mother Mathilde (knee Vojna in Werschetz, > Banat), younger brother (my father born Graz, Austria 1937 - they visited > Austria over time), and a hired laborer, to avoid the bombing and bloodshed > of the war. As they were fleeing "the allies", my father was shot in the > leg... they wanted to amputate his leg, but Mathilde would not allow them, > which was a very good thing as all healed well in time. My father also > corroborated some of this information earlier in my life, but he was seven > years younger than my Tante, both children of Anton and Mathilde migrated > to The United States of America in the early 1950's. > > Her father and my Grandfather, Anton Baitz grew up in Hetin, Banat his > family was dwelling in the Banat for 250-300 years, they were from the > Black Forest region in Germany and came to Banat through Ulm. In Wien the > spelling of their surname was changed from Beitz to Baitz. The family > practiced the Catholic faith. > > Anton's father Michael Baitz was a butcher and Anton's mother's name was > Magdellena (Lena), they were both taken by the red army and never seen or > heard of again after the war as they were proud to be German and stated > such to the authorities that divided up the peoples in that area at the > time. My Aunts account is they were living with friends in Austria and were > ordered to report back to the Banat (then in Jugoslav/Yugoslavia) shortly > after the war, my Grandmother spoke multiple languages and said she was > Hungarian not German and her daughter was a deaf mute and couldn't talk. > That's how they were released, but her father and mother in law were taken > away and never seen or heard of again. We can only assume they were taken > off to death or labor camps somewhere. They were separated from Anton - who > was a doctor - as he had no choice but to serve in the war under duress, > and after the war he went to Austria. Anton was a surgeon (later dentist) > through University Hospital in Salzburg Austria (he had studied at the > University of Graz), he could never find a trace of his parents though he > tried very hard to find them. His family lost all their homes, lands and > possessions as all was taken from them and many others after the war. > > Anton Baitz also had an uncle Anton Michael Baitz. See old photos #1 below > of his father Michael, wife Magdellena, Anton himself, uncle Anton Michael, > and mother of Michael standing in front of their house in Hetin > (Tamasfalva). The older woman in front of picture #2 is stated by Anton to > be his grandmother, as written on the back with this information by Anton > Baitz that I've attached to this posting. > > I'm seeking to find Michael and Magdellena parents names and surnames and > all related ancesters to know our genelogy. > > Any assitance you can give me to point me in the right direction is much > appreciated. > > Thank you. > > Helmuth Baitz > > [AntonBaitzFamilyHetinBanat01.png]. > > [AntonBaitzFamilyHetinBanat02.png] > > Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Helmut, Your family history is a sad story, only too typical of what that senseless war brought to our people. Yes, people could be taken away and never seen or heard from again. My maternal grandmother was a BEITZ. Her ancestors came from the Lorraine (Deutsch-Lothringen) localities of Bühl (Buhl), Dreibrunnen (Trois Fontaines), Sankt Quirin (Saint-Quirin). My BEITZ/PAIZ Anton came to Bogarosch (Banat), where he was married in 1787. His descendants (in my line) were born successively as follows: BEITZ/PEITZ Franz *1815 in Sigmundfeld; BEITZ Nikolaus *1855 in Neusiedel; BEITZ Katharina *1883 in Neusiedel. The Familienbuch Bogarosch list several other BEITZ families. Some BEITZ lived, either temporarily or permanently, in Cincinnati Ohio, USA. Good luck in your research! Nick Tullius -----Original Message----- From: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of PG Baitz via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 12:15 To: DVHH Posts; Banat List Subject: [DVHH] Hetin, Banat Geneology Search Guidance BAITZ Surname Greetings fellow Schwabians, This is an account from my Tante (Aunt) who is alive and well today, she was born 1930 in Karlovac, Banat and left when she was 13 years old to live with friends in Austria with her mother Mathilde (knee Vojna in Werschetz, Banat), younger brother (my father born Graz, Austria 1937 - they visited Austria over time), and a hired laborer, to avoid