The Banat that Laszlo is referring to is the western Banat which was part of Yugoslavia and not the eastern part which was ceded to Romania after the First World War. We need to be specific in the use of our terms to avoid confusion on the part of others not as well versed in these matters. Henry Fischer -----Original Message----- From: László Békési Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 1:33 AM To: donauschwaben-villages Subject: Re: [DVHH] German-Hungarians - Nationality vs Citizenship Only one remark to Fran's comment: there was no Hungarian rule in the Banat in 1941-1944. It remained under German military government after the campaign in 1941, Hungary received Batschka, Baranya and some smaller territories along the river Mur. Best regards Laszlo 2014-05-14 5:05 GMT+02:00 Helga <kandhkiely@rogers.com>: > Eleanor: > > I take it that you are Eleanor that current lives in California formerly > from Detroit? I am pretty positive with my assumption, but could be > wrong. > I remember your father and think his name was Rudy and your mother > Dorothy? > What confuses me mostly is your last sentence "My father was German, > etc................and sometimes referred to her being a Schwabien and > somewhat lower than others". Could you clarify that? > > The good thing now is that at the Windsor/Detroit border, they don't ask > where you were born. any longer. They ask what is your citizenship. > Makes > things a lot easier. > > Helga Kiely > > -----Original Message----- > From: ffs1@cogeco.ca > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:44 PM > To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] German-Hungarians - Nationality vs Citizenship > > All > > A wasn't going to add anything to this conversation but I just had to. > Nationality vs Citizenship is not that important. I love my heritage, > and keep up with some of the customs and am passing them on to my > children, but what is important is to be a good citizen of your country. > My Seitz Ancestors immigrated from Hessen to the Austrian Empire in > 1765, settling first in what is now Hungary. From there onward to the > Batschka, Macedonia, eventually back to Serbia. My mother was born in > Hamburg, Germany. My Dad in Neu Slankamen Syrmia. I have two brothers > born in Romania, a sister and brother born in Macedonia, one sister born > in Poland, one in East Germany and I was born in West Germany. I am > currently a dual American and Canadian Citizen living in Canada, soon to > move to Florida in the USA. See what I mean? > > Frank - Windsor > > On 5/12/2014 2:33 PM, Eleanor Little wrote: > > Thank you, Everyone. My mother was part of Romania when part of > > Austria-Hungary was taken and given to Romania as part of the treaty > after > > WW I. Even the children were forced to learn the Romanian language at > > school. > > > > After many years, a move to Canada, the U.S.A., and becoming a U.S. > > citizen, I remember that she still hesitated strongly (became nervous, > > uncertain, had a hard time saying "Romanian") when we crossed the border > > to > > Canada and a Border officer asked her nationality. Her passport then > said > > she was from Romania. How confusing that must have been! All her > family > > remained in Ontario, Canada. > > > > I appreciate your sensitive expression of what must have been such a > > painful history for all the Donau-Schwabian people with German ancestry. > > > > My father was German and sometimes referred to her being a Schwabian and > > somewhat lower than others. > > > > Eleanor > > > > > > On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 11:04 AM, <mjm1021@comcast.net> wrote: > > > >> You need to understand the history. The Donauschwaben lived in the > Banat > >> for 150 years. When they left they were German residents of > >> Austria-Hungary. After World War I, Hungary was separated from > >> Austria. > >> The Germans in Hungary gradually lost their identity as Germans, > >> although > >> many still felt German. They no longer had a homeland protecting them. > >> > >> Then Hitler took control. In general the Donauschwaben were against > >> Hitler, but the Hungarians > >> were now in control of the Banat. The German Banaters became like > second > >> class citizens. They had no homeland. Tito took their homes away from > >> them and put them in concentration camps. > >> > >> Then after World war II our allies ignorantly decided that every > >> nationality should return to its original homeland and they changed > >> around > >> the boundaries. Part of Germany became Poland. So germans were forced > >> to > >> leave these areas so that Poles could move there. They created > monstrous > >> chaos! > >> I could not understand my parents' reactions until I went back to the > >> history! And I am still learning. > >> > >> Fran Matkovich > >> > >> Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Eve > >> To: Daniela > >> Cc: donauschwaben-villages > >> Sent: May 11, 2014 at 5:36 PM > >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] German-Hungarians - Nationality vs Citizenship > >> > >> Daniela, > >> > >> My mom & dad told the same story. Mom didn't feel wanted in Austria - > or > >> like she belonged and were refused entrance into Germany in 1946 as it > >> was > >> overcrowded and they already had some cousins that were admitted - > >> early > >> on > >> in 45. > >> > >> Eve > >> > >> > >> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:48 PM, Daniela <danielashowley@aol.com> wrote: > >> > >>>> Germany, after the 2nd world war, I am talking now West Germany not > >>>> East > >>> Germany. West Germany was the biggest confusion and chaos after the > >>> war > >>> because they bombed the crap out of West Germany. The native Germans > >>> that > >>> lived there were homeless. 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Still, Laszlo was correct. The only Banat in existence in 1941 - 1944 was the autonomous administrative area of Rump Serbia headed by Nedic, but in fact controlled by the Nazi German military. Under the Nazi administration the local Shwovish cultural association, headed by Josef (Sepp) Janko, had many high government positions and was a privileged minority. During the period 1941 - 1944 Hitler was still undecided about whether to include this area of the Vojvodina with the Batschka and Baranja in the area controlled by Hungary (who continued to press for control of the Banat) and this created a great deal of tension between the Hungarians and Shwoveh in this area. The new quisling state of Serbia, including the Banat in 1941 under the provisional government of the General Milan Nedic , who took over the leadership on August 29, 1941, remained in the role of a satellite state of the Axis powers . The Shwoveh belonging to the Banat area of this Serbia were under the guidance of community leader Sepp Janko and formed an autonomous " ethnic group“. Along with the scattered Shwovish settlements of Serbia they were put under the patronage and protection of the German Military Administration. For instance, the reprisal killings of Serbs during the Winter of 1941 to 1942 where 100 Serbs (initially mainly Jewish Serbs) were killed as a punishment for the death of any German Soldier applied equally to the death of any Shwobe. From the summer of 1941 on, the Shwoveh outside of the Batschka and Baranja in the former Vojvodina were administrators of many German directives. Sepp Janko (1943) writes: " The fate of the ethnic group as well as the fate of our Homeland will be decided neither by the responsible parties in Belgrade nor by us. It will be decided finally and irrevocably only by the one man whom we have confidently given our trust, and whose orders we have sworn our lifelong fidelity and whose commands we will carry out completely even if they demand self-sacrifice : Adolf Hitler. " (Dr. Sepp Janko, 1944, „Reden und Aufsaetze“, p. 72. In my collection.) Sent from Windows Mail From: Henry Fischer Sent: ‎Wednesday‎, ‎May‎ ‎14‎, ‎2014 ‎2‎:‎30‎ ‎PM To: László Békési, dvhh The Banat that Laszlo is referring to is the western Banat which was part of Yugoslavia and not the eastern part which was ceded to Romania after the First World War. We need to be specific in the use of our terms to avoid confusion on the part of others not as well versed in these matters. Henry Fischer -----Original Message----- From: László Békési Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 1:33 AM To: donauschwaben-villages Subject: Re: [DVHH] German-Hungarians - Nationality vs Citizenship Only one remark to Fran's comment: there was no Hungarian rule in the Banat in 1941-1944. It remained under German military government after the campaign in 1941, Hungary received Batschka, Baranya and some smaller territories along the river Mur. Best regards Laszlo