Hi Everyone, I find the conversation regarding the history fascinating. I joined DVHH several years ago, but I thought it was a yearly subscription? I've never gotten a yearly notice to "re-up my membership"? So, I've felt guilty about posting in the emails, as if I am eavesdropping? I would be happy to pay an annual fee, if that is what is required . . . Many of you found my paternal line in the Familienbuch Kernei in der Batschka (which I now own also). In my maternal line, three of my four grandmothers are descended from the Luther line, also German. I recently had my DNA tested from ancestry.com and my results which should have been "heavily German" were: Great Britain 72%, Italy/Greece 9%, Europe West 9%, Trace Regions 14%. I was so upset at the results! I am German!!! I am trying to find a way to either justify the results or negate them . . . I recently heard a story on NPR from a black man whose DNA indicated that he had 0% African. Has anyone else had this experience with DNA testing? Also, I am grateful for all of the recipes. My grandmother was a fantastic cook and I so regret not learning the family recipes from her. I find the recipes talked about here are what I remember eating at her house. I especially regret not learning how to pull the strudel dough for poppy seed strudel! :( Thank you, Eileen Gauder Simcox

Hi Eileen: Found your DNA story interesting as mine showed up as a big surprise too. My grandparents came to the US in 1914 from Wiesenhaid and they always told me 'we are German' period! I never heard of anything about ancestors in France, etc. But when I did my DNA the real surprise came: It shows that I am: 1/3 British Isles, 1/3 Northern European and 1/3 Southern European - which, according to Ancestry.com info means Italy, Spain, Portugal, etc. I didn't believe it either, so I had my my aunt and my sister take the tests too - their results came out very similar to mine, except for the Southern European. So, I had my mother do her DNA. Her father was Hungarian from the start - so I thought, but he had quite dark skin and now that I know there were all sorts of people living in Hungary in the 1800's I suspect my maternal grandfather had either Italian, Greek or possibly even Turkish blood in him and I'm nearly certain that is where my Southern European roots come from. Now, the British Isles really stumped me until a research told me that the name Chambre is very common in Ireland and england as far back as the 1300's!! I still have not confirmed that I had relatives from that area but I'm looking into it and, in fact, on Ancestry.com I was researching English records and hit upon a Chambre from the mid-late 1400's who was named as primary physician to King Kenry the 8th!! I laughed, thinking that I might have had a famous relaltive -- but that is going WAY back in time and I'll need a lot more than one document to make me believe he is of my family. So, especially if you are from the Alsace-Lorraine area, you may indeed have British blood in your line since I was advised that many French lived in Ireland and England back in those days. Oh, if only we could go back in time just to look and see for ourselves where we came from :-)) Don't worry too much though - at least for me I find the different DNA readings to be interesting but in my mind and heart I still believe my Grandfather: We are German! Period! :-)) All the best in your research. John John F. Schambre San Francisco, CA On Apr 27, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Eileen Simcox <easimcox@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I find the conversation regarding the history fascinating. I joined DVHH > several years ago, but I thought it was a yearly subscription? I've never > gotten a yearly notice to "re-up my membership"? So, I've felt guilty about > posting in the emails, as if I am eavesdropping? I would be happy to pay an > annual fee, if that is what is required . . . > > Many of you found my paternal line in the Familienbuch Kernei in der > Batschka (which I now own also). In my maternal line, three of my four > grandmothers are descended from the Luther line, also German. > > I recently had my DNA tested from ancestry.com and my results which should > have been "heavily German" were: Great Britain 72%, Italy/Greece 9%, Europe > West 9%, Trace Regions 14%. I was so upset at the results! I am German!!! I > am trying to find a way to either justify the results or negate them . . . > I recently heard a story on NPR from a black man whose DNA indicated that > he had 0% African. Has anyone else had this experience with DNA testing? > > Also, I am grateful for all of the recipes. My grandmother was a fantastic > cook and I so regret not learning the family recipes from her. I find the > recipes talked about here are what I remember eating at her house. I > especially regret not learning how to pull the strudel dough for poppy seed > strudel! :( > > Thank you, > Eileen Gauder Simcox > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I once asked my grandma why she had said the family was German. She said. "My dear, we were all 'Germans' then." I asked her what she considered herself and she said, "Austro-Hungarian". I told my fifth grade teacher who in turn told me there was no such place as Austria-Hungary. Everyone in Grandma's nuclear family spoke more than one language. She identified their primary language as "low German" and her family was from Alsace-Lorraine and her grandmother was pure French. The family had emigrated to the Banat before there was a "Germany". There you have it. I never even learned about Schwabish until I subscribed to this site. Diane Diane Halas 239-592-9969 -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Schambre Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 4:52 PM To: Eileen Simcox