the bombing and bloodshed of the war. As they were fleeing "the allies", my father was shot in the leg... they wanted to amputate his leg, but Mathilde would not allow them, which was a very good thing as all healed well in time. My father also corroborated some of this information earlier in my life, but he was seven years younger than my Tante, both children of Anton and Mathilde migrated to The United States of America in the early 1950's. Her father and my Grandfather, Anton Baitz grew up in Hetin, Banat his family was dwelling in the Banat for 250-300 years, they were from the Black Forest region in Germany and came to Banat through Ulm. In Wien the spelling of their surname was changed from Beitz to Baitz. The family practiced the Catholic faith. Anton's father Michael Baitz was a butcher and Anton's mother's name was Magdellena (Lena), they were both taken by the red army and never seen or heard of again after the war as they were proud to be German and stated such to the authorities that divided up the peoples in that area at the time. My Aunts account is they were living with friends in Austria and were ordered to report back to the Banat (then in Jugoslav/Yugoslavia) shortly after the war, my Grandmother spoke multiple languages and said she was Hungarian not German and her daughter was a deaf mute and couldn't talk. That's how they were released, but her father and mother in law were taken away and never seen or heard of again. We can only assume they were taken off to death or labor camps somewhere. They were separated from Anton - who was a doctor - as he had no choice but to serve in the war under duress, and after the war he went to Austria. Anton was a surgeon (later dentist) through University Hospital in Salzburg Austria (he had studied at the University of Graz), he could never find a trace of his parents though he tried very hard to find them. His family lost all their homes, lands and possessions as all was taken from them and many others after the war. Anton Baitz also had an uncle Anton Michael Baitz. See old photos #1 below of his father Michael, wife Magdellena, Anton himself, uncle Anton Michael, and mother of Michael standing in front of their house in Hetin (Tamasfalva). The older woman in front of picture #2 is stated by Anton to be his grandmother, as written on the back with this information by Anton Baitz that I've attached to this posting. I'm seeking to find Michael and Magdellena parents names and surnames and all related ancesters to know our genelogy. Any assitance you can give me to point me in the right direction is much appreciated. Thank you. Helmuth Baitz [AntonBaitzFamilyHetinBanat01.png]. [AntonBaitzFamilyHetinBanat02.png] Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Nick, Thank you greatly for all this detailed information, very much appreciated. We will certainly be looking into this. From my grandfather Anton Baitz, I have a handwritten letter from him to my father in 1978, mentioning that the Baitz name was changed in Wien (Vienna) from Beitz to Baitz, and that the name and family is related to Johannes Beitz and Maria Barbara from 1670 who were in Gehlweiler, Germany. I looked into this, and found an online account of poet Janos Pilinszky whose family traced a marriage connection back to the same Johnnes Beitz and Maria Barbara connection and subsequent Baitz's. ( URL [https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilinszky_J%C3%A1nos ) ](https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilinszky_J%C3%A1nos)I don't know what my grandfather's source was for his written letter account to my father, but the names and years match. But the Pilinszky account of Beitz/Baitz drops to another branch of Baitz's not related to mine. We also received more information about my great-grandfather Michael Baitz on the Banat-L related to the Ostern area of Banat, which is extremely close to Neusiedel and Bogarosch, apparently all areas with the Baitz name. And Hetin (Tamasfalva) where my grandfather Michael Baitz had his house in 1926, is just south/west of there ( just over the modern day Romanian border in modern day Serbia - Vojvodina - border area). Many thanks and good genealogy, Helmuth Baitz Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Hetin, Banat Geneology Search Guidance BAITZ Surname > Local Time: November 11, 2017 2:47 PM > UTC Time: November 11, 2017 7:47 PM > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > 'PG' <[email protected]> > > Hello Helmut, > > Your family history is a sad story, only too typical of what that senseless > war brought to our people. Yes, people could be taken away and never seen or > heard from again. > My maternal grandmother was a BEITZ. Her ancestors came from the Lorraine > (Deutsch-Lothringen) localities of Bühl (Buhl), Dreibrunnen (Trois > Fontaines), Sankt Quirin (Saint-Quirin). > My BEITZ/PAIZ Anton came to Bogarosch (Banat), where he was married in 1787. > His descendants (in my line) were born successively as follows: > BEITZ/PEITZ Franz *1815 in Sigmundfeld; > BEITZ Nikolaus *1855 in Neusiedel; > BEITZ Katharina *1883 in Neusiedel. > The Familienbuch Bogarosch list several other BEITZ families. > Some BEITZ lived, either temporarily or permanently, in Cincinnati Ohio, > USA. > > Good luck in your research! > > Nick Tullius > > -----Original Message----- > From: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of PG Baitz > via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES > Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 12:15 > To: DVHH Posts; Banat List > Subject: [DVHH] Hetin, Banat Geneology Search Guidance BAITZ Surname > > Greetings fellow Schwabians, > > This is an account from my Tante (Aunt) who is alive and well today, she was > born 1930 in Karlovac, Banat and left when she was 13 years old to live with > friends in Austria with her mother Mathilde (knee Vojna in Werschetz, > Banat), younger brother (my father born Graz, Austria 1937 - they visited > Austria over time), and a hired laborer, to avoid the bombing and bloodshed > of the war. As they were fleeing "the allies", my father was shot in the > leg... they wanted to amputate his leg, but Mathilde would not allow them, > which was a very good thing as all healed well in time. My father also > corroborated some of this information earlier in my life, but he was seven > years younger than my Tante, both children of Anton and Mathilde migrated to > The United States of America in the early 1950's. > > Her father and my Grandfather, Anton Baitz grew up in Hetin, Banat his > family was dwelling in the Banat for 250-300 years, they were from the Black > Forest region in Germany and came to Banat through Ulm. In Wien the spelling > of their surname was changed from Beitz to Baitz. The family practiced the > Catholic faith. > > Anton's father Michael Baitz was a butcher and Anton's mother's name was > Magdellena (Lena), they were both taken by the red army and never seen or > heard of again after the war as they were proud to be German and stated such > to the authorities that divided up the peoples in that area at the time. My > Aunts account is they were living with friends in Austria and were ordered > to report back to the Banat (then in Jugoslav/Yugoslavia) shortly after the > war, my Grandmother spoke multiple languages and said she was Hungarian not > German and her daughter was a deaf mute and couldn't talk. That's how they > were released, but her father and mother in law were taken away and never > seen or heard of again. We can only assume they were taken off to death or > labor camps somewhere. They were separated from Anton - who was a doctor - > as he had no choice but to serve in the war under duress, and after the war > he went to Austria. Anton was a surgeon (later dentist) through University > Hospital in Salzburg Austria (he had studied at the University of Graz), he > could never find a trace of his parents though he tried very hard to find > them. His family lost all their homes, lands and possessions as all was > taken from them and many others after the war. > > Anton Baitz also had an uncle Anton Michael Baitz. See old photos #1 below > of his father Michael, wife Magdellena, Anton himself, uncle Anton Michael, > and mother of Michael standing in front of their house in Hetin > (Tamasfalva). The older woman in front of picture #2 is stated by Anton to > be his grandmother, as written on the back with this information by Anton > Baitz that I've attached to this posting. > > I'm seeking to find Michael and Magdellena parents names and surnames and > all related ancesters to know our genelogy. > > Any assitance you can give me to point me in the right direction is much > appreciated. > > Thank you. > > Helmuth Baitz > > [AntonBaitzFamilyHetinBanat01.png]. > > [AntonBaitzFamilyHetinBanat02.png] > > Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message