may i intrudes myself Therese Schmidt and live in the U S A, i,m new here. i follow this List for more them 7 Years, and find it very interesting , my Mother was born in Gross Betschkerek Banat in 1912 , she used to say she was Austria- Hungary Born. she was very prod of it .she spoke German , Hungarian, Serbian, i can not recall my Parent say we where Schwaben, maybe we where not old enough to understand we where told our Family Tree goes way back to Elsa's Lothtringen [ if this is Spelt right] we only spoke German every where .i even Wrote a Book , on what we went true because we where German .i,m very Proud of it thanks to the List , and every one. Therese On May 5, 2014, at 5:09 PM, Rita Schiwanowitsch wrote: > Hello John, > > > > That's partly the way I understood it too. At first, I thought all settlers came down the Danube on Ulmer Schachtels. Then I found the church books from my mothers hometown, and my preconcieved notions changed. From what I have noticed, is that some definitely did come from Germany. But, others also came from within the Austro Hungarian Empire. This is why some families are not listed in the Stader books. They did not need to register because they were moving within the country they already lived. > > > > In the Pancevo region of Banat, I have found settlers from the regions of Germany, Croatia, Hungary, Serbia, Slovenia, and Italy, France, and Romania. The names of these regions were different at that time. I listed it this way for our modern visual understanding. > > > > These people settled in towns and, a couple generations later, became Schwaben. They were treated as one ethnic group.... by each other, Germany, and Yugoslavia. And, from what I understand, this is the reason the term Donauschwaben came to be used (just not by our ancestors). It was an attempt to describe the various ethnic groups that settled in the Pannonian Basin. > > > > I do not know any other way to explain what I found in the church books other than to say that there was more than one type of migration pattern. People then, just as people now, will travel to better their economic propects. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Rita > > Colorado, Jabuka, and Bistritz > > > > > > > > >> From: jmmkorn@cox.net >> To: joepsotka@gmail.com; islandkaren@bellsouth.net; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com; danielashowley@aol.com >> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 13:18:06 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Fw: FW: German-Hungarians - Nationality vs Citizenship >> >> In this Nationality versus Citizenship question I have been waiting for >> anyone to bring up just one point. I have not seen all the answers, but I >> have a point that I have been remembering during all the time I have been >> trying to research my grandmother's people. Excuse me, if I do not remember >> this correctly or if I have misunderstood something, but I was under the >> impression that the term Donauschwaben was not so much the descriptive term >> in explaining nationality, race or point of origin. I doing the readings I >> have done, I was left with the impression that through the various waves of >> immigrants over the decades that the imperials invited these many >> nationalities to populate and make productive the lands of southeastern >> Europe, following the removal of the Ottoman Turks. My point or thought was >> that this term "Donauschwaben" was more the term applied to their common >> assembly point >> in the Schwaben lands of what we know today as southern Germany in the area >> of Ulm. If I could use the verb "to render" this process was ultimately to >> result in the bringing together of many separate peoples. Literally to be >> 'shipped down the river' on the Ulmer Schachtels, where they were to settle >> and revive these lands. So the process not only rendered new lands, but >> also rendered the people themselves in a sort a new people. I am not trying >> to step on any one's toes, but this is my two cents worth from my >> perspective from here in Arizona. >> >> Thank you anyone and everyone for reading and trying to understand my >> thoughts and words. I have said my peace! Be well all! >> >> John J. Kornfeind >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Daniela" <danielashowley@aol.com> >> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 10:36 AM >> To: <joepsotka@gmail.com>; <islandkaren@bellsouth.net>; >> <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Fw: FW: German-Hungarians - Nationality vs Citizenship >> >>> >>> I have been here only a short time. I thoroughly enjoy all that is >>> discussed here. No