I would like to share some thoughts about all the lookups and roll calls: As convenient as it might look to just receive all information from books, please always be aware that information might not be correct. >From my own experience I know that e.g. the Tschanad Family book has a lot of flaws (wrong date of death, wrong conclusions about parents,…). Furthermore regarding my early ancestors who came from the Holy Roman Empire of German Nations (Germany) into the Banat, the author from the Tschanad Family book just copied the information from Stader, Treude etc. – which was also wrong. That led to me making wrong assumptions and finally standing there without ancestors, because the people who were supposed to have left Germany to the Banat in 1765 DID NOT leave their home town – and also died there. There were two people with the same name in the village, who both had a son that also had the same name, both born only four months apart in 1764 (I know! What a coincidence!). Treude just picked the wrong one, even though the data given in the church books in Tschanad then didn’t match with the data from the German church books (e.g. wrong name of my ancestor’s wife that also died already in Germany right after giving birth to the son – so there was no way she lived and died in Tschanad then. Furthermore, the name of the wife that died in Tschanad didn’t match with the name of the wife in Germany). Only by going into the church record by myself (better said, with the help of Sorin in Tschanad and an archivist in Germany), I was able to solve the puzzle about who stayed in Germany and went into the Banat. Always keep your eyes open! Bastian

This is very good advice for researchers. I, too, have found errors or conflicting information in the village books I use. I try always to remind people that these books are secondary sources composed by an individual or group of individuals reading the original sources - - the actual church registers. There is always room for human error in this process. Beth Tolfree Apatin Village Coordinator -----Original Message----- From: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bastian Dornbach via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 6:17 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [DVHH] About lookups and roll calls I would like to share some thoughts about all the lookups and roll calls: As convenient as it might look to just receive all information from books, please always be aware that information might not be correct. >From my own experience I know that e.g. the Tschanad Family book has a lot of flaws (wrong date of death, wrong conclusions about parents,.). Furthermore regarding my early ancestors who came from the Holy Roman Empire of German Nations (Germany) into the Banat, the author from the Tschanad Family book just copied the information from Stader, Treude etc. - which was also wrong. That led to me making wrong assumptions and finally standing there without ancestors, because the people who were supposed to have left Germany to the Banat in 1765 DID NOT leave their home town - and also died there. There were two people with the same name in the village, who both had a son that also had the same name, both born only four months apart in 1764 (I know! What a coincidence!). Treude just picked the wrong one, even though the data given in the church books in Tschanad then didn't match with the data from the German church books (e.g. wrong name of my ancestor's wife that also died already in Germany right after giving birth to the son - so there was no way she lived and died in Tschanad then. Furthermore, the name of the wife that died in Tschanad didn't match with the name of the wife in Germany). Only by going into the church record by myself (better said, with the help of Sorin in Tschanad and an archivist in Germany), I was able to solve the puzzle about who stayed in Germany and went into the Banat. Always keep your eyes open! Bastian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You make a good point about double-checking things, Bastian. I’ve had similar experiences with a couple of the family books, where I found questionable information that I was able to correct with help from looking up the KBs. To be fair to the family book authors, the state of the original records isn’t always so great - the record keeper’s handwriting can be terrible, or the pages are damaged and the record is hard to read at all. Other times, family connections might be missed because a name changed spelling, or the KB itself is inconsistent (especially with changing first names of mothers across the birth records of their children). In those cases, the family book authors are doing the best they can, but it’s inevitable some mistakes will creep into the work. Since we have the time and particular focus to explore our own families, we’re in the best position to figure out those issues. I like to use the family books as the starting point, and then confirming against the KBs as much as possible. That may be about all we can do until someone invents a time machine, so that we could go back and get the information first hand. ;-) Cheers, Linda On Jan 18, 2018, at 9:17 AM, Bastian Dornbach via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: > I would like to share some thoughts about all the lookups and roll calls: As convenient as it might look to just receive all information from books, please always be aware that information might not be correct. > > > > From my own experience I know that e.g. the Tschanad Family book has a lot of flaws (wrong date of death, wrong conclusions about parents,…). Furthermore regarding my early ancestors who came from the Holy Roman Empire of German Nations (Germany) into the Banat, the author from the Tschanad Family book just copied the information from Stader, Treude etc. – which was also wrong. > > > > That led to me making wrong assumptions and finally standing there without ancestors, because the people who were supposed to have left Germany to the Banat in 1765 DID NOT leave their home town – and also died there. > > > > There were two people with the same name in the village, who both had a son that also had the same name, both born only four months apart in 1764 (I know! What a coincidence!). > > > > Treude just picked the wrong one, even though the data given in the church books in Tschanad then