Hello Eve and Larry, Thank you very much for this information! Larry, I see that an Adam Dietrich listed in Tscherwenka that moved to Katsch. Did the records on file tell you they were from the Heidelberg area? Or did you find that somewhere else? I actually grew up in the Heidelberg area and my wife was born and raised there. Have you taken a DNA test? I'm hoping DNA can give me clues as to where my ancestors lived. Maybe I really need to consider hiring a professional from Novi Sad. I could travel there myself, but though I'm somewhat fluent in German, I don't speak a work of Serbian. I feel like I'm just banging my head on this "brick wall"! If the Neuburg chrurch record was in error, maybe my 2 x great grandfather was not even born in Kischker and my Dietrichs were never even there. ???? Thanks again! Kind regards, Kelly ________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:19 PM To: 'Kelly Dazet' Subject: Re: [DVHH] About lookups and roll calls Hello Kelly Looking at all the roll call posts and the concern if the information from various sources is correct I can offer the following: My grandmother was a Dietrich and she was born in Katsch. I visited Katsch in 2004 and was fortunate to be allowed to view the hand written ledgers that were housed in the "city hall". They contained all the births, deaths and marriages that occurred in the village. I found numerous entries related to my Dietrich's. Also one of my distant cousins here in my Missouri (family was from Katsch/Crvenka but not Dietrich's) hired a researcher from Novi Sad who went to the archive center there and found 10 pages of records associated with his family. I realize that both of these options cost money but the information in many cases is available but probably not an option for most. My Dietrich's originally were from the Heidelberg area. When they left they originally settled in Crvenka before moving to Katsch in the middle 1800's. Larry ----------------------------------------- From: "Kelly Dazet via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES" To: "Bastian Dornbach", "[email protected]" Cc: Sent: 18-Jan-2018 17:46:46 +0000 Subject: Re: [DVHH] About lookups and roll calls Thank you Bastian! That is, of course very good advice. I personally have been able to verify many mistakes in various books and other documents that I've read. Stader's Sammelwerk is just a compilation of information from many sources, that may, or may not be accurate. For example for the Dietrichs that I am researching in Kischker, he uses Lorenz's Unforgettable Kischker as his source and Lornez say Michael Dietrich was the borther of Nikolaus, when in fact he was a cousin. Also Dr. Karl Stumpp's huge volume of work, "The Emmigration from Germany to Russia", which is widely used as a sort of "Bible" by Germans from Russia, if filled with errors. That emigration, BTW included many Donauschaben from the Batscka and Bannat. Good that keep in mind while doing your research. I'm getting to the point where I am sometime's skeptical of KB entries as well. Who's to say that they are all 100% accurate. Of course there are no known Lutheran church records for where my Donauschaben ancestors lived in Kischker, Tscherwenka and Werbass/Neuwerbass. Only the available OSB/OFBs. Unless they are hidden is some archives in Serbia. Kind regards, Kelly ________________________________ From: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> on behalf of Bastian Dornbach via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 2:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [DVHH] About lookups and roll calls I would like to share some thoughts about all the lookups and roll calls: As convenient as it might look to just receive all information from books, please always be aware that information might not be correct. From my own experience I know that e.g. the Tschanad Family book has a lot of flaws (wrong date of death, wrong conclusions about parents,…). Furthermore regarding my early ancestors who came from the Holy Roman Empire of German Nations (Germany) into the Banat, the author from the Tschanad Family book just copied the information from Stader, Treude etc. – which was also wrong. That led to me making wrong assumptions and finally standing there without ancestors, because the people who were supposed to have left Germany to the Banat in 1765 DID NOT leave their home town – and also died there. There were two people with the same name in the village, who both had a son that also had the same name, both born only four months apart in 1764 (I know! What a coincidence!). Treude just picked the wrong one, even though the data given in the church books in Tschanad then didn’t match with the data from the German church books (e.g. wrong name of my ancestor’s wife that also died already in Germany right after giving birth to the son – so there was no way she lived and died in Tschanad then. Furthermore, the name of the wife that died in Tschanad didn’t match with the name of the wife in Germany). Only by going into the church record by myself (better said, with the help of Sorin in Tschanad and an archivist in Germany), I was able to solve the puzzle about who stayed in Germany and went into the Banat. Always keep your eyes open! Bastian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message