Hello Kelly, After my mom and dad marriage (Evangelische and Reformierte), mom’s sisters (Evangelische) married 2 Reformierte and 1 Catholic. So, they were all in inter-denominational marriages. I converted to become a Catholic and I asked my mother if that bothered her and her reply was, “oh sweetheart, as long as you believe in God, I don’t care where you go to church.” I often believe (I think I’ve read it somewhere—I would recommend to everyone that if you read something that impresses you, record it somewhere) that there was a kind of travel agent that went from town to town to help those who wanted to immigrate. I can only speak from the small village where my parents (grandparents, etc.) lived . . . they weren’t sophisticated enough to make travel plans—go by train to Fiume, for instance, and to book passage on a ship. So, people from one village were sent to Pennsylvania, for instance, while another village’s people went to North Dakota. Most émigrés from Semlak went to Harrisburg. My grandmother ran a boarding house there and her boarders came from Semlak. I haven’t completely looked at the surnames on my DNA report. There must be Dietrich people on it because I have a small group on my tree (the descendants bring the number of pages in Johann Jacob Dietrich descendants report running to 63 pages for 6 generations—maybe the number of pages will increase as I ask for more generations). I am included in the report when includes Bartolfs (my maternal grandmother’s family). I would be glad to send the descendants’ report if you wish—we will have to do it on a private e-mail. The Dietrichs start on my tree with Johann Jacob Dietrich who was born 1699 in Reichenbach, Germany. He also died there in 1781. The info was garnered from ancestry.com. As for Dietrichs in the Familienbuchen that I have: 1 in Mezöberény 0 in Liebling 0 in Gyoma 1 in Semlak – Johann Jacob born about 1764, his father is Johann Wilhelm, and his wife is Maria Magdalena Who knows . . . we may be cousins. My maiden name was Keller (but in Hungary, Keller was magyarized to Pinczés). My maternal grandmother was a Bartolf and my maternal grandfather was Wagner. My paternal grandmother was Rozsa (Rossinger) and my paternal grandfather was Pinczés (Keller). I married a wonderful man whose surname was Hughes. If you want the 63 pages beginning with Johann Jacob Dietrich born in 1699, let me know privately and I’ll use another internet server to send the large document of 63 pages to you. Best wishes, Rose Mary Keller Hughes From: Kelly Dazet [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 2:39 PM To: Rose Mary Keller Hughes <[email protected]>; [email protected] Subject: Re: [DVHH] Response to all Roll Call messages. Hi Rose, Thanks for your message. The topic of inter-denominational marriages is very interesting. I was very surprised to find Lutheran Johann Dietrich marrying Catholic Christina Querin in Kula. I had felt that at that time they may have still though of those of other faiths as "heretics". Not so uncommon now. I was baptized Catholic and my German wife, Lutheran. My mother (a Dietrich of North Dakota) was Lutheran and my father was Catholic. Same with my wife's family in Germany. Her father was Catholic and her mother was Lutheran (Evangelich). I'm surprised at the number of list members here who's family immigrated to Pennsylvania. I thought the majority of Donauschwaben in the USA went to the Cleveland Ohio region. Re: my DNA test on Ancestry.com, I am getting many DNA matches from Pennsylvania -- many from Berks County. I had thought these were people related through the Palatine Migration in the 1700s. Now I'm wondering if some of them are Donauschaben. Of course whenever my DNA matches have many family members born and raised in North and South Dakota, I know they are from my Germans from Russia ancestors. Of course I'm trying to trace them further back to the Batschka and to Germany. BTW, I am getting some matches on my German side which the surname Hughes and I assumse an ancestor married someone with the Hughes surname. Do you have a Semlak family book? Any Dietrichs there? Kind regards, Kelly _____ From: Rose Mary Keller Hughes <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 5:54 AM To: 'John Haumann'; 'Kelly Dazet' Subject: RE: [DVHH] Response to all Roll Call messages. My parents were from Semlak--she was Lutheran and he was Calvinist. They were married in the US--having come separately to PA. My uncle often said that if they had remained in Semlak they would not have been married. Eventually that feeling stopped. It was surprising but then I have heard that parents haven't been too happy here in the US when their children married outside their Protestant faith. Rose Mary Hughes -----Original Message----- From: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Haumann via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 4:37 PM To: Kelly Dazet <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Response to all Roll Call messages. Kelly, I suspect inter-religion marriages were not that uncommon. My father was originally from a Catholic village (Palanka) and my mother from a Lutheran village (Sekitsch). John Haumann ===== On Jan 15, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Kelly Dazet via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES wrote: > Hi everyone! > > > I have found all of the Roll Call