didn’t match with the data from the German church books (e.g. wrong name of my ancestor’s wife that also died already in Germany right after giving birth to the son – so there was no way she lived and died in Tschanad then. Furthermore, the name of the wife that died in Tschanad didn’t match with the name of the wife in Germany). > > > > Only by going into the church record by myself (better said, with the help of Sorin in Tschanad and an archivist in Germany), I was able to solve the puzzle about who stayed in Germany and went into the Banat. > > > Always keep your eyes open! > > > Bastian > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is way too much bad information out there, in Familienbuchs and online. Too many people put too much trust in these sources and repeat the same bad information over and over without verification. You must verify your sources or run the risk of telling lies to everyone who relies on your genealogy. Glenn Schwartz President, Zichydorf Village Association (http://zichydorfonline.org) Searching: Schwartz, Kleckner, Schönherr in Zichydorf, Banat; Schüssler, Millecker, Lenhardt in Kudritz, Banat; Schwartz, Kory, Pierson/Person in Morawitza, Banat; Kalupsky/Chalupsky in Blumenthal, Banat; Bardua, Kandel, Heuchert in Kolomea, Galicia; Kuntz, Holzer, Kraft, Wolfe, Folk (Volk) in Kutschurgan, Russia; Macht in Volga, Russia. Email: [email protected] On 1/18/2018 8:17 AM, Bastian Dornbach via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES wrote: > I would like to share some thoughts about all the lookups and roll calls: As convenient as it might look to just receive all information from books, please always be aware that information might not be correct. > > > > >From my own experience I know that e.g. the Tschanad Family book has a lot of flaws (wrong date of death, wrong conclusions about parents,…). Furthermore regarding my early ancestors who came from the Holy Roman Empire of German Nations (Germany) into the Banat, the author from the Tschanad Family book just copied the information from Stader, Treude etc. – which was also wrong. > > > > That led to me making wrong assumptions and finally standing there without ancestors, because the people who were supposed to have left Germany to the Banat in 1765 DID NOT leave their home town – and also died there. > > > > There were two people with the same name in the village, who both had a son that also had the same name, both born only four months apart in 1764 (I know! What a coincidence!). > > > > Treude just picked the wrong one, even though the data given in the church books in Tschanad then didn’t match with the data from the German church books (e.g. wrong name of my ancestor’s wife that also died already in Germany right after giving birth to the son – so there was no way she lived and died in Tschanad then. Furthermore, the name of the wife that died in Tschanad didn’t match with the name of the wife in Germany). > > > > Only by going into the church record by myself (better said, with the help of Sorin in Tschanad and an archivist in Germany), I was able to solve the puzzle about who stayed in Germany and went into the Banat. > > > Always keep your eyes open! > > > Bastian > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you Bastian! That is, of course very good advice. I personally have been able to verify many mistakes in various books and other documents that I've read. Stader's Sammelwerk is just a compilation of information from many sources, that may, or may not be accurate. For example for the Dietrichs that I am researching in Kischker, he uses Lorenz's Unforgettable Kischker as his source and Lornez say Michael Dietrich was the borther of Nikolaus, when in fact he was a cousin. Also Dr. Karl Stumpp's huge volume of work, "The Emmigration from Germany to Russia", which is widely used as a sort of "Bible" by Germans from Russia, if filled with errors. That emigration, BTW included many Donauschaben from the Batscka and Bannat. Good that keep in mind while doing your research. I'm getting to the point where I am sometime's skeptical of KB entries as well. Who's to say that they are all 100% accurate. Of course there are no known Lutheran church records for where my Donauschaben ancestors lived in Kischker, Tscherwenka and Werbass/Neuwerbass. Only the available OSB/OFBs. Unless they are hidden is some archives in Serbia. Kind regards, Kelly ________________________________ From: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> on behalf of Bastian Dornbach via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 2:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [DVHH] About lookups and roll calls I would like to share some thoughts about all the lookups and roll calls: As convenient as it might look to just receive all information from books, please always be aware that information might not be correct. >From my own experience I know that e.g. the Tschanad Family book has a lot of flaws (wrong date of death, wrong conclusions about parents,…). Furthermore regarding my early ancestors who came from the Holy Roman Empire of German Nations (Germany) into the Banat, the author from the Tschanad Family book just copied the information from Stader, Treude etc. – which was also wrong. That led to me making wrong assumptions and finally standing there without ancestors, because the people who were supposed to have left Germany to the Banat in 1765 DID NOT leave their home town – and also died there. There were two people with the same name in the village, who both had a son that also had the same name, both born only four months apart in 1764 (I know! What a coincidence!). Treude just picked the wrong one, even though the data given in the church books in Tschanad then didn’t match with the data from the German church books (e.g. wrong name of my ancestor’s wife that also died already in Germany right after giving birth to the son – so there was no way she lived and died in Tschanad then. Furthermore, the name of the wife that died in Tschanad didn’t match with the name of the wife in Germany). Only by going into the church record by myself (better said, with the help of Sorin in Tschanad and an archivist in Germany), I was able to solve the puzzle about who stayed in Germany and went into the Banat. Always keep your eyes open! Bastian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message