Darlene, sorry it took me so long to respond! Thanks for all your research and efforts. Parallel to our discussion I also contacted the Cleveland Hetzel clan via a contact provided by Ludwig Keck and I did get a first response. I do not know yet how and if the two, Johann Hetzel (the respondent) and Ludwig Hetzel were related, but at least it is a first contact. I'll follow that trail but my expectations are limited by now: Ludwig Hetzel apparently was raised by his older sister because his parents had died early. May be I'll find some traces in church records of Schowe, if I go back. We will see. If I can be of any help locally, please let me know. In any event, thank you very much for your persistence and your help in all of this! Manfred Roux -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Darlene Dimitrie [mailto:fon.ladee@cogeco.ca] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 14. August 2014 04:57 An: Manfred Roux Betreff: Re: AW: AW: AW: AW: AW: AW: [DVHH] Schowe: Looking for ancestors of Ludwig Hetzel Well, here's the results -- Katie talked to Adam Hetzel in Cleveland. He is 80 years old and from Neu Schowe. He remembers Ludwig Hetzel, but believes that he is not related to Ludwig. Katie also said that Adam's memory seems to be failing, so she wasn't sure how much info we could get for him. I tried to convince them to talk to you, but like most people who aren't into genealogy, they don't understand that often just talking might bring out little tidbits of information that help solve the puzzles. My theory is that all the Hetzels go back to that Peter born in 1760'ish with the 11 sons and that they are all related, but with all the generations following, they lost the connections between all the families, especially the ones that were not in the same towns. Sorry, I was hoping that I could help. One more thing, but this might take a while; I have a binder somewhere with photos of tombstones from Steelton, Pennsylvania (part of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania). A lot of our ancestors came to work here in the early 1900's in the steel mills. Sometimes just the men came and they went back home; sometimes the families came too and stayed. This was the first stop for many immigrants. I do remember seeing Hetzel tombstones and I took photos. Chances are that they have no connection to you, but when I find them, I will scan them and send them to you anyway, maybe they say where the people were from. If they died after 1910, the office has more info on them. I've talked to this office before looking for info, but my person died before 1910 and was probably buried in the "pauper" section, with no headstone and there are no records. I'd be interested to know if you ever do find anything substantial out about all this. I have relatives in the approximate area you are in - in Aldingen, Tuebingen, Stuttgart - all are with the last name BIERER. Others in the Nuremberg area are named FAUL. These are all people displaced in 1944, from Yugoslavia (Slavonia and Bosnia). They supposedly originally came from Emmendingen (the town, not the kreis), but I haven't been able to prove that from the church records. I hope that others on the list have written you - I think there are some from Schowe. Darlene Manfred Roux wrote: > Darlene, Thank you for your persistence! > > Manfred Roux > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Darlene Dimitrie [mailto:fon.ladee@cogeco.ca] > Gesendet: Freitag, 1. August 2014 22:12 > An: Manfred Roux > Betreff: Re: AW: AW: AW: AW: AW: [DVHH] Schowe: Looking for ancestors > of Ludwig Hetzel > > If I don't hear from Kathi in a week or so, I'll call and remind her. > Darlene > > Manfred Roux wrote: >> Hallo, Darlene, >> >> Thank you very much for your efforts. I also believe that these >> families are probably not directly related, but there lived a lot of > >> Hetzels in Schowe; most of them lived indeed in Neu-Schowe which is >> just another part of the same village. Anyway, thanks, and I will be > >> looking towards contacts in Cleveland who hopefully are more closely > >> related. >> >> Manfred Roux >> 71067 Sindelfingen >> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Darlene Dimitrie [mailto:fon.ladee@cogeco.ca] >> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. Juli 2014 01:55 >> An: Manfred Roux >> Betreff: Re: AW: AW: AW: AW: [DVHH] Schowe: Looking for ancestors of > >> Ludwig Hetzel >> >> Oops, got that slightly wrong - it wasn't the bands who were thought > >> not to be related, >> >> It was the two Hetzel lines - the one that Jacob Hetzel is from and >> the other one that his wife Katharina Febel is from. >> >> Darlene >> >> >> >> Darlene Dimitrie wrote: >>> I talked to Jack's wife today; she didn't seem to recognize any of >> the >>> names, although she did say there were 2 musical bands there from >> the >>> Hetzel family. She says that they weren't related, but I figure >> they >>> were, it probably was that it was several generations ago. Her >>> father-in-law also had a band in Germany. I'm going to read the >>> booklet again to see if it says where they lived in Germany. >>> >>> I asked her to see if Jack would talk to you on the phone; she > will, >> >>> but she also said that there is a relative named Adam Hetzel, who >>> lives in the Cleveland, Ohio area and is about 80 years old. She >>> thinks he might have more information and will contact him to see > if >> he will talk to you. >>> >>> She did say that her husband's family was from Neu Schowe, not Alt >>> Schowe, but I figure if it was like my family, we were scattered >>> throughout a number of towns that were in close proximity. >>> >>> Sorry this is taking so long, but I'm hopeful that Adam may > remember >> >>> more - he would be about 12 years older (born about 1934) than your > >>> Ludwig born in 1922. >>> >>> She also mentioned that they had been to the town in > Alsace-Lorraine >> >>> where the Hetzels originated from - it's a very pretty town near > the >> >>> Rhine and still has many German people in it, although they speak >>> French now. >>> >>> Darlene >>> >>> >>> >>> Manfred Roux wrote: >>>> Darlene, >>>> >>>> thanks very much for the wealth of information. If Jack Hetzel >> sends >>>> me his phone number, I can easily call him - long distance phone >>>> calls to North America are included in my rate. >>>> >>>> Thank you once again! >>>> Manfred >>>> >>>> Manfred Roux >>>> Hohenzollernstr 60 >>>> 71067 Sindelfingen >>>> >>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >>>> Von: Darlene Dimitrie [mailto:fon.ladee@cogeco.ca] >>>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. Juli 2014 19:04 >>>> An: Manfred Roux >>>> Betreff: Re: AW: AW: AW: [DVHH] Schowe: Looking for ancestors of >>>> Ludwig Hetzel >>>> >>>> Here's some of the info in the booklet - I printed out a > descendant >> >>>> chart wherever there was a LUDWIG HETZEL - however, as you can > see, >> >>>> the original Peter had a lot of sons, so there could be a lot more > >>>> LUDWIGs around. >>>> >>>> There is a Hetzel connection from both Jacob Hetzel's ancestry - >> and >>>> also from his wife Katharina Febel's ancestry - her mother was a >>>> Hetzel. >>>> >>>> Looks like your LUDWIG is not the brother of Jakob born in 1920, >> but >>>> after that there is no clear answer - >>>> 1) he could be the son of Adam Hetzel and the great-great-uncle of > >>>> Jack here in Windsor thru his mother Katharina Febel(see >> Descendants >>>> of Adam Hetzel); >>>> 2) he could be the son of George Hetzel and the great-great-uncle >> of >>>> Jack thru his father Jakob (see Descendants of George Hetzel); >>>> 3) he could be another LUDWIG elsewhere in the family tree >>>> >>>> I've also included a file of the first Peter and all his sons >>>> (Descendants of Peter Hetzel). >>>> >>>> Probably you already have this information, if you have any of the > >>>> reference books listed on the DVHH SCHOWE site. >>>> >>>> Our best bet is to be able to talk to Jack Hetzel, here in Windsor >> - >>>> I called, but they are really busy this week, but they promised to > >>>> talk to me about this next week - I'm sure they would like to >> contact >>>> you - I hope that they recognize your wife's name and her > father's; >> >>>> or have other relatives in Germany that might know something. >>>> >>>> Jack and his mother were reunited with his father in Walchshofen, >>>> Germany in 1947, after travelling around to several refugee camps >> and >>>> went to Canada in 1949. >>>> >>>> Darlene >>>> >>>> p.s. the source for the info in the booklet was Jack's Aunt Anna >>>> Hetzel and a book, published in 1961 by C. Brückner on Schowe - I >>>> suspect Jack's parents contributed info too - the booklet was >> written >>>> in 1981 as a school project >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> Darlene >> http://www.dvhh.org/membership/associates.htm#D >> http://home.cogeco.ca/~lindarlene/Index.html >> >> > > -- > Darlene > http://www.dvhh.org/membership/associates.htm#D > http://home.cogeco.ca/~lindarlene/Index.html > > -- Darlene http://www.dvhh.org/membership/associates.htm#D http://home.cogeco.ca/~lindarlene/Index.html