Hi Susan, I have had some DNA ancestry testing done as well and I have a bit of a biology background. Without actually seeing the report of your results, I'm not sure whether your interpretations of these percentages reflect what these percentages actually mean. When these labs test your DNA, they are looking at specific markers on the mitochondrial DNA for both men and women (these are used to establish the maternal ancestry) and specific markers on the Y-chromosome for men (these establish the paternal ancestry). These markers, and there are two types, do not code for any physical or physiological traits. They are mutations that have occurred throughout the history of the human species. One type, and I will not go into the details here, mutates very rarely (over thousands of years) and is used to establish an individuals deep ancestral roots. The other type mutates more frequently (every several generations) and can be used to established how distantly two individuals are related. An enormous database of the distribution of these markers for people around the world has been compiled and it has been used, in combination with historical and archaeological records, to hypothesize how humans have migrated from the Rift Valley in Africa to all parts of the world. Perhaps you have seen such migration maps on the DNA testing websites. Since these labs cannot test every known marker for each individual, because the cost would be prohibitive, they test 10 to 25 representative markers and calculate the probability of the individual belonging to a particular group. The major groups have been designated by an alphabetic letter. For the Y-chromosome (paternal lines), there are 18 main groups: A to R. Within each group there are subgroups, which define the ancestry more precisely. I have personally had 25 markers tested and I have been identified, with a probability of about 90%, that I lie within sub-group R1b. This is no surprise, since this is a dominant group in western Europe. The more markers that you have tested, the higher the degree of certainty as to your ancestral roots. The subgroups also become more and more refined (more numbers and letters get added). The problem with this science is that throughout history, not all populations that were close relatives always migrated together. Therefore, there will always be some individuals that have ended up in a part of the world that is far from the region where most of there ancestors ended up. The end result is that there is quite a bit of "mixing" of these markers within a regional population. Hence, there will always be a degree of uncertainty. This is where the percentages that you have posted come from. So when you look at a map that shows the distribution of groups with a specific location, it often has a pie chart that shows the percentage of people in that area with each of the main groups present there. For mitochondrial DNA (maternal line), the same thing has been done. There are 20 main groups ( A to Z , for some reason O,P,Q,S and Y have been skipped) for the mDNA markers. Since the people of the world have been much more mobile for the last several decades and offspring from people of different ancestral genetic backgrounds more common, the distribution of these genetic markers are becoming much more homogenized throughout the world. Nevertheless, the geographical distributions have been firmly established and correspond well with the accepted anthropological theories of early human migrations. I wish to make it clear that I am not an expert in anthropology. Also, this is a fairly simple explanation of DNA ancestry testing. If someone wishes to know more about these markers, I can post that, but there is so much good information on the internet, it would be redundant for me to post it here. I also hope that I have not offended anyone's religious beliefs with this. If so, I apologize in advance and want to make it clear that I respect everyone's belief system and would never attempt to change them. Roy On Sunday, September 7, 2014 8:34 PM, Susan Sander via <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: I recently took or had administered the DNA testing from Ancestry.com My father's family came from Glogowatz, Hungary and can be traced through Neupanat; Sankta Anna and Sanktmarton. I have traced one line back to Au am Rhein. And my Reichert ancestors from Glogowatz -- family I have contacted recently said the Reichert's came from Alsace. My mother's family came from Bohemia or the Czech Republic. I have traced both paternal and maternal lines back to the early 1700's. This is the result of my tests: 37% Eastern Europe which would include Czech Republic, Slovakia; Hungary, Romania 23% Western Europe which includes Germany, France and Austria 23% Scandinavian My paternal aunt tested differently reflecting the paternal side of my family. 32% Western Europe 16% Italy; Greece 15% Great Britain 15% Eastern Europes 8% Scandinavian And traces of other places. I realize my results are different from my paternal aunt (due to my DNA from Mom's side). Has anyone else from the Banat tested in a similar manner and would they be willing to share the results. Obviously I don't mind my results being public on the list; if someone would rather share privately that would be fine also. I was just wondering if anyone else reading this list tested similar to me. 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Thanks Roy ... for your explanation. I knew it was complicated and would have to spend a bit of time trying to understand all the information. I'm considering asking my brother to have his DNA tested ... just to see how his would differ since I am assuming his Y chromosome would bring more information. I will print out your explanation to help me understand more. You've started me on a quest to learn more about this type of testing. I just find it interesting ... and have heard that if we go back 1000 years we find we are all related ... which does make sense. Thanks for your help. Susan Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 22:27:16 -0700 From: royengel@rogers.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] Ancestry DNA testing To: swan1200@hotmail.com; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Hi Susan,I have had some DNA ancestry testing done as well and I have a bit of a biology background. Without actually seeing the report of your results, I'm not sure whether your interpretations of these percentages reflect what these percentages actually mean. When these labs test your DNA, they are looking at specific markers on the mitochondrial DNA for both men and women (these are used to establish the maternal ancestry) and specific markers on the Y-chromosome for men (these establish the paternal ancestry). These markers, and there are two types, do not code for any physical or physiological traits. They are mutations that have occurred throughout the history of the human species. One type, and I will not go into the details here, mutates very rarely (over thousands of years) and is used to establish an individuals deep ancestral roots. The other type mutates more frequently (every several generations) and can be used to established how distantly two individuals are related. An enormous database of the distribution of these markers for people around the world has been compiled and it has been used, in combination with historical and archaeological records, to hypothesize how humans have migrated from the Rift Valley in Africa to all parts of the world. Perhaps you have seen such migration maps on the DNA testing websites. Since these labs cannot test every known marker for each individual, because the cost would be prohibitive, they test 10 to 25 representative markers and calculate the probability of the individual belonging to a particular group. The major groups have been designated by an alphabetic letter. For the Y-chromosome (paternal lines), there are 18 main groups: A to R. Within each group there are subgroups, which define the ancestry more precisely. I have personally had 25 markers tested and I have been identified, with a probability of about 90%, that I lie within sub-group R1b. This is no surprise, since this is a dominant group in western Europe. The more markers that you have tested, the higher the degree of certainty as to your ancestral roots. The subgroups also become more and more refined (more numbers and letters get added). The problem with this science is that throughout history, not all populations that were close relatives always migrated together. Therefore, there will always be some individuals that have ended up in a part of the world that is far from the region where most of there ancestors ended up. The end result is that there is quite a bit of "mixing" of these markers within a regional population. Hence, there will always be a degree of uncertainty. This is where the percentages that you have posted come from. So when you look at a map that shows the distribution of groups with a specific location, it often has a pie chart that shows the percentage of people in that area with each of the main groups present there. For mitochondrial DNA (maternal line), the same thing has been done. There are 20 main groups ( A to Z , for some reason O,P,Q,S and Y have been skipped) for the mDNA markers.Since the people of the world have been much more mobile for the last several decades and offspring from people of different ancestral genetic backgrounds more common, the distribution of these genetic markers are becoming much more homogenized throughout the world. Nevertheless, the geographical distributions have been firmly established and correspond well with the accepted anthropological theories of early human migrations. I wish to make it clear that I am not an expert in anthropology. Also, this is a fairly simple explanation of DNA ancestry testing. If someone wishes to know more about these markers, I can post that, but there is so much good information on the internet, it would be redundant for me to post it here.I also hope that I have not offended anyone's religious beliefs with this. If so, I apologize in advance and want to make it clear that I respect everyone's belief system and would never attempt to change them.Roy On Sunday, September 7, 2014 8:34 PM, Susan Sander via <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: I recently took or had administered the DNA testing from Ancestry.com My father's family came from Glogowatz, Hungary and can be traced through Neupanat; Sankta Anna and Sanktmarton. I have traced one line back to Au am Rhein. And my Reichert ancestors from Glogowatz -- family I have contacted recently said the Reichert's came from Alsace. My mother's family came from Bohemia or the Czech Republic. I have traced both paternal and maternal lines back to the early 1700's. This is the result of my tests: 37% Eastern Europe which would include Czech Republic, Slovakia; Hungary, Romania 23% Western Europe which includes Germany, France and Austria 23% Scandinavian My paternal aunt tested differently reflecting the paternal side of my family. 32% Western Europe 16% Italy; Greece 15% Great Britain 15% Eastern Europes 8% Scandinavian And traces of other places. I realize my results are different from my paternal aunt (due to my DNA from Mom's side). Has anyone else from the Banat tested in a similar manner and would they be willing to share the results. Obviously I don't mind my results being public on the list; if someone would rather share privatelythat would be fine also. I was just wondering if anyone else reading this list tested similar to me. Susan -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can someone tell me how much this cost and where to begin? I don't like making all this info public in case someone gets us mixed up with some criminal thing because of a mistake in DNA I don't even like Facebook....too much info for other people to steal your identy Thanks and Have a Great Day ! Frank A. Jakob, Cape Coral Flofida > On Sep 8, 2014, at 12:54 PM, Susan Sander via <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Thanks Roy ... for your explanation. I knew it was complicated and would have to spend a bit of > time trying to understand all the information. > > I'm considering asking my brother to have his DNA tested ... just to see how his would differ since > I am assuming his Y chromosome would bring more information. I will print out your explanation > to help me understand more. > > You've started me on a quest to learn more about this type of testing. I just find it interesting ... > and have heard that if we go back 1000 years we find we are all related ... which does make sense. > > Thanks for your help. > > Susan > > > > Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 22:27:16 -0700 > From: royengel@rogers.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Ancestry DNA testing > To: swan1200@hotmail.com; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > > Hi Susan,I have had some DNA ancestry testing done as well and I have a bit of a biology background. Without actually seeing the report of your results, I'm not sure whether your interpretations of these percentages reflect what these percentages actually mean. When these labs test your DNA, they are looking at specific markers on the mitochondrial DNA for both men and women (these are used to establish the maternal ancestry) and specific markers on the Y-chromosome for men (these establish the paternal ancestry). These markers, and there are two types, do > not code for any physical or physiological traits. They are mutations that have occurred throughout the history of the human species. One type, and I will not go into the details here, mutates very rarely (over thousands of years) and is used to establish an individuals deep ancestral roots. The other type mutates more frequently (every several generations) and can be used to established how distantly two individuals are related. An enormous database of the distribution of these markers for people around the world has been compiled and it has been used, in combination with historical and archaeological records, to hypothesize how humans have migrated from the Rift Valley in Africa to all parts of the world. Perhaps you have seen such migration maps on the DNA testing websites. Since these labs cannot test every known marker for each individual, because the cost would be prohibitive, they test 10 to 25 representative > markers and calculate the probability of the individual belonging to a particular group. The major groups have been designated by an alphabetic letter. For the Y-chromosome (paternal lines), there are 18 main groups: A to R. Within each group there are subgroups, which define the ancestry more precisely. I have personally had 25 markers tested and I have been identified, with a probability of about 90%, that I lie within sub-group R1b. This is no surprise, since this is a dominant group in western Europe. The more markers that you have tested, the higher the degree of certainty as to your ancestral roots. The subgroups also become more and more refined (more numbers and letters get added). The problem with this science is that throughout history, not all populations that were close relatives always migrated together. Therefore, there will always be some individuals that have ended up in a part of the > world that is far from the region where most of there ancestors ended up. The end result is that there is quite a bit of "mixing" of these markers within a regional population. Hence, there will always be a degree of uncertainty. This is where the percentages that you have posted come from. So when you look at a map that shows the distribution of groups with a specific location, it often has a pie chart that shows the percentage of people in that area with each of the main groups present there. For mitochondrial DNA (maternal line), the same thing has been done. There are 20 main groups ( A to Z , for some reason O,P,Q,S and Y have been skipped) for the mDNA markers.Since the people of the world have been > much more mobile for the last several decades and offspring from people of different ancestral genetic backgrounds more common, the distribution of these genetic markers are becoming much more homogenized throughout the world. Nevertheless, the geographical distributions have been firmly established and correspond well with the accepted anthropological theories of early human migrations. I wish to make it clear that I am not an expert in anthropology. Also, this is a fairly simple explanation of DNA ancestry testing. If someone wishes to know more about these markers, I can post that, but there is so much good information on the internet, it would be redundant for me to post it here.I also hope that I have not offended > anyone's religious beliefs with this. If so, I apologize in advance and want to make it clear that I respect everyone's belief system and would never attempt to change them.Roy > > On Sunday, September 7, 2014 8:34 PM, Susan Sander via <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > I recently took or had administered the DNA testing from Ancestry.com My father's family came from Glogowatz, Hungary and can be traced through Neupanat; Sankta Anna and Sanktmarton. I have traced one line back to Au am Rhein. And my Reichert ancestors from Glogowatz -- family I have contacted recently said the Reichert's came from Alsace. My mother's family came from Bohemia or the Czech Republic. I have traced both paternal and maternal lines back to the early 1700's. This is the result of my tests: 37% Eastern Europe which would include Czech Republic, Slovakia; Hungary, Romania 23% Western Europe which includes Germany, France and Austria > 23% Scandinavian My paternal aunt tested differently reflecting the paternal side of my family. 32% Western Europe 16% Italy; Greece 15% Great Britain 15% Eastern Europes 8% Scandinavian And traces of other places. I realize my results are different from my paternal aunt (due to my DNA from Mom's side). Has anyone else from the Banat tested in a similar manner and would they be willing to share the results. Obviously I don't mind my results being public on the list; if someone would rather share privatelythat would be fine also. I was just wondering if anyone else reading this list tested similar to me. Susan -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Susan! I would just add one more thing to this fabulous piece of information that Roy has composed. That is....when you say "Scandinavian %, etc.....keep in mind DNA is biology and genetics. When designations are made as to "location" of some or many others to whom you may have a genetic link, that designation is ONLY describing geography in a moment in time...as Roy explained, the "genetic mapping" is about patterns of Migration of groups of people who were often genetically related, but also migrated together based on circumstances at the time they lived. And if they hung out together long enough, they eventually became "genetically related" which then created an expansion of the already existing "markers", not physical or psychological mutations, but rather a glomming on of additional traits, which then provides the blueprint to establish ancient genetics for grouping today. One of my professors always used a child's set of building blocks to create a mental visual that helps to understand the process. It's often very difficult, at least for me anyway, to separate genetics from ethnicity, geography and culture, but it is essential to understand in order to accurately describe ancestry. Karen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "royengel via" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> To: "Susan Sander" <swan1200@hotmail.com>; <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 1:27 AM Subject: Re: [DVHH] Ancestry DNA testing > Hi Susan, > I have had some DNA ancestry testing done as well and I have a bit of a > biology background. Without actually seeing the report of your results, > I'm not sure whether your interpretations of these percentages reflect > what these percentages actually mean. When these labs test your DNA, they > are looking at specific markers on the mitochondrial DNA for both men and > women (these are used to establish the maternal ancestry) and specific > markers on the Y-chromosome for men (these establish the paternal > ancestry). These markers, and there are two types, do not code for any > physical or physiological traits. They are mutations that have occurred > throughout the history of the human species. One type, and I will not go > into the details here, mutates very rarely (over thousands of years) and > is used to establish an individuals deep ancestral roots. The other type > mutates more frequently (every several generations) and can be used to > established how distantly two > individuals are related. An enormous database of the distribution of > these markers for people around the world has been compiled and it has > been used, in combination with historical and archaeological records, to > hypothesize how humans have migrated from the Rift Valley in Africa to all > parts of the world. Perhaps you have seen such migration maps on the DNA > testing websites. Since these labs cannot test every known marker for > each individual, because the cost would be prohibitive, they test 10 to 25 > representative markers and calculate the probability of the individual > belonging to a particular group. The major groups have been designated by > an alphabetic letter. For the Y-chromosome (paternal lines), there are 18 > main groups: A to R. Within each group there are subgroups, which define > the ancestry more precisely. I have personally had 25 markers tested and > I have been identified, with a probability of about 90%, that I lie within > sub-group R1b. > This is no surprise, since this is a dominant group in western Europe. > The more markers that you have tested, the higher the degree of certainty > as to your ancestral roots. The subgroups also become more and more > refined (more numbers and letters get added). The problem with this > science is that throughout history, not all populations that were close > relatives always migrated together. Therefore, there will always be some > individuals that have ended up in a part of the world that is far from the > region where most of there ancestors ended up. The end result is that > there is quite a bit of "mixing" of these markers within a regional > population. Hence, there will always be a degree of uncertainty. This is > where the percentages that you have posted come from. So when you look at > a map that shows the distribution of groups with a specific location, it > often has a pie chart that shows the percentage of people in that area > with each of the main groups > present there. For mitochondrial DNA (maternal line), the same thing has > been done. There are 20 main groups ( A to Z , for some reason O,P,Q,S > and Y have been skipped) for the mDNA markers. > Since the people of the world have been much more mobile for the last > several decades and offspring from people of different ancestral genetic > backgrounds more common, the distribution of these genetic markers are > becoming much more homogenized throughout the world. Nevertheless, the > geographical distributions have been firmly established and correspond > well with the accepted anthropological theories of early human migrations. > I wish to make it clear that I am not an expert in anthropology. Also, > this is a fairly simple explanation of DNA ancestry testing. If someone > wishes to know more about these markers, I can post that, but there is so > much good information on the internet, it would be redundant for me to > post it here. > I also hope that I have not offended anyone's religious beliefs with this. > If so, I apologize in advance and want to make it clear that I respect > everyone's belief system and would never attempt to change them. > Roy > > > On Sunday, September 7, 2014 8:34 PM, Susan Sander via > <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > > I recently took or had administered the DNA testing from Ancestry.com > > My father's family came from Glogowatz, Hungary and can be traced through > Neupanat; Sankta Anna and Sanktmarton. I have traced one line back > to Au am Rhein. And my Reichert ancestors from Glogowatz -- family I > have contacted > recently said the Reichert's came from Alsace. > > My mother's family came from Bohemia or the Czech Republic. > > I have traced both paternal and maternal lines back to the early 1700's. > > This is the result of my tests: > > 37% Eastern Europe which would include Czech Republic, Slovakia; Hungary, > Romania > > 23% Western Europe which includes Germany, France and Austria > > 23% Scandinavian > > My paternal aunt tested differently reflecting the paternal side of my > family. > > 32% Western Europe > > 16% Italy; Greece > > 15% Great Britain > > 15% Eastern Europes > > 8% Scandinavian > > And traces of other places. > > I realize my results are different from my paternal aunt (due to my DNA > from Mom's side). > > Has anyone else from the Banat tested in a similar manner and would they > be willing to share > the results. > > Obviously I don't mind my results being public on the list; if someone > would rather share privately > that would be fine also. > > I was just wondering if anyone else reading this list tested similar to > me. > > Susan > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message