Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Joseph Psotka<mailto:psotka@msn.com> Sent: 5/19/2014 10:57 PM To: Daniela<mailto:danielashowley@aol.com> Subject: RE: [DVHH] Shwovish, Shwobe, Shwoveh - A New Terminology? Please read: Balkan Genocides By Paul Mojzes Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Daniela<mailto:danielashowley@aol.com> Sent: 5/19/2014 10:35 PM To: psotka@msn.com<mailto:psotka@msn.com>; evebrown@gmail.com<mailto:evebrown@gmail.com>; schiwanore@msn.com<mailto:schiwanore@msn.com> Cc: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com<mailto:donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Shwovish, Shwobe, Shwoveh - A New Terminology? Hi there Joseph, First of all, the Donauschwaben have absolutely NOTHING to do with the holocaust. You had made reference in your first post on this subject title to the "Drang nach Austen". which means the way to the east or the invasion to the east. And then you are mentioning Weimar and then you jumped to the Nazi. I tell you again, that has nothing to do with the Donauschwaben. Are you sir, suggesting the Donauschwaben participated in the holocaust? The anser is absolutely not. They had nothing to do with that. And why you are bringing it up is very puzzling sir. In my opinion your comments are completely out of context. But I welcome your rebuttal. Daniela Ivkovic Showley -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Psotka <psotka@msn.com> To: Eve <evebrown@gmail.com>; Rita Schiwanowitsch <schiwanore@msn.com> What I feel is that this is a closed minded and racist group, denying the holocaust and shwovish involvement in it. To exclude an informed voice of reason who would discuss these issues openly and objectively simply proves it. Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Eve<mailto:evebrown@gmail.com> Sent: 5/19/2014 8:01 PM To: Rita Schiwanowitsch<mailto:schiwanore@msn.com> Cc: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com<mailto:donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Shwovish, Shwobe, Shwoveh - A New Terminology? To all, sorry coming into this late, Joe knows how I feel about some of his comments and as far as posting to the list - I would be the guilty party here as I've tried to encourage everyone to be open with their comments so others can learn - However, I agree with Jody (and Henry and Rose) that some things have gone above and beyond and if Joe does not feel he is Donauschwaben or Danube Swabian - then he belongs somewhere else. I want people to debate different opinions and hash things out, but this thing has truly gotten to be too much and a little too filled with anger and hate (I am talking with you Joe) and I really tried to stress being kind and considerate and that means respecting others on this mail list. My apologies everyone as I feel this is my fault for not putting a stop to this a long time ago. Eve On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Rita Schiwanowitsch <schiwanore@msn.com>wrote: > I heartily agree with your words, Henry, and fully appreciate the > responsibilities of Rose's position. There was something I read at the > Donauschwaben Museum in Ulm.... a quotation from Bela Bartok... that stuck > me as good words to try to live by. I feel this may be the time to share > these words again..... > "Bei dem Bauern gibt es keine spur von grimmigen Hass gegen andere Volker > und hat es nie gegeben. Sie leben friedlich nebeneinander, jeder spricht > seine Sprache, halt sich an seine eigenen Gebrauche un findet es ganz > naturlich, dass sein anderessprachiger Nachbar das gleiche tut..... " > "Amongst the farmers, there was no need to hate people that were > different, and never has been. They lived feely next to one another, each > speaking their own language and seeing to their own needs. And found it > very natural that their neighbors, who spoke another language, did the > same." > Rita >
To criticize positive is always welcome, but we should leave your negative critics to ourselves. I am by nature a critic, I have learned in my work as well as my teaching adult courses in engineering, as soccer coach and administrator, as well as professional ski instructor. It always should be factual, true, so we can learn from it and expend our horizon. Therefore weigh your critic and sleep over it always looks better the next day. Well you did not know I was a philosopher too. Just kidding. We have to have a bit of humor once in a while and be forgiving to Joe he is a good fellow. Hans On Monday, May 19, 2014 10:58 PM, Joseph Psotka <psotka@msn.com> wrote: Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Joseph Psotka<mailto:psotka@msn.com> Sent: 5/19/2014 10:57 PM To: Daniela<mailto:danielashowley@aol.com> Subject: RE: [DVHH] Shwovish, Shwobe, Shwoveh - A New Terminology? Please read: Balkan Genocides By Paul Mojzes Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Daniela<mailto:danielashowley@aol.com> Sent: 5/19/2014 10:35 PM To: psotka@msn.com<mailto:psotka@msn.com>; evebrown@gmail.com<mailto:evebrown@gmail.com>; schiwanore@msn.com<mailto:schiwanore@msn.com> Cc: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com<mailto:donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Shwovish, Shwobe, Shwoveh - A New Terminology? Hi there Joseph, First of all, the Donauschwaben have absolutely NOTHING to do with the holocaust. You had made reference in your first post on this subject title to the "Drang nach Austen". which means the way to the east or the invasion to the east. And then you are mentioning Weimar and then you jumped to the Nazi. I tell you again, that has nothing to do with the Donauschwaben. Are you sir, suggesting the Donauschwaben participated in the holocaust? The anser is absolutely not. They had nothing to do with that. And why you are bringing it up is very puzzling sir. In my opinion your comments are completely out of context. But I welcome your rebuttal. Daniela Ivkovic Showley -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Psotka <psotka@msn.com> To: Eve <evebrown@gmail.com>; Rita Schiwanowitsch <schiwanore@msn.com> What I feel is that this is a closed minded and racist group, denying the holocaust and shwovish involvement in it. To exclude an informed voice of reason who would discuss these issues openly and objectively simply proves it. Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Eve<mailto:evebrown@gmail.com> Sent: 5/19/2014 8:01 PM To: Rita Schiwanowitsch<mailto:schiwanore@msn.com> Cc: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com<mailto:donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Shwovish, Shwobe, Shwoveh - A New Terminology? To all, sorry coming into this late, Joe knows how I feel about some of his comments and as far as posting to the list - I would be the guilty party here as I've tried to encourage everyone to be open with their comments so others can learn - However, I agree with Jody (and Henry and Rose) that some things have gone above and beyond and if Joe does not feel he is Donauschwaben or Danube Swabian - then he belongs somewhere else. I want people to debate different opinions and hash things out, but this thing has truly gotten to be too much and a little too filled with anger and hate (I am talking with you Joe) and I really tried to stress being kind and considerate and that means respecting others on this mail list. My apologies everyone as I feel this is my fault for not putting a stop to this a long time ago. Eve On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Rita Schiwanowitsch <schiwanore@msn.com>wrote: > I heartily agree with your words, Henry, and fully appreciate the > responsibilities of Rose's position. There was something I read at the > Donauschwaben Museum in Ulm.... a quotation from Bela Bartok... that stuck > me as good words to try to live by. I feel this may be the time to share > these words again..... > "Bei dem Bauern gibt es keine spur von grimmigen Hass gegen andere Volker > und hat es nie gegeben. Sie leben friedlich nebeneinander, jeder spricht > seine Sprache, halt sich an seine eigenen Gebrauche un findet es ganz > naturlich, dass sein anderessprachiger Nachbar das gleiche tut..... " > "Amongst the farmers, there was no need to hate people that were > different, and never has been. They lived feely next to one another, each > speaking their own language and seeing to their own needs. And found it > very natural that their neighbors, who spoke another language, did the > same." > Rita > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message