messages and responses extremely interesting! There have been so many villages and names that I've not been familiar with. I have the impression that most are Catholic villages and families. Whereas our Donaushaben were Lutheran and probably came later to Hungary. I know our families must have come about 1885-1886 to the Batschka. So the villages that I'm most familiar with are Kischker, Tscherwenka, Werbass, Torshau, Jarick, and Sekitsch. > > > I do have some questions about all of this: > > > From 1786 onward, how religion segregated were our Donauschaben ancestors and how common would inter-religion marriages have been? > > > I ask this because my hypothetical ancestor Johann Burghard Dietrich * 1769, who was Lutheran living in Kischker married a Catholic Christina Querin in Kula in 1788 (according to the Kula OSB). I can't find any more information about this couple nor about their parents. Did they move to another village? I assume they lived in Kischker. > > > Does anyone have information about this couple living in any other Donauschaben village? Could be Lutheran, could be Catholic. 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In the Barcs, Somogy church records - Roman Catholic - there is a section for "Gemischt" (mixed) marriages. It shows the non-Catholic spouse converting prior to the marriage. Mixed marriages weren't always based on religion. My mother (a Donauschwaben from Slavonia) married a Romanian from the Banat. They met and married in Canada at a Pentecostal church, combining several denominations between them in their immediate family history - Evangelisch (Lutheran), a stricter home Bible study group back home in Slavonia, Pentecostal (Pfingster), Romanian Orthodox (2 different archdioceses) and Seventh Day Adventist. She was the only one of 6 siblings to marry a non-Donauschwaben. With all due respect to my grandparents on both sides, this was not looked upon with complete approval by either side of the family. This was in the 1950s and just wasn't done among immigrants from Europe. My father tended to feel left out at family get-togethers when the discussion inevitably changed to our Schwab dialect. My Romanian grandmother was cursed by a "friend" who declared that "weeds will grow on your grave before you have grandchildren". She had 3.5 grandchildren when she passed away. As a result of this "multi-culturalism", I spoke 3 languages as a small child - German (high and the dialect), Romanian and English. I wish that I had retained that linguistic ability. My mother never quite figured out where I learned high German as very few of her relatives and acquaintances used it. Perhaps German church? -- Darlene http://www.dvhh.org/membership/associates.htm#D Rose Mary Keller Hughes via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES wrote: > Hello Kelly, > > > > After my mom and dad marriage (Evangelische and Reformierte), mom’s sisters > (Evangelische) married 2 Reformierte and 1 Catholic. So, they were all in > inter-denominational marriages. I converted to become a Catholic and I > asked my mother if that bothered her and her reply was, “oh sweetheart, as > long as you believe in God, I don’t care where you go to church.” > > > > I often believe (I think I’ve read it somewhere—I would recommend to > everyone that if you read something that impresses you, record it somewhere) > that there was a kind of travel agent that went from town to town to help > those who wanted to immigrate. I can only speak from the small village > where my parents (grandparents, etc.) lived . . . they weren’t sophisticated > enough to make travel plans—go by train to Fiume, for instance, and to book > passage on a ship. So, people from one village were sent to Pennsylvania, > for instance, while another village’s people went to North Dakota. Most > émigrés from Semlak went to Harrisburg. My grandmother ran a boarding house > there and her boarders came from Semlak. > > > > I haven’t completely looked at the surnames on my DNA report. There must be > Dietrich people on it because I have a small group on my tree (the > descendants bring the number of pages in Johann Jacob Dietrich descendants > report running to 63 pages for 6 generations—maybe the number of pages will > increase as I ask for more generations). I am included in the report when > includes Bartolfs (my maternal grandmother’s family). I would be glad to > send the descendants’ report if you wish—we will have to do it on a private > e-mail. > > > > The Dietrichs start on my tree with Johann Jacob Dietrich who was born 1699 > in Reichenbach, Germany. He also died there in 1781. The info was garnered > from ancestry.com. As for Dietrichs in the Familienbuchen that I have: > > > > 1 in Mezöberény > > 0 in Liebling > > 0 in Gyoma > > 1 in Semlak – Johann Jacob born about 1764, his father is Johann Wilhelm, > and his wife is Maria Magdalena > > > > Who knows . . . we may be cousins. My maiden name was Keller (but in > Hungary, Keller was magyarized to Pinczés). My maternal grandmother was a > Bartolf and my maternal grandfather was Wagner. My paternal grandmother was > Rozsa (Rossinger) and my paternal grandfather was Pinczés (Keller). I > married a wonderful man whose surname was Hughes. > > > > If you want the 63 pages beginning with Johann Jacob Dietrich born in 1699, > let me know privately and I’ll use another internet server to send the large > document of 63 pages to you. > > > > Best wishes, > > Rose Mary Keller Hughes > > > > > > > > From: Kelly Dazet [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 2:39 PM > To: Rose Mary Keller Hughes <[email protected]>; > [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Response to all Roll Call messages. > > > > Hi Rose, > > > > Thanks for your message. The topic of inter-denominational marriages is > very interesting. I was very surprised to find Lutheran Johann Dietrich > marrying Catholic Christina Querin in Kula. I had felt that at that time > they may have still though of those of other faiths as "heretics". Not so > uncommon now. I was baptized Catholic and my German wife, Lutheran. My > mother (a Dietrich of North Dakota) was Lutheran and my father was Catholic. > Same with my wife's family in Germany. Her father was Catholic and her > mother was Lutheran (Evangelich). > > > > I'm surprised at the number of list members here who's family immigrated to > Pennsylvania. I thought the majority of Donauschwaben in the USA went to > the Cleveland Ohio region. Re: my DNA test on Ancestry.com, I am getting > many DNA matches from Pennsylvania -- many from Berks County. I had thought > these were people related through the Palatine Migration in the 1700s. Now > I'm wondering if some of them are Donauschaben. Of course whenever my DNA > matches have many family members born and raised in North and South Dakota, > I know they are from my Germans from Russia ancestors. Of course I'm trying > to trace them further back to the Batschka and to Germany. BTW, I am > getting some matches on my German side which the surname Hughes and I > assumse an ancestor married someone with the Hughes surname. > > > > Do you have a Semlak family book? Any Dietrichs there? > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Kelly > > > > > > > > _____ > > From: Rose Mary Keller Hughes <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 5:54 AM > To: 'John Haumann'; 'Kelly Dazet' > Subject: RE: [DVHH] Response to all Roll Call messages. > > > > My parents were from Semlak--she was Lutheran and he was Calvinist. They > were married in the US--having come separately to PA. My uncle often said > that if they had remained in Semlak they would not have been married. > Eventually that feeling stopped. It was surprising but then I have heard > that parents haven't been too happy here in the US when their children > married outside their Protestant faith. > > Rose Mary Hughes > > -----Original Message----- > From: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John > Haumann via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 4:37 PM > To: Kelly Dazet <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > Cc: [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Response to all Roll Call messages. > > Kelly, > > I suspect inter-religion marriages were not that uncommon. My father was > originally from a Catholic village (Palanka) and my mother from a Lutheran > village (Sekitsch). > > > John Haumann > > > ===== > > On Jan 15, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Kelly Dazet via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES wrote: > >> Hi everyone! >> >> >> I have found all of the Roll Call messages and responses extremely > interesting! There have been so many villages and names that I've not been > familiar with. I have the impression that most are Catholic villages and > families. Whereas our Donaushaben were Lutheran and probably came later to > Hungary. I know our families must have come about 1885-1886 to the > Batschka. So the villages that I'm most familiar with are Kischker, > Tscherwenka, Werbass, Torshau, Jarick, and Sekitsch. >> >> >> I do have some questions about all of this: >> >> >> From 1786 onward, how religion segregated were our Donauschaben ancestors > and how common would inter-religion marriages have been? >> >> >> I ask this because my hypothetical ancestor Johann Burghard Dietrich * > 1769, who was Lutheran living in Kischker married a Catholic Christina > Querin in Kula in 1788 (according to the Kula OSB). I can't find any more > information about this couple nor about their parents. Did they move to > another village? I assume they lived in Kischker. >> >> >> Does anyone have information about this couple living in any other > Donauschaben village? Could be Lutheran, could be Catholic. Or information > about Johann Burghard's parents Michael Dietrich, his wife Maria Gertraud > Hoffmann or their other son Johann Matthais Dietrich? >> >> >> Thank you! >> >> >> Kind regards, >> >> >> Kelly > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> with the word > 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.avast. > com%2Fantivirus > <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.avast > .com%2Fantivirus&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb1d95f5ec7da4dd59e2d08d55ca59fc8%7C84df9e > 7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636516788770717865&sdata=DD1EuUvM9qRlzs > lOsZ8vdTR2PVUJsO70Hev%2FShzEm3A%3D&reserved=0> > &data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb1d95f5ec7da4dd59e2d08d55ca59fc8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aa > aaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636516788770717865&sdata=DD1EuUvM9qRlzslOsZ8vdTR2PVUJsO > 70Hev%2FShzEm3A%3D&reserved=0 > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >