Hi Linda, Some family books list the prior origins of the new settlers... also some of the church books. I love using the church books as I find more information there. I am not sure if these are available for Glogowatz. Rita Colorado and Jabuka > CC: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > From: ljaspersen@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 12:43:25 -0400 > To: schiwanore@msn.com > > Hi Rita, Their origins are listed in the Glogowatz FB back to the 1700's Information regarding country of birth then ends. Is it possible the early church books in Glogowatz would have origin information noted upon settlement there? Linda > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 24, 2014, at 12:32 PM, Rita Schiwanowitsch <schiwanore@msn.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Linda, > > > > > > > > My family were all Catholic also. I found their origins by looking at the church books. The first marriage entry after relocating usually listed where the Groom and Bride were from. > > > > > > > > Rita > > > > > >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > >> From: ljaspersen@gmail.com > >> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 12:19:07 -0400 > >> To: schiwanore@msn.com > >> > >> Thank you, Rita - I never considered that. Since they're all Catholic, I made a possibly erroneous guess that they originated from somewhere in southern Germany. > >> Linda > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Apr 24, 2014, at 11:56 AM, Rita Schiwanowitsch <schiwanore@msn.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> I know that part of my family came to the Banat from an area that was already in the Austro Hungarian Empire. Specifically from the Moravia, Hungarian, and Croatia regions. Since these people were traveling to an area within the same country, they did not need to register like those from Germany, for example. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Rita > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> From: evebrown@gmail.com > >>>> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 09:19:45 -0400 > >>>> To: ljaspersen@gmail.com > >>>> CC: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > >>>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > >>>> > >>>> Hello Linda, > >>>> > >>>> I don't know if this would be the case for your family or not, my father's > >>>> family also was not in the Stader books. I learned with time and help the > >>>> reason was because his family was brought in as Grenzers - border patrol. > >>>> My phrasing of this may be incorrect - I am by no means an expert and > >>>> please I someone knows the how and why of the Grenzers coming into the > >>>> Banat - please share here! > >>>> > >>>> Eve > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com>wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The heritage > >>>>> postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - trying to > >>>>> catch up after the busy Easter holiday. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about > >>>>> little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they were > >>>>> too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and adapt to > >>>>> a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I also > >>>>> regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more sharing of > >>>>> oral history before my grandparents died. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were born > >>>>> in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the 1700’s, > >>>>> according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF immigrant to > >>>>> Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed mother (my > >>>>> GGM) > >>>>> immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, in > >>>>> 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & 1910, > >>>>> and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany his wife > >>>>> and 4 remaining children. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no > >>>>> Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister > >>>>> went to the German > >>>>> club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was distrust > >>>>> and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers fighting > >>>>> overseas. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they > >>>>> called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from Austria-Hungary, > >>>>> never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge brick > >>>>> walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated from in > >>>>> the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the > >>>>> Stadervolumes. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have been > >>>>> a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to learn, > >>>>> particularly from listers with family memories of what life was like in the > >>>>> Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Thank You All, > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Linda > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr <jodymckimpharr@comcast > >>>>> .net> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a > >>>>> Schwowe. > >>>>>> Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in the > >>>>>> witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. Papa > >>>>>> would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English "You > >>>>> are > >>>>>> in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family research > >>>>>> quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions after > >>>>>> those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful and > >>>>>> knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have > >>>>> brick > >>>>>> walls, post it onto the mail list. > >>>>>> Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the > >>>>>> entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know > >>>>> where > >>>>>> you are at in your search. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks for sharing, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Jody McKim Pharr > >>>>>> Woodstock, GA - USA > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>> From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > >>>>>> donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel > >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM > >>>>>> To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on telling > >>>>>> us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and around > >>>>>> his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. > >>>>>> Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my > >>>>>> father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch (Academic > >>>>>> German). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one > >>>>> with > >>>>>> a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough with > >>>>> a > >>>>>> need to dig and find out more. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> With kind regards, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Tina Michel, > >>>>>> Montreal > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>> From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> > >>>>>> To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> > >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps up. > >>>>> I > >>>>>>> am > >>>>>>> getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. > >>>>> So > >>>>>>> many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to > >>>>> most. I > >>>>>>> am > >>>>>>> not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. > >>>>>>> I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived > >>>>> in > >>>>>>> DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their > >>>>> kids > >>>>>>> (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't paying > >>>>>>> enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had had > >>>>> the > >>>>>>> foresight to ask or listen better. > >>>>>>> So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help > >>>>> let > >>>>>>> me > >>>>>>> know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. > >>>>>>> Thanks so much for all info and help! > >>>>>>> Barb D. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>> From: SusanM > >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM > >>>>>>> To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It > >>>>> has > >>>>>>> been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. > >>>>> I'm > >>>>>>> not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say > >>>>> thanks > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>> people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Susan M > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>>>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Syrmia Regional Coordinator > >>>> http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Rita, Thank you for your tip about the helpfulness of Banat church books. Sorry it has taken me a few days to respond. I did look into it and learned the web site lists a Glogowatz church CD available for purchase! Linda New York On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Rita Schiwanowitsch <schiwanore@msn.com>wrote: > Hi Linda, > > > > Some family books list the prior origins of the new settlers... also some > of the church books. I love using the church books as I find more > information there. I am not sure if these are available for Glogowatz. > > > > Rita > > Colorado and Jabuka > > > > CC: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > > From: ljaspersen@gmail.com > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 12:43:25 -0400 > > To: schiwanore@msn.com > > > > Hi Rita, Their origins are listed in the Glogowatz FB back to the 1700's > Information regarding country of birth then ends. Is it possible the early > church books in Glogowatz would have origin information noted upon > settlement there? Linda > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Apr 24, 2014, at 12:32 PM, Rita Schiwanowitsch <schiwanore@msn.com> > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Linda, > > > > > > > > > > > > My family were all Catholic also. I found their origins by looking at > the church books. The first marriage entry after relocating usually listed > where the Groom and Bride were from. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rita > > > > > > > > >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > >> From: ljaspersen@gmail.com > > >> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 12:19:07 -0400 > > >> To: schiwanore@msn.com > > >> > > >> Thank you, Rita - I never considered that. Since they're all > Catholic, I made a possibly erroneous guess that they originated from > somewhere in southern Germany. > > >> Linda > > >> > > >> Sent from my iPhone > > >> > > >>> On Apr 24, 2014, at 11:56 AM, Rita Schiwanowitsch < > schiwanore@msn.com> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> I know that part of my family came to the Banat from an area that > was already in the Austro Hungarian Empire. Specifically from the Moravia, > Hungarian, and Croatia regions. Since these people were traveling to an > area within the same country, they did not need to register like those from > Germany, for example. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Rita > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> From: evebrown@gmail.com > > >>>> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 09:19:45 -0400 > > >>>> To: ljaspersen@gmail.com > > >>>> CC: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > >>>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > >>>> > > >>>> Hello Linda, > > >>>> > > >>>> I don't know if this would be the case for your family or not, my > father's > > >>>> family also was not in the Stader books. I learned with time and > help the > > >>>> reason was because his family was brought in as Grenzers - border > patrol. > > >>>> My phrasing of this may be incorrect - I am by no means an expert > and > > >>>> please I someone knows the how and why of the Grenzers coming into > the > > >>>> Banat - please share here! > > >>>> > > >>>> Eve > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen < > ljaspersen@gmail.com>wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The > heritage > > >>>>> postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - > trying to > > >>>>> catch up after the busy Easter holiday. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments > about > > >>>>> little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps > they were > > >>>>> too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and > adapt to > > >>>>> a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I > also > > >>>>> regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more > sharing of > > >>>>> oral history before my grandparents died. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents > were born > > >>>>> in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the > 1700’s, > > >>>>> according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF > immigrant to > > >>>>> Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed > mother (my > > >>>>> GGM) > > >>>>> immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New > York, in > > >>>>> 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & > 1910, > > >>>>> and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany > his wife > > >>>>> and 4 remaining children. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no > > >>>>> Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister > > >>>>> went to the German > > >>>>> club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was > distrust > > >>>>> and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers > fighting > > >>>>> overseas. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as > they > > >>>>> called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from > Austria-Hungary, > > >>>>> never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge > brick > > >>>>> walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated > from in > > >>>>> the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the > > >>>>> Stadervolumes. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site > have been > > >>>>> a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to > learn, > > >>>>> particularly from listers with family memories of what life was > like in the > > >>>>> Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Thank You All, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Linda > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr > <jodymckimpharr@comcast > > >>>>> .net> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a > > >>>>> Schwowe. > > >>>>>> Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were > in the > > >>>>>> witness protection program. They would barely talk about > anything. Papa > > >>>>>> would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak > English "You > > >>>>> are > > >>>>>> in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family > research > > >>>>>> quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my > questions after > > >>>>>> those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our > wonderful and > > >>>>>> knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you > have > > >>>>> brick > > >>>>>> walls, post it onto the mail list. > > >>>>>> Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back > to the > > >>>>>> entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can > know > > >>>>> where > > >>>>>> you are at in your search. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Thanks for sharing, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Jody McKim Pharr > > >>>>>> Woodstock, GA - USA > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>>>> From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > > >>>>>> donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina > Michel > > >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM > > >>>>>> To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on > telling > > >>>>>> us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and > around > > >>>>>> his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why > and how. > > >>>>>> Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked > my > > >>>>>> father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch > (Academic > > >>>>>> German). > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only > one > > >>>>> with > > >>>>>> a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure > enough with > > >>>>> a > > >>>>>> need to dig and find out more. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> With kind regards, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Tina Michel, > > >>>>>> Montreal > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>>>>> From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> > > >>>>>> To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; < > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> > > >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM > > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it > keeps up. > > >>>>> I > > >>>>>>> am > > >>>>>>> getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and > died. > > >>>>> So > > >>>>>>> many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to > > >>>>> most. I > > >>>>>>> am > > >>>>>>> not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. > > >>>>>>> I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who > lived > > >>>>> in > > >>>>>>> DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to > their > > >>>>> kids > > >>>>>>> (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't > paying > > >>>>>>> enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had > had > > >>>>> the > > >>>>>>> foresight to ask or listen better. > > >>>>>>> So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to > help > > >>>>> let > > >>>>>>> me > > >>>>>>> know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. > > >>>>>>> Thanks so much for all info and help! > > >>>>>>> Barb D. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>>>>> From: SusanM > > >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM > > >>>>>>> To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this > discussion. It > > >>>>> has > > >>>>>>> been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the > archives. > > >>>>> I'm > > >>>>>>> not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say > > >>>>> thanks > > >>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>> people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Susan M > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> ------------------------------- > > >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >>>>>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' > > >>>>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ------------------------------- > > >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >>>>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' > > >>>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> Syrmia Regional Coordinator > > >>>> http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ------------------------------- > > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ------------------------------- > > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >