thank you June. your recipes are so good! Justine On 9/11/2017 12:20 PM, June Meyer via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES wrote: > Now is the time in the midwest, to buy the Italian Freestone plums for Zwetschgenknoedel and Zwetschgenkuchen. Yesterday I wanted to buy some and found the price to be $ 2.49 per pound. Unheard of price. Usually they are .49 cents to .79 cents a pound. I must shop around. > > The recipes for both Zwetschgenknoedel and Zwetschgenkuchen, Batschka version, are in my cookbook of pre World War One family recipes. The book contains Banat and Batschka family recipes. I know many members may already have my book, but if not, you can access the recipes or order the book at, www.junemeyer.com > > Regards, June Meyer > [email protected] > > www.junemeyer.com > See my homepage and Hungarian heirloom recipes! > > " ALWAYS REMEMBER: > If we don't ask, we'll never know. . . > and if we don't record what we do know, > our descendants will wish we had!!" > > > > > > On Sep 7, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Eve via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: > >> This is a response from Justine, but sent only to me but I'm sure intended >> for the whole list. >> >> Hi all, >> I just made our zwetschgen kuchen yesterday and its been a very long time >> since I had a terrible time finding prune-plums here in PA. My dough is >> made with egg yolks, scalded milk, yeast, butter and a little sugar. >> after it rises, I put it in the pans and dip the washed pitted and halved >> plums skin side down after coating them with sugar, cinnamon and a little >> flour. dot with a little more butter, let rise again about 30-45 min >> depending how warm the kitchen is and bake at 350 for 30-45 minutes >> depending how thick the dough is and your oven peculiarities are. >> >> It was so good, I had to munch on it all night. There goes my diet!my dough >> is similar to the Hungarians but after all, the folk Deutsch often stopped >> in Hungary before moving on to Croatia in a generation or 2 so there was >> much mixing of recipes or all sorts of nuances depending on where our >> people came from and settled. In my family, we were more into German >> cooking but my cousin's family made Sarma for instance, with tomato juice ( >> the Hungarian way, while we made our with plain sauerkraut. >> >> I was able to find a wonderful cook book called June Meyers Authentic >> Hungarian Heirloom Recipes, 3rd edition, 2012. She translated many recipes >> similar to ours into english, using american weights and measure for those >> of us who are unfamiliar with German or Hungarian. Many of the recipes are >> very similar to our cuisine but may be called differently. I think I got it >> on Amazon but cant exactly remember. It also gives a little history of the >> Donnauschwaben if you are interested.Also the ladies of the Trenton >> Donnauschwben Verien club put together a very nice recipe book of the old >> time favorites and if you email then they would be tickled to send you a >> copy for $12, I think. >> >> Since I am the oldest girl and was still born in Austria while we were in a >> DP camp....I want to keep the old customs and cooking going. My American >> family sometimes love it and sometimes just humor me. I hope that my only >> grandaughter will make these dishes someday too and tell the stories of our >> ancestors through food. >> >> Best wishes to our cooks >> Justine Zentner >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 9/5/2017 3:25 PM, Eve via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES wrote: >> >>> Hi Christine (cousin), >>> >>> The plum kuchen I'm pretty sure it's pit side up (without the pit of >>> course). Mama made this often too and again for me it wasn't a favorite >>> because I didn't like the cooked plums. I recently found a recipe on >>> pinterest that uses a cake mix for the crust and used berries for the fruit >>> part - love it.....but I'm now hankering for the the prune plums and have >>> some at home so I just may have to try it with this recipe too. >>> >>> Eve >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Christine Spooner via >>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> This recent e-mail traffic brings back so many memories. I was born in a >>>> refugee camp in the Hotel Europa at the train station in Salzburg and then >>>> spent the next nine years of my life in the Sitzenheim Lager in Maxglan in >>>> Salzburg. School in Austria was no fun, but I didn't know anything else. >>>> When I arrived in school at age six, life in Austria had settled down a >>>> little after the war, but Austria was still very poor and full of >>>> refugees. The teachers did not like us refugees and made it pretty >>>> obvious. >>>> >>>> My school was an all-girls' elementary school from grades 1 to 4. I had >>>> the same teacher all four years. The ruler in the teacher's hand was >>>> always ready to strike my hand if the teacher thought I misbehaved, which >>>> was pretty often. (I never thought I misbehaved!) Often there were >>>> comments to me and some of the other refugee girls about "don't you wash >>>> your hands?" What the teachers didn't think about was that there was no >>>> running water in the barracks where we lived; my mother had to take pails >>>> over to the next barrack where there was one spigot with cold water for >>>> about three other barracks. The toilets were a large six-hole outhouse >>>> across the road that separated the rows of barracks. The school did have >>>> one regular flush toilet--the only one I had seen at that point. We had >>>> to >>>> ask permission to use the toilet and the teachers rationed out the toilet >>>> paper. >>>> >>>> In addition to the three RRR's, handcrafts were also taught. We made an >>>> embroidery stitch sampler in the first grade and later made a crocheted >>>> doily. Because of my "unwashed hands", my doily was made with brown yarn >>>> instead of the pretty white yarn some other students received. (The >>>> materials were provided by the school.) >>>> >>>> Salzburg is/was a very Catholic city and all the refugees from my mother's >>>> village, Kisker, were Lutheran. Religious education was included in the >>>> curriculum. The priest came six days a week for Catholic instruction, and >>>> Lutheran students were excused. I don't remember what we did with that >>>> time, but I think we had fun. The Lutheran teacher came twice a week. >>>> The >>>> Catholic students had no doubt that we Lutherans would never share heaven >>>> with them. On the other hand, on Fridays, if any meat was available, we >>>> could happily eat it while they could not. >>>> >>>> I did get an excellent education, especially in reading, and when I >>>> arrived in the US, learning English and reading were really easy. I was >>>> also ahead in handwriting and arithmetic. The treatment by American >>>> teachers was so different from my Austrian teacher--what a contrast--no >>>> more rulers hitting my hands. I started liking school in the US! >>>> >>>> On food--my mother made Zwetschgenknoedel just as Eve's mom did--dough >>>> wrapped around pitted prune plums, dropped in boiling water, and then >>>> browned with sweetened bread crumbs. She didn't make it very often >>>> because >>>> it was something of a bother to make and she was always working and tired >>>> after a full day at work. Her favorite thing to make with prune plums was >>>> Zwetschgenkuchen, a sweet yeast dough topped with sliced prune plums, >>>> dollops of sour cream and sprinkled with sugar. She made that pretty >>>> often, whenever prune plums were available, and we all enjoyed it. >>>> >>>> I would like to make this Zwetschgenkuchen sometime, and know how to >>>> prepare the yeast dough; however, I'm not too sure about the topping. Are >>>> the prune plums put on the dough skin side up or skin side down? How much >>>> sugar gets sprinkled over the top, and about how much sour cream is used? >>>> >>>> Chris Spooner >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Saturday, September 2, 2017, 4:23:40 PM EDT, Franz via >>>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> After the war, I went to school in the DP Camp in Groedig, Austria, >>>> about 12 Km from Salzburg. We had all ages in a one room classroom, and >>>> we started out using small chalkboards. Paper and pencils were not >>>> available until 1947, and by then, classes were divided into grades one >>>> through three in one group and four through five in the other. Boys and >>>> girls....all together. Our teacher was also a refugee, but lived in a >>>> local farmer's house (also did some farmwork to earn his food and >>>> lodging). In my second and third grade years, our teacher was strict, >>>> and used the 'paddle' when he deemed it necessary to maintain control. I >>>> was never paddled because the thought of a getting a paddling , and then >>>> my mother hearing about it, apart from the shame, it would only lead to >>>> another paddling from mom, kind of a two-for-one-deal. That did not >>>> appeal to me, so I behaved. :-) >>>> On the brighter side, we took many walking class trips into the >>>> surrounding areas, and that was a treat...just to get out of the room, >>>> out of that camp. Once we even visited the nearby German border where we >>>> learned about the 'roten Streich auf der Landkarte'. In class, our >>>> teacher often smoked Pall Mall cigarettes while teaching, and as a >>>> treat, he oftentimes read a Chapter of a Karl Mai American Western >>>> fiction book. Those readings were real treats....it brough dreams of >>>> foreign sights I never knew