Hi Paula, Why would your father have served in the Yugoslavian army, if he lived in Austria - Hungary? I get so confused about all these places & armies. My gfather was born in what I believe to be Romania at that time BRATTAN 1896. He served in some army from somewhere between 1911 to 1918. He was wounded in Italy in about 1916 0r17 and returned home after spending much time in a hospital in Italy abt. 1918. Two things: some one told me he would have been in the Hunargian army. Why if it was romania or did it change to Austria-Hungary by then? I know my Mom always said that they were from Austria-Hungary, but she was born in Aug 1919 and the romania troops had just moved in to Temeswar. 2nd: Is it possible that when my gfather was wounded that they would have kept him as a prisoner or would they have sent him home when he was well enough? So many question! Thanks , Barb D. -----Original Message----- From: Paula Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 1:21 PM To: aztec2564@verizon.net ; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] Why our parents didn't say they were Shwovish .... HI Joe: I think my family said they were German because who on earth knows/knew what the Shwovish were. Also the fact that your family was in the contentration camp in Gakowa? Why Gakowa and not Krusevlje since Krusevlje was where you and your family lived? As for my father, he was born in Austria/Hungary, served in the Yugoslavian army, was also drafted into the German army and while in the Yugoslavian and German army, he was a British subject and held Canadian citizenship. It really didn't matter what citizenship he held. His final resting place was in the Ukraine. Helga. -----Original Message----- From: aztec2564@verizon.net Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 9:10 AM To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] Why our parents didn't say they were Shwovish .... My Father, Josef Hutflus and my Grand Parents Felix and Sabina Hutflus,born in Krusevlje, Yugoslavia considered themselves German. They spoke German and taught us German growing up. Some of my Family Hutflus members were put in the Gakova Death camps and starved or killed because they were German by Tito's partisans, " not because they were considered Yugoslavian." My family Hutflus were drafted into the German Army, because they were considered German by the German Government. My Hutflus family escaped during the night to Hungary, stayed there for a month or 2 then went to Austria, because they were German. I consider myself German-American, just as others consider themselves African-American, Irish-American, French-Canadian, etc. Joseph Hutflus New Jersey, USA.... _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry Barb for the confusion. My father was born in Ridjica, in the Batschka area and this part became Yugoslavia after WWI. Also, this is a new computer, and I know the messages say from "Paula" - she is my daughter and I don't know how her name appears. I have lots to learn on this thing and will have to somehow delete her name. I had someone else ask me if my computer had been tampered with because her name appears in all my emails. Yes, the army that they served in during WWI was indeed the Hungarian army. I believe that area was called the Kingdom on Hungary. I have photos of my grandfather in a Hungarian uniform and my great grandfather also in a Hungarian uniform. My grandfather was captured and became a prisioner of war. He was in a POW camp in Russia. After the Czar was put in exile, all POWS were released and my grandfather had to find his own way back. His stories were so interesting. My paternal grandfather was also in the Hungarian army and he didn't have much good too say. He said that they nearly starved to death. The main meal was cabbage soup on a daily basis. Not much else was in the soup besides cabbage. I don't know the answers to your number 1 and 2 question, but I am positive that several members do. So Anne Dreer, can you answer this for Barb? Helga -----Original Message----- From: Barb D Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 2:48 PM To: Paula ; aztec2564@verizon.net ; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] Why our parents didn't say they were Shwovish .... Hi Paula, Why would your father have served in the Yugoslavian army, if he lived in Austria - Hungary? I get so confused about all these places & armies. My gfather was born in what I believe to be Romania at that time BRATTAN 1896. He served in some army from somewhere between 1911 to 1918. He was wounded in Italy in about 1916 0r17 and returned home after spending much time in a hospital in Italy abt. 1918. Two things: some one told me he would have been in the Hunargian army. Why if it was romania or did it change to Austria-Hungary by then? I know my Mom always said that they were from Austria-Hungary, but she was born in Aug 1919 and the romania troops had just moved in to Temeswar. 2nd: Is it possible that when my gfather was wounded that they would have kept him as a prisoner or would they have sent him home when he was well enough? So many question! Thanks , Barb D. -----Original Message----- From: Paula Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 1:21 PM To: aztec2564@verizon.net ; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] Why our parents didn't say they were Shwovish .... HI Joe: I think my family said they were German because who on earth knows/knew what the Shwovish were. Also the fact that your family was in the contentration camp in Gakowa? Why Gakowa and not Krusevlje since Krusevlje was where you and your family lived? As for my father, he was born in Austria/Hungary, served in the Yugoslavian army, was also drafted into the German army and while in the Yugoslavian and German army, he was a British subject and held Canadian citizenship. It really didn't matter what citizenship he held. His final resting place was in the Ukraine. Helga. -----Original Message----- From: aztec2564@verizon.net Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 9:10 AM To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] Why our parents didn't say they were Shwovish .... My Father, Josef Hutflus and my Grand Parents Felix and Sabina Hutflus,born in Krusevlje, Yugoslavia considered themselves German. They spoke German and taught us German growing up. Some of my Family Hutflus members were put in the Gakova Death camps and starved or killed because they were German by Tito's partisans, " not because they were considered Yugoslavian." My family Hutflus were drafted into the German Army, because they were considered German by the German Government. My Hutflus family escaped during the night to Hungary, stayed there for a month or 2 then went to Austria, because they were German. I consider myself German-American, just as others consider themselves African-American, Irish-American, French-Canadian, etc. Joseph Hutflus New Jersey, USA.... _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Barb: A really good book to get that will begin to sort all those questions and then actually clarify and answer some would be "World War I: by H.P Willmott", pub. in USA by Dorling Kindersley Pub. Inc., A Penguin Company. First Ed. 2003. It is an excellently illustrated compendium of all things about WWI, including the "who was who" geographically. For a complete catalog of what this publisher offers see www.dk.com. Karen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> To: "Paula" <kandhkiely@rogers.com>; <aztec2564@verizon.net>; <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [DVHH] Why our parents didn't say they were Shwovish .... > Hi Paula, > Why would your father have served in the Yugoslavian army, if he lived in > Austria - Hungary? > I get so confused about all these places & armies. > My gfather was born in what I believe to be Romania at that time BRATTAN > 1896. > He served in some army from somewhere between 1911 to 1918. He was wounded > in Italy in about > 1916 0r17 and returned home after spending much time in a hospital in > Italy > abt. 1918. > Two things: some one told me he would have been in the Hunargian army. Why > if it was romania or did it change to Austria-Hungary by then? > I know my Mom always said that they were from Austria-Hungary, but she was > born in Aug 1919 and the romania troops had just moved in to Temeswar. > 2nd: Is it possible that when my gfather was wounded that they would have > kept him as a prisoner or would they have sent him home when he was well > enough? > So many question! > Thanks , > Barb D. > -----Original Message----- > From: Paula > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 1:21 PM > To: aztec2564@verizon.net ; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Why our parents didn't say they were Shwovish .... > > HI Joe: > > I think my family said they were German because who on earth knows/knew > what > the Shwovish were. Also the fact that your family was in the > contentration > camp in Gakowa? Why Gakowa and not Krusevlje since Krusevlje was where > you and your family lived? > > As for my father, he was born in Austria/Hungary, served in the > Yugoslavian > army, was also drafted into the German army and while in the Yugoslavian > and > German army, he was a British subject and held Canadian citizenship. > It really didn't matter what citizenship he held. His final resting place > was in the Ukraine. > > Helga. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aztec2564@verizon.net > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 9:10 AM > To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Why our parents didn't say they were Shwovish .... > > > My Father, Josef Hutflus and my Grand Parents Felix and Sabina > Hutflus,born > in Krusevlje, Yugoslavia considered themselves German. > > They spoke German and taught us German growing up. Some of my Family > Hutflus > members were put in the Gakova Death camps and starved or killed because > they were German by Tito's partisans, " not because they were considered > Yugoslavian." > > My family Hutflus were drafted into the German Army, because they were > considered German by the German Government. > > My Hutflus family escaped during the night to Hungary, stayed there for > a > month or 2 then went to Austria, because they were German. > > I consider myself German-American, just as others consider themselves > African-American, Irish-American, French-Canadian, etc. > > Joseph Hutflus > New Jersey, USA.... > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message