In the Kowatschi Familienbuch by Jakob Arenz 2011 I found: #538 Gutekunst Josef b. 10.12.1870 Hodon. (parents: Friedrich and Theiss, Anna Maria (Hod. 904.6) married 30.04.1894 Hodon to Dix, Josefa b. 11.02.1877 Baratzhausen child: 1. Josef b. 25.07.1895 Hodon Married 19.04.1896 to Paulus, Barbara ( par.Johann & Nischbach Barbara (Neubeschenowa. 4328.3) children: 1. Anna Maria b 19.02.1871 Hod. 2. Heinrich b. 21.04.1903 Kowatschi d 04.05.1906 " 3 Peter b 05.04.1905 Kowatschi ----- Original Message ----- From: T. Pinter To: famline@embarqmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 3:02 PM Subject: RE: Researching Germans from Kowatschi Linda, thank you very much for the detailed and lengthy response. As soon as I get a chance, I will post to those lists as you've advised. To be clear, my ancestors were not Pinters in this case but Gutekunsts. Sounds like I'll be searching variations such as Gudekunst, Gutekunz, etc. Anyway, I have detailed information about the years of their births (or approximations +/-1) and emmigration dates. US Census records state that the parents (Josef Gutekunst and Barbra Paulus) born about 1870, were born in Hungary. They emmigrated from Kovatschi but I have no idea if they themselves were born there or someplace else in Hungary. Their parents were listed as having been born in Hungary as well, so it could be several generations of Banaters born there. I knew my great grandmother (born in 1899, daughter of the two listed above) quite well; she died in 1990. Josef emmigrated to Chicago in 1905 (have the manifest), then Barbra and the kids (there were several) emmigrated in 1907. The entire family then went to the town of Banat in Michigan's upper penninsula. My great grandmother used to say the town was named after their homeland overseas and this was my biggest clue when tracking down Kovatschi and finally learning of the Banat region. It also explained why she spoke such "odd" German compared to what I was learning in high school, and why on Earth they were born in Hungary but referred to themselves as German, etc. Anyway, that's the abbreviated version of the story. Thanks again. Travis > From: famline@embarqmail.com > To: biggsdarklightr@hotmail.com > Subject: Re: Researching Germans from Kowatschi > Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:45:01 -0400 > > Dear Mr. Pinter, > I wish I could say this would be easy....but it is quite a challenge. I > will help by sharing what routes I took to get what I was lucky enough to > get. > 1.) First of all, post a message to the E-mail Address(es): (this is a > great site of really helpful researchers) > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-L@rootsweb.com > in subject line: > PINTER, BINTER, PINDER , BINDER Kowatschi/Covaci > in Message: > first and last names, dates and places you have. ( capitalize surnames > for easy reading) Specify what records you are looking for (I ask for > all/any records). Be sure to use alternate spellings that are possible and > also state you are interested in alternate spellings. for ex: Pinter = > Binter = Pinder = Binder = Pindter = Pindter. Put the last two in your > message as additional alternatives. > > FYI: P and B are interchangeable and D and T are interchangeable in > German. > Also 'dt' is sometimes used for just a single 't'. > > Do you have first names??? Other surnames? spouses maiden names, > etc. > Birthdates? Add these to your message. > the birth year and sometimes the month can be on the ship manifests. > (have you looked at these?). Also births can be on census records. At > least make an approximation on dates. The more info the better. > > 2.) post same on the Banat-L@rootsweb.com site (another great site with > helpful members) > > > My first info came from the St. Andreas book. St. Andreas was the > filial parish for Kowatschi/covaci before it had its own parish church. The > parish in Jahrmarkt was also a filial parish. > > 3.) A Mr. Jakob Arenz has the St. Andreas book and helped with information > filed there: jakob.arenz@freenet.de) > He will need names and at least approximate dates. > > 4.) Mr. Dave Dreyer had info from Jahrmarkt: ddreyer@pacbell.net He will > need names and at least approximate dates. > > I received much info from these sites; esp the St. Andreas info. Don't be > surprised if your family name/names are nothing like you are expecting. for > instance, my Bautz surname came back as Penzer / Panczer / Pancer and > finally Paucz.....there are times when the names were magyarized due to > Hungarian laws. This worked out as I knew P and B were interchangeable and > sometimes the Hungarian version of 't' was the use of "cz". so I had Paucz > = Pautz = Bautz.....the Penzer was a stretch but explained well by the > 'experts". > > 5) I received some information online from a Mr. Sorin; who is a > professional genealogist. He has access to some Kowatschi info and shared > some with me at no cost. I've heard he is reliable from other online > researchers who have used his services. My cousins and I are trying to > gather some funds to perhaps hire him for what we haven't gotten so far. I > have yet to check on the amt of this job. Perhaps after you get what you > can from the above sources, you may want to join us to add your names. I'm > sure my cousins would have no problem including you in with us....the more > involved, the less it costs each of us. Think it over. I will keep you > posted on what the costs are. Perhaps you too have relatives interested in > the same. > > Where did your family settle in the U.S.? My Kowatschiers settled first in > Philadelphia, Pa. Later my grandfather came to Mansfield, Ohio (where I > live) and his sisters moved to the Detroit, Mi. area. One cousin went to > Montana. > > Don't hesitate to write as often as you like. If anything is unclear in the > message, be sure to ask about it. > > happy hunting, > your fellow Kowatschi researcher, > > Linda > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DVHH Feedback" <feedback@dvhh.org> > To: <famline@embarqmail.com> > Cc: <biggsdarklightr@hotmail.com> > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 9:27 PM > Subject: Researching Germans from Kowatschi > > > > The following feedback was sent by Travis Pinter via the www.dvhh.org > > Contact page: > > > > Good afternoon, Ms. McKenna. I have German ancestors (Danube Swabians) who > > emmigrated from Kowatschi, Hungary (now Covaci, Romania) in 1905 and 1907, > > to the United States. I believe they lived in Hungary for several > > generations but don't even know where to start in terms of tracking down > > potential records prior to their emmigration. Can you point me in the > > right direction? 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