one need to leave this wonderful DVHH group. History is >>> not cast in stone. Even ancient historical documents that actually were >>> cast in stone, were subject to the bias of those who commanded the chisel. >>> Our Donauschwaben history and culture is very very rich and confusing. >>> There will and should be many opinions and stories. We do not and cannot >>> always be in 100% agreement. As in any heartfelt discussion, there is >>> inevitable heartfelt disagreement. We must always remember, we all have a >>> right to our own opinion and our own interpretation of history. >>> >>> >>> Daniela Ivkovic Showley >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joseph Psotka <joepsotka@gmail.com> >>> >>> < Thank you islandkaren for a good fight. On the one hand it was great to >>> get >>> your detailed and supported opinions. >>> But on the other hand it would be better to let you express yourself >>> openly and >>> completely without constant bickering and criticism of your views. >>> >>> If there are other more open and welcoming sites where you feel more >>> comfortable, please let me know. I'll see you there. > >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: "islandkaren" <islandkaren@bellsouth.net> >>> >>> >>>> Okee-Dokee! Ya know what, you guys win! >>>> Catch ya later. >>>> Karen. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Nick Tullius" <ntullius@rogers.com> >>> >>>> Jody and Karen, >>>> >>>> To avoid further gross misrepresentation of what I am saying, I would >>>> really >>>> like to see a distinction made between the PRIVATE and the GROUP. And >>>> that >>>> preferably before any further public debate. >>>> To try a simplification: I never said that the DS are a group that >>>> is pure, 100% German. That does not even exist in Germany. Reality is, >>>> that >>>> the Danube Swabians as a group have a German nationality, i.e., they have >>>> a >>>> language with many German dialects, a way of life, a culture, a history. >>>> What I object to, is when I see that Karen is trying to use her own >>>> family history (and maybe sociology and DNA analysis) to prove that the >>>> DS >>>> were not essentially a German group. >>>> Looks like a grandiose undertaking, but doomed to failure because reality >>>> interferes. >>>> >>>> Take care, >>>> Nick >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Herzlich willkommen, Therese! A warm welcome to our group! I was born in Neusatz (Novi-Sad) in the Batschka and now live in Canada; my parents were born in Palanka and Neu-Futok. You say you wrote a book about your experiences. Has it been published? I hope you can share your experiences with us. Best wishes, Rose On 5 May 2014 18:46, therese schmidt <trherschas@yahoo.com> wrote: > may i intrudes myself Therese Schmidt and live in the U S A, i,m new > here. > i follow this List for more them 7 Years, and find it very > interesting , > my Mother was born in Gross Betschkerek Banat in 1912 , she used to > say > she was Austria- Hungary Born. she was very prod of it .she spoke > German , Hungarian, Serbian, i can not recall my Parent say we where > Schwaben, maybe we where not old enough to understand > we where told our Family Tree goes way back > to Elsa's Lothtringen [ if this is Spelt right] we only spoke German > every where > .i even Wrote a Book , on what we went true > because we where German .i,m very Proud of it > thanks to the List , and every one. > Therese > > > On May 5, 2014, at 5:09 PM, Rita Schiwanowitsch wrote: > > > Hello John, > > > > > > > > That's partly the way I understood it too. At first, I thought all > settlers came down the Danube on Ulmer Schachtels. Then I found the church > books from my mothers hometown, and my preconcieved notions changed. From > what I have noticed, is that some definitely did come from Germany. But, > others also came from within the Austro Hungarian Empire. This is why some > families are not listed in the Stader books. They did not need to register > because they were moving within the country they already lived. > > > > > > > > In the Pancevo region of Banat, I have found settlers from the regions > of Germany, Croatia, Hungary, Serbia, Slovenia, and Italy, France, and > Romania. The names of these regions were different at that time. I listed > it this way for our modern visual understanding. > > > > > > > > These people settled in towns and, a couple generations later, became > Schwaben. They were treated as one ethnic group.... by each other, > Germany, and Yugoslavia. And, from what I understand, this is the reason > the term Donauschwaben came to be used (just not by our ancestors). It was > an attempt to describe the various ethnic groups that settled in the > Pannonian Basin. > > > > > > > > I do not know any other way to explain what I found in the church books > other than to say that there was more than one type of migration pattern. > People then, just as people now, will travel to better their economic > propects. > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > Rita > > > > Colorado, Jabuka, and Bistritz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> From: jmmkorn@cox.net > >> To: joepsotka@gmail.com; islandkaren@bellsouth.net; > donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com; danielashowley@aol.com > >> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 13:18:06 -0700 > >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Fw: FW: German-Hungarians - Nationality vs > Citizenship > >> > >> In this Nationality versus Citizenship question I have been waiting for > >> anyone to bring up just one point. I have not seen all the answers, but > I > >> have a point that I have been remembering during all the time I have > been > >> trying to research my grandmother's people. Excuse me, if I do not > remember > >> this correctly or if I have misunderstood something, but I was under the > >> impression that the term Donauschwaben was not so much the descriptive > term > >> in explaining nationality, race or point of origin. I doing the > readings I > >> have done, I was left with the impression that through the various > waves of > >> immigrants over the decades that the imperials invited these many > >> nationalities to populate and make productive the lands of southeastern > >> Europe, following the removal of the Ottoman Turks. My point or thought > was > >> that this term "Donauschwaben" was more the term applied to their common > >> assembly point > >> in the Schwaben lands of what we know today as southern Germany in the > area > >> of Ulm. If I could use the verb "to render" this process was ultimately > to > >> result in the bringing together of many separate peoples. Literally to > be > >> 'shipped down the river' on the Ulmer Schachtels, where they were to > settle > >> and revive these lands. So the process not only rendered new lands, but > >> also rendered the people themselves in a sort a new people. I am not > trying > >> to step on any one's toes, but this is my two cents worth from my > >> perspective from here in Arizona. > >> > >> Thank you anyone and everyone for reading and trying to understand my > >> thoughts and words. I have said my peace! Be well all! > >> > >> John J. Kornfeind > >> -------------------------------------------------- > >> From: "Daniela" <danielashowley@aol.com> > >> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 10:36 AM > >> To: <joepsotka@gmail.com>; <islandkaren@bellsouth.net>; > >> <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Fw: FW: German-Hungarians - Nationality vs > Citizenship > >> > >>> > >>> I have been here only a short time. I thoroughly enjoy all that is > >>> discussed here. No one need to leave this wonderful DVHH group. > History is > >>> not cast in stone. Even ancient historical documents that actually were > >>> cast in stone, were subject to the bias of those who commanded the > chisel. > >>> Our Donauschwaben history and culture is very very rich and confusing. > >>> There will and should be many opinions and stories. We do not and > cannot > >>> always be in 100% agreement. As in any heartfelt discussion, there is > >>> inevitable heartfelt disagreement. We must always remember, we all > have a > >>> right to our own opinion and our own interpretation of history. > >>> > >>> > >>> Daniela Ivkovic Showley > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Joseph Psotka <joepsotka@gmail.com> > >>> > >>> < Thank you islandkaren for a good fight. On the one hand it was great > to > >>> get > >>> your detailed and supported opinions. > >>> But on the other hand it would be better to let you express yourself > >>> openly and > >>> completely without constant bickering and criticism of your views. > >>> > >>> If there are other more open and welcoming sites where you feel more > >>> comfortable, please let me know. I'll see you there. > > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: "islandkaren" <islandkaren@bellsouth.net> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Okee-Dokee! Ya know what, you guys win! > >>>> Catch ya later. > >>>> Karen. > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "Nick Tullius" <ntullius@rogers.com> > >>> > >>>> Jody and Karen, > >>>> > >>>> To avoid further gross misrepresentation of what I am saying, I would > >>>> really > >>>> like to see a distinction made between the PRIVATE and the GROUP. And > >>>> that > >>>> preferably before any further public debate. > >>>> To try a simplification: I never said that the DS are a group that > >>>> is pure, 100% German. That does not even exist in Germany. Reality is, > >>>> that > >>>> the Danube Swabians as a group have a German nationality, i.e., they > have > >>>> a > >>>> language with many German dialects, a way of life, a culture, a > history. > >>>> What I object to, is when I see that Karen is trying to use her own > >>>> family history (and maybe sociology and DNA analysis) to prove that > the > >>>> DS > >>>> were not essentially a German group. > >>>> Looks like a grandiose undertaking, but doomed to failure because > reality > >>>> interferes. > >>>> > >>>> Take care, > >>>> Nick > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' > >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Danke Rose, i was born in Gross Betschkerek now Serbien , i live in the U S A . my Mother was also born in Gross Betschkerek my Father in Karlsdorf , yes i wrote a Book, IT IS PUBLISHED BY AMAZON , UNDER THE NAME KRUSCHEVLJE CONCENTRATION CAMP FOR GERMAN - YUGOSLAVS AFTER WORLD WAR II. MY MOTHER HER MOTHER[ SHE DIED IN KRUSCHEVLJE ] with my 2 SISTERS . my MOTHER 2 SISTERS AND ME WHERE LUCKY WE WHERE TAKEN A CROSS TO HUNGARY .in the beginning of 1947 .there is much more in the Book , most of what we went true because we where German . best wishes to the List you Rose thanks for the Welcome . Therese . On May 7, 2014, at 3:46 PM, Rose Vetter wrote: > Herzlich willkommen, Therese! A warm welcome to our group! I was born in Neusatz (Novi-Sad) in the Batschka and now live in Canada; my parents were born in Palanka and Neu-Futok. You say you wrote a book about your experiences. Has it been published? I hope you can share your experiences with us. > > Best wishes, > Rose > > > On 5 May 2014 18:46, therese schmidt <trherschas@yahoo.com> wrote: > may i intrudes myself Therese Schmidt and live in the U S A, i,m new here. > i follow this List for more them 7 Years, and find it very interesting , > my Mother was born in Gross Betschkerek Banat in 1912 , she used to say > she was Austria- Hungary Born. she was very prod of it .she spoke > German , Hungarian, Serbian, i can not recall my Parent say we where > Schwaben, maybe we where not old enough to understand > we where told our Family Tree goes way back > to Elsa's Lothtringen [ if this is Spelt right] we only spoke German every where > .i even Wrote a Book , on what we went true > because we where German .i,m very Proud of it > thanks to the List , and every one. > Therese > > > On May 5, 2014, at 5:09 PM, Rita Schiwanowitsch wrote: > > > Hello John, > > > > > > > > That's partly the way I understood it too. At first, I thought all settlers came down the Danube on Ulmer Schachtels. Then I found the church books from my mothers hometown, and my preconcieved notions changed. From what I have noticed, is that some definitely did come from Germany. But, others also came from within the Austro Hungarian Empire. This is why some families are not listed in the Stader books. They did not need to register because they were moving within the country they already lived. > > > > > > > > In the Pancevo region of Banat, I have found settlers from the regions of Germany, Croatia, Hungary, Serbia, Slovenia, and Italy, France, and Romania. The names of these regions were different at that time. I listed it this way for our modern visual understanding. > > > > > > > > These people settled in towns and, a couple generations later, became Schwaben. They were treated as one ethnic group.... by each other, Germany, and Yugoslavia. And, from what I understand, this is the reason the term Donauschwaben came to be used (just not by our ancestors). It was an attempt to describe the various ethnic groups that settled in the Pannonian Basin. > > > > > > > > I do not know any other way to explain what I found in the church books other than to say that there was more than one type of migration pattern. People then, just as people now, will travel to better their economic propects. > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > Rita > > > > Colorado, Jabuka, and Bistritz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> From: jmmkorn@cox.net > >> To: joepsotka@gmail.com; islandkaren@bellsouth.net; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com; danielashowley@aol.com > >> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 13:18:06 -0700 > >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Fw: FW: German-Hungarians - Nationality vs Citizenship > >> > >> In this Nationality versus Citizenship question I have been waiting for > >> anyone to bring up just one point. I have not seen all the answers, but I > >> have a point that I have been remembering during all the time I have been > >> trying to research my grandmother's people. Excuse me, if I do not remember > >> this correctly or if I have misunderstood something, but I was under the > >> impression that the term Donauschwaben was not so much the descriptive term > >> in explaining nationality, race or point of origin. I doing the readings I > >> have done, I was left with the impression that through the various waves of > >> immigrants over the decades that the imperials invited these many > >> nationalities to populate and make productive the lands of southeastern > >> Europe, following the removal of the Ottoman Turks. My point or thought was > >> that this term "Donauschwaben" was more the term applied to their common > >> assembly point > >> in the Schwaben lands of what we know today as southern Germany in the area > >> of Ulm. If I could use the verb "to render" this process was ultimately to > >> result in the bringing together of many separate peoples. Literally to be > >> 'shipped down the river' on the Ulmer Schachtels, where they were to settle > >> and revive these lands. So the process not only rendered new lands, but > >> also rendered the people themselves in a sort a new people. I am not trying > >> to step on any one's toes, but this is my two cents worth from my > >> perspective from here in Arizona. > >> > >> Thank you anyone and everyone for reading and trying to understand my > >> thoughts and words. I have said my peace! Be well all! > >> > >> John J. Kornfeind > >> -------------------------------------------------- > >> From: "Daniela" <danielashowley@aol.com> > >> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 10:36 AM > >> To: <joepsotka@gmail.com>; <islandkaren@bellsouth.net>; > >> <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Fw: FW: German-Hungarians - Nationality vs Citizenship > >> > >>> > >>> I have been here only a short time. I thoroughly enjoy all that is > >>> discussed here. No one need to leave this wonderful DVHH group. History is > >>> not cast in stone. Even ancient historical documents that actually were > >>> cast in stone, were subject to the bias of those who commanded the chisel. > >>> Our Donauschwaben history and culture is very very rich and confusing. > >>> There will and should be many opinions and stories. We do not and cannot > >>> always be in 100% agreement. As in any heartfelt discussion, there is > >>> inevitable heartfelt disagreement. We must always remember, we all have a > >>> right to our own opinion and our own interpretation of history. > >>> > >>> > >>> Daniela Ivkovic Showley > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Joseph Psotka <joepsotka@gmail.com> > >>> > >>> < Thank you islandkaren for a good fight. On the one hand it was great to > >>> get > >>> your detailed and supported opinions. > >>> But on the other hand it would be better to let you express yourself > >>> openly and > >>> completely without constant bickering and criticism of your views. > >>> > >>> If there are other more open and welcoming sites where you feel more > >>> comfortable, please let me know. I'll see you there. > > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: "islandkaren" <islandkaren@bellsouth.net> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Okee-Dokee! Ya know what, you guys win! > >>>> Catch ya later. > >>>> Karen. > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "Nick Tullius" <ntullius@rogers.com> > >>> > >>>> Jody and Karen, > >>>> > >>>> To avoid further gross misrepresentation of what I am saying, I would > >>>> really > >>>> like to see a distinction made between the PRIVATE and the GROUP. And > >>>> that > >>>> preferably before any further public debate. > >>>> To try a simplification: I never said that the DS are a group that > >>>> is pure, 100% German. That does not even exist in Germany. Reality is, > >>>> that > >>>> the Danube Swabians as a group have a German nationality, i.e., they have > >>>> a > >>>> language with many German dialects, a way of life, a culture, a history. > >>>> What I object to, is when I see that Karen is trying to use her own > >>>> family history (and maybe sociology and DNA analysis) to prove that the > >>>> DS > >>>> were not essentially a German group. > >>>> Looks like a grandiose undertaking, but doomed to failure because reality > >>>> interferes. > >>>> > >>>> Take care, > >>>> Nick > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >