My grandfather AntonTreis,was from Hatzfeld,Zsombolya, near Temeswar. My granddmother Elizabeth Korb, was born in Moritzfeld. I copied this from somewhere: TREIS ~ TREECE ~ TRICE trice English (Kent). perhaps a variant of Treece. Altered spelling of German Treis, a topographical name for someone who lived by, or owned an uncultivated piece of land used as pasture, from middle-low German "dreisch" 'fallow land', or a habitational name from a place named with this word (in Hessian dialect - treis), in Hesse or on the Mosel River. Alternately, in some instances it may be from a short form of the personal name Andreas (see Andrew). See Castle Treis ruin in Treis, a village on page "Mosel Islands". ------------------------------ On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 9:59 AM EDT Eric wrote: >Hi Roger, > >Do you know which town in the Banat your Tries/Treis ancestors came from?  If they are from Traunau or a neighbouring town, I might have some information that would be helpful to you.  I don't have any ancestors named Tries myself, but my grandfather's uncle was Peter Triess (1867-1948) of Traunau, and a cousin sent me his own family tree 25 years ago, and it shows many of his Triess ancestors back to Erasmus Dries (born ca.1750 in Sausenheim, Germany). > >Eric Ruppert > > >________________________________ > From: ROGER WARD <hummrhaven@verizon.net> >To: danielhilaire@hotmail.com; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 3:21:12 PM >Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > >As little research I have done on the Treis/Tries family, the first clue I saw was on maps showing a twin city in the Lorraine area called Treis-Karden! >That part of my family migrated from the Banat to Buffalo, NY, into the Black Rock German section of that city, in 1907. So how, I wonder, did that last name come about? Were they related to the people who founded that town around the Moselle region? I should not jump to that until I begin to trace down more immediate ancestors, and the immigration info is all I have to start with. As so many ethnic Germans did, my mother and her siblings were proud Americans, speaking only German in my grandparent's home. >  Yet the name being Treis seems to be such a clue to their origin! > > > >------------------------------ >On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 1:16 PM EDT Daniel HILAIRE wrote: > >John, >Most of people coming from Alsace-Lorraine (in fact, Lorraine), didn't speak german when they arrived in Banat; they were speaking only french and same for their children; but, as the local administration, the army, sometimes the boys or the girls they married, were speaking german, they had to speak german and finally they lost their french language; so, 120-130 years after, when they arrived to US, they were speaking only german until... 120 years after, their descendants speak english and very few are able to speak german!Another point : Lorraine was not a part of France until 1766Last point : Germany, as a state, didn't exist before 1871; to obtain this, Bismark had to fight against Austria in 1866 (and again the french in 1870). So, there was no "german from Austria-Hungary". >But, as another member of the group explained very well a couple of days ago, it's too difficult for a Banater Schwaben to explain who he is really; so, let's people from Lorraine, speaking french, become... German from Austria. >Hope you'll pardon me for these points. >Bonne journée >Daniel Hilaire, Bordeaux > > > > From: jfschambre@comcast.net > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 08:53:15 -0700 > To: ljaspersen@gmail.com > CC: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > Linda:  It is possible your family came from Alsace-Lorraine France where so many German speaking people lived and migrated to the Banat.  I thought my family came from Germany too because, like yours, they always said they were German from Austria-Hungary.  Well, they were German and, once they moved to the Banat, they were Austro-Hungarians but before that, probably back in the late 1600's or throughout the 1700 and 1800's they may have lived in France.  It was quite a revelation to me. > > Interestingly, my family had relatives in Buffalo and Tonawanda too!  Their family names were Bishop and Stetzer and, unfortunately I haven't been able to find out much about them.  I remember them visiting us in Mansfield, Ohio (my home town) but we never went to New York to see them.  So many mysteries to uncover! > > Best of luck in your research! > > John F. Schambre > San Francisco, CA > > > > > > On Apr 24, 2014, at 5:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The heritage > > postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - trying to > > catch up after the busy Easter holiday. > > > > > > > > Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about > > little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they were > > too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and adapt to > > a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I also > > regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more sharing of > > oral history before my grandparents died. > > > > > > > > Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were born > > in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the 1700’s, > > according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF immigrant to > > Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed mother (my GGM) > > immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, in > > 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & 1910, > > and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany his wife > > and 4 remaining children. > > > > > > > > There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no > > Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister > > went to the German > > club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was distrust > > and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers fighting > > overseas. > > > > > > > > When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they > > called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from Austria-Hungary, > > never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge brick > > walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated from in > > the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the > > Stadervolumes. > > > > > > > > All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have been > > a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to learn, > > particularly from listers with family memories of what life was like in the > > Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. > > > > > > Thank You All, > > > > > > Linda > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr <jodymckimpharr@comcast > > .net> wrote: > > > > Tina,  -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a Schwowe. > > Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in the > > witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything.  Papa > > would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English "You are > > in America now!".  It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family research > > quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions after > > those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful and > > knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. > > > > This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have brick > > walls, post it onto the mail list. > > Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the > > entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know where > > you are at in your search. > > > > Thanks for sharing, > > > > Jody McKim Pharr > > Woodstock, GA - USA > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > > donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM > > To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > I have the same feeling as you Barb.  Although my father kept on telling > > us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and around > > his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. > > Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my > > father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch (Academic > > German). > > > > I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one with > > a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough with a > > need to dig and find out more. > > > > With kind regards, > > > > Tina Michel, > > Montreal > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> > > To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > > > I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps up. I > > am > > getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. So > > many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to most. I > > am > > not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. > > I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived in > > DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their kids > > (sometimes with their old country friends)  or maybe we weren't paying > > enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had  had the > > foresight  to ask or listen better. > > So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help let > > me > > know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. > > Thanks so much for all info and help! > > Barb D. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: SusanM > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM > > To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It has > > been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. I'm > > not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say thanks > > to > > people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. > > > > > > Susan M > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >                         > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message