I'd see....little did I know that I'd wind >>>> up in America one day and see those badlands with my own eyes. When I >>>> was able to attend sixth grade (1951), I had to travel from Groedig to >>>> Salzburg on the train. The last traincar was reserved only for students >>>> because of the noise they made. The conductors never were friendly to us >>>> Lager-students, and it was my first introduction to being considered >>>> 'different'. Once, I forgot my student pass, so the conductor kicked me >>>> off the train and I had to walk 10 KM home...in a snowstorm. (He never >>>> checked for the pass on the trip to school) I never forgot that >>>> trainpass again..never! I saw similar discrimination in the Hauptschule >>>> in Austria, though a few of the teachers were empathetic. However, I was >>>> one of the few Auslaender (foreigners) in that school, and my heart >>>> always felt the pain of being considered 'second class'....not knowing >>>> why, other than I was not Austrian. It was somewhat subtle, a sideways >>>> look, a whispered comment, a mocking laugh at the meager lunch I >>>> brought, always being chosen last for recess play teams, my clothes >>>> were laughed at......quite a hurtful education that has stayed with >>>> me...till today, at age 77! >>>> On 9/2/2017 8:09 AM, Dennis Bauer via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES wrote: >>>> >>>>> Cuz...ok to use this in our new club newsletter? Den >>>>> >>>>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>>>> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 Rose Vetter via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < >>>>> >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I was born in Neusatz (Novi Sad) in the Batschka. I started school in >>>>> >>>> 1942, I think it was in the fall, a time of war and political upheaval. In >>>> 1941 Hungary, as a member of the Axis powers, had reclaimed the larger >>>> part >>>> of the Batschka which they had lost to Yugoslavia after World War I. We >>>> were once again in Hungary without having moved! The official language and >>>> the bureaucracy became Hungarian, the street signs were changed to >>>> Hungarian, etc. I never forget my first days at school. Outfitted with a >>>> new schoolbag, a wood-framed slate, slate pencils and an abacus, I was >>>> quite excited about my new adventure. My mother walked me to school, and >>>> again on the second day. When the third day came around, I was expected to >>>> go alone, but I refused; I cried and insisted that Mom to come with me. >>>> When I couldn't be persuaded, my father gave me a spanking. That worked. >>>> From that day on, I promised myself I would behave, rather than risk >>>> getting a spanking again--and I didn't. As for corporal punishment by the >>>> teachers, that was accepted in those times. I remember that boys in >>>> particular bore the brunt of the teachers' anger by getting the end of the >>>> rod. Minor infractions were usually dealt with by a slap on the cheek. I >>>> remember getting slapped once and being so humiliated that I tried to hide >>>> the red streaks on my cheek from my parents. Those certainly were >>>> different >>>> times and we've come a long way. I grew up speaking three languages: >>>> German >>>> at home, and Serbian and Hungarian outside the home and at school. At that >>>> time the German Sütterlin or Fraktur script was still taught, but I had to >>>> switch to the Latin script once we got to Germany. Our lessons were mainly >>>> in Hungarian. I remember being able to sing the whole Hungarian anthem off >>>> by heart. When my mother, sister and I packed our bags for our flight in >>>> October 1944, I made sure I included my Hungarian schoolbook, which I kept >>>> for a long time. Unfortunately, once we were in Germany and I was no >>>> longer >>>> exposed to the Serbian and Hungarian languages, I forgot them in a short >>>> time, which I regret to this day. Unfortunately, my schooling was >>>> disrupted >>>> by the accelerating war conditions and bombing of the city, so I was not >>>> able to attend much school during grade 2. We lived only a block away from >>>> the Danube, right across the famous Peterwardein fortress, between the two >>>> main bridges which were the constant targets of Allied bombers. I will >>>> never forget being awakened by the air raid sirens in the middle of the >>>> night and rushing to a nearby air raid shelter. Some nights we didn't >>>> bother to get up, but the night our home was turned into a pile of rubble, >>>> we had been in the shelter, otherwise I would not be alive today. About a >>>> month later we boarded one of the last refugee trains to leave Neusatz. >>>> Rose On 29 August 2017 at 22:21, DVHH-L Administrator via >>>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> Forwarding to the mailing list. > Darlene > > >>>> ----------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>>> Darlene Dimitrie > DVHH-L Email List Administrator > > On 29 August 2017 >>>>> >>>> at 15:42, Hans Kopp <[email protected]> wrote: > > > We were very >>>> unfortunately and had our schooling interrupted by three > > years in >>>> Gakowa > > A dead camp were the people were taken to die. I started >>>> Kindergarten at > > age 6 because in Yugoslavia children started the >>>> school >>>> at seven. Now we > > had two age groups in one class. The girl school was >>>> located in the nuns > > monastery wile the boys went to the boys school. >>>> We >>>> were more than 100 > boys > > in the school. The girls so what less and >>>> therefore it was necessary to > > take t he July ages of the boys to go >>>> with the girls to school. I found > > there was actually no corporal >>>> punishments by the nouns. > > When we were deported to Gakowa, several of >>>> the priest there attempted to > > hold school in the houses, but the was >>>> forbidden and stopped when several > > of the priests were taken out of >>>> the >>>> camp and some of them were killed > and > > became Mardirers > > When I >>>> came to Austria I had lost 3 years of school and had to go to > > school >>>> with children 3 years younger. Here in Austria we still had > corpora > > >>>> punishment, like putting someone over the knee or hitting on the hand > >>>> with > > the rulers or standind outside in front of the door. But we grew >>>> up to > > become successful citizen of Austria or the USA. I still visit >>>> my >>>> school > > friends in Austria. I even skied with in 2003. Since than >>>> several have > > passed away. Two years ago I did visit my friend I >>>> usually >>>> stay with to > > celebrate the 60 anniversary of the sports club there I >>>> was a founder and > > was honored with several items. I also learned the >>>> soccer team I > captioned > > is among the top team in the league and >>>> their >>>> youth teams have won > several > > championship in their respective >>>> leagues. > > > > > > Sent from my iPa > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 28, >>>> 2017, at 11:12 AM, DVHH-L Administrator via > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Hello everyone, > >>>> >>>>> Conversation on the list has been kind of slow lately. Guess >>>>>>>> everyone > is > > > busy enjoying summer! > > > > > > Was just >>>> thinking >>>> about the kids going back to school and wondering > about > > > school >>>> back >>>> in the old country. My mom went to school from the ages of > > > 7-12, for >>>> five grades. She repeated grade 3 because she was very sick > > that > > > >>>> year and missed a lot of school. It was a one-room schoolhouse. She > > > >>>> really liked watching Little House on the Prairie. The school and life > > >>>> >>>>> reminded her of home. At some point it was divided into 2 rooms, for > > >>>>> >>>> older > > > and younger kids. > > > Yes, there was someone who stuck her >>>> pigtails in the inkwell! They had > > > slates to do their work. One of >>>> her >>>> "friends" used to change her > answers > > > to incorrect ones so my mom >>>> would get in trouble. > > > My uncle has an incredible knowledge of >>>> European history. He told me > > that > > > because there was not a lot of >>>> books available they had to really learn > > and > > > remember what they >>>> had been told, which is why he still remembers all > > this. > > > > > > >>>> She learned Serbian, both in Latin and Cyrillic letters and German in > > >>>> both > > > Latin and Gothic. She also spoke a smattering of other >>>> languages >>>> >>>>> because > > > of going to two different markets each week to sell farm >>>>> >>>> produce. She > > > really loved working at the markets. > > > She lived in >>>> Hrastovac in western Slavonia, a town of about 700-800 > > > residents. >>>> She >>>> always felt under-educated here in Canada because she > > only > > > went >>>> to 5 grades, but I think she was quite intelligent and knew as > much > > >>>> as > > > people who went through the whole elementary and secondary school >>>> >>>>> systems. > > > Maybe not the calculus and trigonometry, but the >>>>> languages, everyday > > > mathematics, history and geography and she >>>> certainly knew a lot of > > growing > > > crops and raising farm animals >>>> and how to fix just about anything. > Very > > > practical life skills! > >>>>> Would anyone like to share stories about school life, especially >>>>>>> those > of > > > you who went to school there? When did school start? >>>> What >>>> months did > it > > > run? Did you get let out at certain times to help in >>>> the fields? What > > were > > > your teachers like? Where did they come >>>> from? 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