Cc: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] History of Germany - and DNA results Hi Eileen: Found your DNA story interesting as mine showed up as a big surprise too. My grandparents came to the US in 1914 from Wiesenhaid and they always told me 'we are German' period! I never heard of anything about ancestors in France, etc. But when I did my DNA the real surprise came: It shows that I am: 1/3 British Isles, 1/3 Northern European and 1/3 Southern European - which, according to Ancestry.com info means Italy, Spain, Portugal, etc. I didn't believe it either, so I had my my aunt and my sister take the tests too - their results came out very similar to mine, except for the Southern European. So, I had my mother do her DNA. Her father was Hungarian from the start - so I thought, but he had quite dark skin and now that I know there were all sorts of people living in Hungary in the 1800's I suspect my maternal grandfather had either Italian, Greek or possibly even Turkish blood in him and I'm nearly certain that is where my Southern European roots come from. Now, the British Isles really stumped me until a research told me that the name Chambre is very common in Ireland and england as far back as the 1300's!! I still have not confirmed that I had relatives from that area but I'm looking into it and, in fact, on Ancestry.com I was researching English records and hit upon a Chambre from the mid-late 1400's who was named as primary physician to King Kenry the 8th!! I laughed, thinking that I might have had a famous relaltive -- but that is going WAY back in time and I'll need a lot more than one document to make me believe he is of my family. So, especially if you are from the Alsace-Lorraine area, you may indeed have British blood in your line since I was advised that many French lived in Ireland and England back in those days. Oh, if only we could go back in time just to look and see for ourselves where we came from :-)) Don't worry too much though - at least for me I find the different DNA readings to be interesting but in my mind and heart I still believe my Grandfather: We are German! Period! :-)) All the best in your research. John John F. Schambre San Francisco, CA On Apr 27, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Eileen Simcox <easimcox@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I find the conversation regarding the history fascinating. I joined > DVHH several years ago, but I thought it was a yearly subscription? > I've never gotten a yearly notice to "re-up my membership"? So, I've > felt guilty about posting in the emails, as if I am eavesdropping? I > would be happy to pay an annual fee, if that is what is required . . . > > Many of you found my paternal line in the Familienbuch Kernei in der > Batschka (which I now own also). In my maternal line, three of my four > grandmothers are descended from the Luther line, also German. > > I recently had my DNA tested from ancestry.com and my results which > should have been "heavily German" were: Great Britain 72%, > Italy/Greece 9%, Europe West 9%, Trace Regions 14%. I was so upset at > the results! I am German!!! I am trying to find a way to either justify the results or negate them . . . > I recently heard a story on NPR from a black man whose DNA indicated > that he had 0% African. Has anyone else had this experience with DNA testing? > > Also, I am grateful for all of the recipes. My grandmother was a > fantastic cook and I so regret not learning the family recipes from > her. I find the recipes talked about here are what I remember eating > at her house. I especially regret not learning how to pull the strudel > dough for poppy seed strudel! :( > > Thank you, > Eileen Gauder Simcox > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Eileen, Glad to see you're still around, you're definitely not eavesdropping! If you would like to renew your membership, you can do so here: http://www.dvhh.org/membership/ Best regards, Dan Larson DVHH President -----Original Message----- From: Eileen Simcox <easimcox@gmail.com> To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 3:11 PM Subject: [DVHH] History of Germany Hi Everyone, I find the conversation regarding the history fascinating. I joined DVHH several years ago, but I thought it was a yearly subscription? I've never gotten a yearly notice to "re-up my membership"? So, I've felt guilty about posting in the emails, as if I am eavesdropping? I would be happy to pay an annual fee, if that is what is required . . . Many of you found my paternal line in the Familienbuch Kernei in der Batschka (which I now own also). In my maternal line, three of my four grandmothers are descended from the Luther line, also German. I recently had my DNA tested from ancestry.com and my results which should have been "heavily German" were: Great Britain 72%, Italy/Greece 9%, Europe West 9%, Trace Regions 14%. I was so upset at the results! I am German!!! I am trying to find a way to either justify the results or negate them . . . I recently heard a story on NPR from a black man whose DNA indicated that he had 0% African. Has anyone else had this experience with DNA testing? Also, I am grateful for all of the recipes. My grandmother was a fantastic cook and I so regret not learning the family recipes from her. I find the recipes talked about here are what I remember eating at her house. I especially regret not learning how to pull the strudel dough for poppy seed strudel! :( Thank you, Eileen Gauder Simcox ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Eileen: When you claim your uberGerman DNA that you believe you should have, you are simply describing Geography. Whatever your original migration "group" happens to be can be traced based on their Current Geography, not their or your Race. By this time in the history of humanity we are all a "mix" of "races"...that is Caucasian, Negro, Mongol, Indian (red), etc. And...the first (genetically) and universal "mother" was Negro out of Africa from whom we are All descended. My families on my father's side arrived in Banat very early in the late 1600s and early 1700s...but called themselves "ethnic Germans". They were not Germans...they were all born in Hungary...they were Hungarians. The fact that they maintained an ethnicity from centuries early which certainly my grandparents had never personally witnessed IN Germany...did..does not make them Germans. I am their immediate relative...I am certainly not German...never have been...I am an American. But again, I am only describing where I was born and what and where the borders happen to be in my lifetime. I adore and cherish the heritage and ethnic lifestyle my relatives practiced and I am eternally grateful for their courage and fortitude...but they were Hungarians at the time of their immigration to the US, and had been for several centuries in fact. Your DNA results merely describe the migration of people to whom you have a biologic link which seems to indicate the greater majority of them immigrated to the British Isles at some time in history. I think what you found out just makes your story much more interesting....who migrated, and when, and most interestingly Why...to the British Isles??? With William the Conqueror, or as Serfs, or Tradesmen, or maybe Military, and then...with which ethnic groups did they intermarry and how did they transform? Sounds exciting and really interesting to me.....:):) You have an interesting search ahead of you.....keep us all informed as you go! Karen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eileen Simcox" <easimcox@gmail.com> To: <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 3:11 PM Subject: [DVHH] History of Germany > Hi Everyone, > > I find the conversation regarding the history fascinating. I joined DVHH > several years ago, but I thought it was a yearly subscription? I've never > gotten a yearly notice to "re-up my membership"? So, I've felt guilty > about > posting in the emails, as if I am eavesdropping? I would be happy to pay > an > annual fee, if that is what is required . . . > > Many of you found my paternal line in the Familienbuch Kernei in der > Batschka (which I now own also). In my maternal line, three of my four > grandmothers are descended from the Luther line, also German. > > I recently had my DNA tested from ancestry.com and my results which should > have been "heavily German" were: Great Britain 72%, Italy/Greece 9%, > Europe > West 9%, Trace Regions 14%. I was so upset at the results! I am German!!! > I > am trying to find a way to either justify the results or negate them . . . > I recently heard a story on NPR from a black man whose DNA indicated that > he had 0% African. Has anyone else had this experience with DNA testing? > > Also, I am grateful for all of the recipes. My grandmother was a fantastic > cook and I so regret not learning the family recipes from her. I find the > recipes talked about here are what I remember eating at her house. I > especially regret not learning how to pull the strudel dough for poppy > seed > strudel! :( > > Thank you, > Eileen Gauder Simcox > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Eileen: It's easy to equate the Donauschwaben Villages Mail List with the DVHH website. While the two are associated they are separate entities. The Donauschwaben-Villages-L mail list only requires you to sign-up in order to freely participate. http://www.dvhh.org/community/mail-list will explain how the Mail List works. The DVHH.org website which is a goldmine of information on the Donauschwaben and I encourage everyone who hasn't already seen it to check it out. Anyone can use the website, but Memberships are available and tax deductible donations help the non-profit DVHH, Inc. to continue to grow and keep our DS history alive. DVHH, Inc. membership is renewable every year. http://www.dvhh.org/community/index.htm#DVHH-at-a-glance ( and click on "Membership" on the right to see how to support the DVHH, Inc.) Regards, Beth Tolfree DVHH Volunteer for Apatin http://www.dvhh.org/apatin/ -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Eileen Simcox Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 12:11 PM To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] History of Germany Hi Everyone, I find the conversation regarding the history fascinating. I joined DVHH several years ago, but I thought it was a yearly subscription? I've never gotten a yearly notice to "re-up my membership"? So, I've felt guilty about posting in the emails, as if I am eavesdropping? I would be happy to pay an annual fee, if that is what is required . . . Many of you found my paternal line in the Familienbuch Kernei in der Batschka (which I now own also). In my maternal line, three of my four grandmothers are descended from the Luther line, also German. I recently had my DNA tested from ancestry.com and my results which should have been "heavily German" were: Great Britain 72%, Italy/Greece 9%, Europe West 9%, Trace Regions 14%. I was so upset at the results! I am German!!! I am trying to find a way to either justify the results or negate them . . . I recently heard a story on NPR from a black man whose DNA indicated that he had 0% African. Has anyone else had this experience with DNA testing? Also, I am grateful for all of the recipes. My grandmother was a fantastic cook and I so regret not learning the family recipes from her. I find the recipes talked about here are what I remember eating at her house. I especially regret not learning how to pull the strudel dough for poppy seed strudel! :( Thank you, Eileen Gauder Simcox ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message