I highly recommend Stasa Cvetkovic - I believe out of Novi Sad, he has helped me quite a bit and many others here on the list. I can't think of his website address off hand, but I'm sure someone else will have it - I thought that I just saw a recommendation for him, but perhaps on a different list. Eve On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 6:36 PM, Kelly Dazet via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < [email protected]> wrote: > Hello Eve and Larry, > > > Thank you very much for this information! Larry, I see that an Adam > Dietrich listed in Tscherwenka that moved to Katsch. Did the records on > file tell you they were from the Heidelberg area? Or did you find that > somewhere else? I actually grew up in the Heidelberg area and my wife was > born and raised there. Have you taken a DNA test? I'm hoping DNA can > give me clues as to where my ancestors lived. > > > Maybe I really need to consider hiring a professional from Novi Sad. I > could travel there myself, but though I'm somewhat fluent in German, I > don't speak a work of Serbian. I feel like I'm just banging my head on > this "brick wall"! If the Neuburg chrurch record was in error, maybe my 2 > x great grandfather was not even born in Kischker and my Dietrichs were > never even there. ???? > > > Thanks again! > > > Kind regards, > > > Kelly > > > ________________________________ > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:19 PM > To: 'Kelly Dazet' > Subject: Re: [DVHH] About lookups and roll calls > > Hello Kelly > > Looking at all the roll call posts and the concern if the information from > various sources is correct I can offer the following: My grandmother was a > Dietrich and she was born in Katsch. I visited Katsch in 2004 and was > fortunate to be allowed to view the hand written ledgers that were housed > in the "city hall". They contained all the births, deaths and marriages > that occurred in the village. I found numerous entries related to my > Dietrich's. > > Also one of my distant cousins here in my Missouri (family was from > Katsch/Crvenka but not Dietrich's) hired a researcher from Novi Sad who > went to the archive center there and found 10 pages of records associated > with his family. > > I realize that both of these options cost money but the information in > many cases is available but probably not an option for most. > > My Dietrich's originally were from the Heidelberg area. When they left > they originally settled in Crvenka before moving to Katsch in the middle > 1800's. > > Larry > > > ----------------------------------------- > > From: "Kelly Dazet via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES" > To: "Bastian Dornbach", "[email protected]" > Cc: > Sent: 18-Jan-2018 17:46:46 +0000 > Subject: Re: [DVHH] About lookups and roll calls > > Thank you Bastian! > > > That is, of course very good advice. I personally have been able to verify > many mistakes in various books and other documents that I've read. Stader's > Sammelwerk is just a compilation of information from many sources, that > may, or may not be accurate. For example for the Dietrichs that I am > researching in Kischker, he uses Lorenz's Unforgettable Kischker as his > source and Lornez say Michael Dietrich was the borther of Nikolaus, when in > fact he was a cousin. > > > Also Dr. Karl Stumpp's huge volume of work, "The Emmigration from Germany > to Russia", which is widely used as a sort of "Bible" by Germans from > Russia, if filled with errors. That emigration, BTW included many > Donauschaben from the Batscka and Bannat. Good that keep in mind while > doing your research. > > > I'm getting to the point where I am sometime's skeptical of KB entries as > well. Who's to say that they are all 100% accurate. Of course there are no > known Lutheran church records for where my Donauschaben ancestors lived in > Kischker, Tscherwenka and Werbass/Neuwerbass. Only the available OSB/OFBs. > Unless they are hidden is some archives in Serbia. > > > Kind regards, > > > Kelly > > > ________________________________ > From: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> > on behalf of Bastian Dornbach via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < > [email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 2:17 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [DVHH] About lookups and roll calls > > I would like to share some thoughts about all the lookups and roll calls: > As convenient as it might look to just receive all information from books, > please always be aware that information might not be correct. > > > > From my own experience I know that e.g. the Tschanad Family book has a lot > of flaws (wrong date of death, wrong conclusions about parents,…). > Furthermore regarding my early ancestors who came from the Holy Roman > Empire of German Nations (Germany) into the Banat, the author from the > Tschanad Family book just copied the information from Stader, Treude etc. – > which was also wrong. > > > > That led to me making wrong assumptions and finally standing there without > ancestors, because the people who were supposed to have left Germany to the > Banat in 1765 DID NOT leave their home town – and also died there. > > > > There were two people with the same name in the village, who both had a > son that also had the same name, both born only four months apart in 1764 > (I know! What a coincidence!). > > > > Treude just picked the wrong one, even though the data given in the church > books in Tschanad then didn’t match with the data from the German church > books (e.g. wrong name of my ancestor’s wife that also died already in > Germany right after giving birth to the son – so there was no way she lived > and died in Tschanad then. Furthermore, the name of the wife that died in > Tschanad didn’t match with the name of the wife in Germany). > > > > Only by going into the church record by myself (better said, with the help > of Sorin in Tschanad and an archivist in Germany), I was able to solve the > puzzle about who stayed in Germany and went into the Banat. > > > Always keep your eyes open! > > > Bastian > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia

I highly recommend Stasa too! His website is http://www.synergia.rs/ Noelle Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 18, 2018, at 9:13 PM, Eve via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: > > I highly recommend Stasa Cvetkovic - I believe out of Novi Sad, he has > helped me quite a bit and many others here on the list. I can't think of > his website address off hand, but I'm sure someone else will have it - I > thought that I just saw a recommendation for him, but perhaps on a > different list. > > Eve > > On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 6:36 PM, Kelly Dazet via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Hello Eve and Larry, >> >> >> Thank you very much for this information! Larry, I see that an Adam >> Dietrich listed in Tscherwenka that moved to Katsch. Did the records on >> file tell you they were from the Heidelberg area? Or did you find that >> somewhere else? I actually grew up in the Heidelberg area and my wife was >> born and raised there. Have you taken a DNA test? I'm hoping DNA can >> give me clues as to where my ancestors lived. >> >> >> Maybe I really need to consider hiring a professional from Novi Sad. I >> could travel there myself, but though I'm somewhat fluent in German, I >> don't speak a work of Serbian. I feel like I'm just banging my head on >> this "brick wall"! If the Neuburg chrurch record was in error, maybe my 2 >> x great grandfather was not even born in Kischker and my Dietrichs were >> never even there. ???? >> >> >> Thanks again! >> >> >> Kind regards, >> >> >> Kelly >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:19 PM >> To: 'Kelly Dazet' >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] About lookups and roll calls >> >> Hello Kelly >> >> Looking at all the roll call posts and the concern if the information from >> various sources is correct I can offer the following: My grandmother was a >> Dietrich and she was born in Katsch. I visited Katsch in 2004 and was >> fortunate to be allowed to view the hand written ledgers that were housed >> in the "city hall". They contained all the births, deaths and marriages >> that occurred in the village. I found numerous entries related to my >> Dietrich's. >> >> Also one of my distant cousins here in my Missouri (family was from >> Katsch/Crvenka but not Dietrich's) hired a researcher from Novi Sad who >> went to the archive center there and found 10 pages of records associated >> with his family. >> >> I realize that both of these options cost money but the information in >> many cases is available but probably not an option for most. >> >> My Dietrich's originally were from the Heidelberg area. When they left >> they originally settled in Crvenka before moving to Katsch in the middle >> 1800's. >> >> Larry >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> >> From: "Kelly Dazet via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES" >> To: "Bastian Dornbach", "[email protected]" >> Cc: >> Sent: 18-Jan-2018 17:46:46 +0000 >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] About lookups and roll calls >> >> Thank you Bastian! >> >> >> That is, of course very good advice. I personally have been able to verify >> many mistakes in various books and other documents that I've read. Stader's >> Sammelwerk is just a compilation of information from many sources, that >> may, or may not be accurate. For example for the Dietrichs that I am >> researching in Kischker, he uses Lorenz's Unforgettable Kischker as his >> source and Lornez say Michael Dietrich was the borther of Nikolaus, when in >> fact he was a cousin. >> >> >> Also Dr. Karl Stumpp's huge volume of work, "The Emmigration from Germany >> to Russia", which is widely used as a sort of "Bible" by Germans from >> Russia, if filled with errors. That emigration, BTW included many >> Donauschaben from the Batscka and Bannat. Good that keep in mind while >> doing your research. >> >> >> I'm getting to the point where I am sometime's skeptical of KB entries as >> well. Who's to say that they are all 100% accurate. Of course there are no >> known Lutheran church records for where my Donauschaben ancestors lived in >> Kischker, Tscherwenka and Werbass/Neuwerbass. Only the available OSB/OFBs. >> Unless they are hidden is some archives in Serbia. >> >> >> Kind regards, >> >> >> Kelly >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> >> on behalf of Bastian Dornbach via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < >> [email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 2:17 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [DVHH] About lookups and roll calls >> >> I would like to share some thoughts about all the lookups and roll calls: >> As convenient as it might look to just receive all information from books, >> please always be aware that information might not be correct. >> >> >> >> From my own experience I know that e.g. the Tschanad Family book has a lot >> of flaws (wrong date of death, wrong conclusions about parents,…). >> Furthermore regarding my early ancestors who came from the Holy Roman >> Empire of German Nations (Germany) into the Banat, the author from the >> Tschanad Family book just copied the information from Stader, Treude etc. – >> which was also wrong. >> >> >> >> That led to me making wrong assumptions and finally standing there without >> ancestors, because the people who were supposed to have left Germany to the >> Banat in 1765 DID NOT leave their home town – and also died there. >> >> >> >> There were two people with the same name in the village, who both had a >> son that also had the same name, both born only four months apart in 1764 >> (I know! What a coincidence!). >> >> >> >> Treude just picked the wrong one, even though the data given in the church >> books in Tschanad then didn’t match with the data from the German church >> books (e.g. wrong name of my ancestor’s wife that also died already in >> Germany right after giving birth to the son – so there was no way she lived >> and died in Tschanad then. Furthermore, the name of the wife that died in >> Tschanad didn’t match with the name of the wife in Germany). >> >> >> >> Only by going into the church record by myself (better said, with the help >> of Sorin in Tschanad and an archivist in Germany), I was able to solve the >> puzzle about who stayed in Germany and went into the Banat. >> >> >> Always keep your eyes open! >> >> >> Bastian >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message