Well! Interesting! Your TREIS are from Hatzfeld! And note that if you can trace your TREIS back to the first few on this page, one is from Luxembourg and one is >From the Sauerland! See Hatzfeld Familienbuch CD: 12452 TREIS, Georg Eltern siehe <12468> t 24.01.1833 in Hf 8 30.05.1853 in Hf 136 FENDLER, Barbara Eltern siehe <2368> t 05.01.1834 in Hf Kind(er) a) Martin t 06.07.1853 Hnr 136 + 27.07.1853 in Hnr 136 b) Mathias * 11.04.1854 Hnr 136 + 11.04.1854 in Hnr 136 c) Johann t 14.03.1855 Hf 35 d) Anna t 16.02.1856 Hf 136 e) Peter * 01.02.1858 Hf 327 f) Barbara * 14.11.1859 Hf 327 + 13.04.1860 in Hf 327 g) Katharina * 02.01.1861 Hf 327 + 10.01.1861 in Hf 327 h) Katharina * 09.07.1862 Hf + 11.07.1866 in Hf 327 i) Nikolaus * 10.06.1864 Hf 327 j) Johann * 30.05.1866 Hf k) Friedrich * 30.05.1866 Hf + 12.07.1866 in Hf 327 12453 TREIS, Johann Georg * um. .1717 in Obersalwey,Sauerland + 31.03.1767 in HF WK als Hans Georg Dreisisch von Obersalmay (Obersalwey/Kr Meschede). In d. BStgl Nr.20:ein Frauen- , ein Kinderbegräbnis 8 TREIS*, Anna Eva * um. .1720 in Westfalen + 01.04.1780 in Hf 12454 TREIS, Peter * um. .1733 + 28.04.1803 in Hf WK 58/34 als Peter Dreiß von Lamingen/Luxemburg (Lenningen/Distr.Grevenmacher). In d.BStgl.Nr.177 eine Taufe 8 TREIS*, Margaretha * um. .1737 in Lenningen + 05.05.1792 in Hf Kind(er) a) Elisabeth t 15.12.1766 HF + 18.03.1803 in Hf Ehe siehe <601> b) Johann t um. .1769 + 28.09.1820 in Hf Ehe siehe <12456> c) Katharina t 26.03.1771 Hf + 26.02.1772 in Hf d) Peter t 03.02.1773 Hf + 12.03.1773 in Hf e) Mathias t 12.03.1774 Hf + 19.03.1774 in Hf f) Michael t 20.03.1775 Hf + 30.03.1775 in Hf g) Peter t 07.04.1776 Hf + 28.08.1824 in Hf Ehe siehe <12458> h) Michael t 07.08.1778 Hf + 14.03.1821 in Hf Ehe siehe <12459> 12455 TREIS, Margaretha * um. .1737 in Lenningen,Grevenmach + 05.05.1792 in Hf 12456 TREIS, Johann Eltern siehe <12454> t um. .1769 + 28.09.1820 in Hf 8 07.02.1792 in Hf SCHIRA, Katharina * um. .1777 Kind(er) a) Nikolaus t 08.07.1796 Hf + 02.06.1816 in Hf b) Peter t 25.11.1798 Hf Ehe siehe <12461> c) Michael t 01.02.1801 Hf + 01.09.1836 in Hf Ehe siehe <12464> d) Jakob t 17.01.1803 Hf e) Mathias t 12.02.1804 Hf + 06.08.1862 in Hf 632 8 2.Ehe siehe <12467> f) Johann t 04.10.1806 Hf 8 2.Ehe siehe <12469> g) Anna Maria t 08.10.1808 Hf Ehe siehe <5651> h) Katharina t 11.02.1812 Hf + 15.01.1813 in Hf i) Nikolaus t 06.03.1814 Hf + 11.09.1831 in Hf j) Peter t 03.07.1816 Hf Ehe siehe <12472> k) Josef t 10.09.1818 Hf Ehe siehe <12473> 12457 TREIS, Michael * um. .1776 + 14.03.1821 in Hf 12458 TREIS, Peter Eltern siehe <12454> t 07.04.1776 in Hf + 28.08.1824 in Hf 8 22.11.1796 in Hf PFEIFFER, Anna Maria weitere Ehe(n) <2113> <2064> * um. .1776 Kind(er) a) Elisabeth t 26.11.1797 Hf b) Peter t 23.02.1800 Hf + 25.09.1800 in Hf c) Barbara t 03.05.1802 Hf d) Katharina t 24.10.1804 Hf + 14.02.1805 in Hf e) Michael t 04.04.1806 Hf f) Anna Maria t 18.07.1808 Hf g) Katharina t 03.08.1810 Hf + 12.02.1890 in Hf Ehe siehe <3227> h) Angela t 22.09.1812 Hf i) Barbara t 25.02.1815 Hf + 19.03.1816 in Hf j) Margaretha t 09.03.1817 Hf k) Nikolaus t 19.01.1818 Hf l) Katharina t 28.08.1819 Hf m) Peter t 07.02.1821 Hf n) Katharina t 14.01.1822 Hf o) Anna * um. .1823 + 15.10.1827 in Hf 12459 TREIS, Michael Eltern siehe <12454> t 07.08.1778 in Hf + 14.03.1821 in Hf 8 03.05.1803 in Hf ZENGER, Barbara Eltern siehe <13821> weitere Ehe(n) <7313> t 10.11.1784 in Hf Kind(er) a) Johann t 01.10.1804 Hf + 07.10.1806 in Hf b) Susanna t 31.12.1806 Hf + 12.08.1839 in Hf Ehe siehe <11603> c) Margaretha t 22.10.1808 Hf + 27.03.1849 in Hf Ehe siehe <8051> d) Barbara t 23.03.1811 Hf Ehe siehe <8460> e) Anna Maria t 28.07.1813 Hf Ehe siehe <406> f) Katharina t 01.01.1816 Hf Ehe siehe <13374> g) Elisabeth t 06.07.1818 Hf 12460 TREIS, Johann * um. .1788 + 20.11.1806 in Hf 12461 TREIS, Peter Eltern siehe <12456> t 25.11.1798 in Hf 8 24.10.1815 in Hf RODEN (RODE), Anna Maria Eltern siehe <9595> * 24.10.1795 Kind(er) a) Magdalena t 27.07.1825 Hf b) Anna Maria t 10.10.1827 Hf c) Mathias t 28.08.1829 Hf + 31.10.1832 in Hf d) Franz t 30.11.1831 Hf + 29.12.1831 in Hf e) Johann t 16.04.1833 Ehe siehe <12475> 12462 TREIS, Peter * um. .1800 lebt(e) in Hf 21 8 10.02.1828 in Hf weitere Ehe(n) <12463> MICHELS, Susanna Eltern siehe <7537> weitere Ehe(n) <7319> t 09.07.1801 in Hf + 27.11.1841 in Hf Kind(er) a) Peter t 19.09.1830 Hf b) Nikolaus t 19.09.1830 Hf c) Katharina t 04.10.1832 Hf + 12.10.1832 in Hf d) Magdalena t 04.10.1832 Hf + 09.10.1832 in Hf e) Johann t 21.03.1834 Hf f) Anton * 23.07.1837 Hf 12463 TREIS, Peter * um. .1800 lebt(e) in Hf 21 28 07.02.1842 in Hf weitere Ehe(n) <12462> ACKERMANN, Katharina * um. .1818 in Deutsch-Zerne Kind(er) 1) Mathias * 09.11.1842 Hf 2) Magdalena * 18.06.1844 Hf + 16.06.1845 in Hf 3) Susanna t 10.02.1850 Hf 4) Josef * 20.05.1852 Hf 5) Johann * 27.08.1854 Hnr 29 12464 TREIS, Michael Eltern siehe <12456> t 01.02.1801 in Hf + 01.09.1836 in Hf 8 26.11.1826 in Hf SCHNUR, Anna * um. .1806 Kind(er) a) Barbara t 10.09.1827 Hf Ehe siehe <11869> b) Anton t 17.12.1828 Hf + 30.06.1849 in Hf c) Johann t 18.11.1830 Hf + 13.01.1831 in Hf d) Philipp t 23.05.1833 Hf Ehe siehe <12476> e) Anna Maria t 07.01.1835 Hf Ehe siehe <7166> f) Josef t 31.10.1836 Hf 12465 TREIS, Susanna * um. .1803 + 26.08.1806 in Hf 12466 TREIS (TREIß), Mathias Eltern siehe <12456> t 12.02.1804 in Hf + 06.08.1862 in Hf 632 8 22.09.1822 in Hf weitere Ehe(n) <12467> NEIDENBACH, Magdalena Eltern siehe <8096> t 16.01.1804 in Hf + 24.05.1850 in Hf 12467 TREIS (TREIß), Mathias Eltern siehe <12456> t 12.02.1804 in Hf + 06.08.1862 in Hf 632 28 12.08.1851 in Hf weitere Ehe(n) <12466> MILLBACH (ROSENHOFER), Margarethe Wwe. * um. .1804 in Lenauheim + 06.08.1862 in Hf 632 vorherige Ehe Rosenhofer? 12468 TREIS, Johann Eltern siehe <12456> t 04.10.1806 in Hf Bauer 8 30.05.1829 in Hf weitere Ehe(n) <12469> KAUFMANN, Barbara Eltern siehe <5003> t 10.09.1810 in Hf + 14.09.1849 in Hf Kind(er) a) Nikolaus t 14.03.1830 Hf b) Magdalena t 17.10.1831 Hf + 21.10.1831 in Hf c) Georg t 24.01.1833 Hf Ehe siehe <12452> d) Johann t 05.04.1835 Hf + 30.08.1841 in Hf e) Katharina t 16.05.1837 Hf Ehe siehe <6129> f) Nikolaus t 03.08.1839 Hf g) Peter * 16.02.1842 Hf + 24.11.1865 in Hf 204 Ehe siehe <12479> h) Anna * 10.02.1844 Hf + 23.11.1930 in Hf Ehe siehe <7616> i) Martin t 09.04.1846 Hf Ehe siehe <12480> j) Eva t 04.03.1848 Hf 12469 TREIS, Johann Eltern siehe <12456> t 04.10.1806 in Hf Bauer 28 24.04.1853 in Hf weitere Ehe(n) <12468> MARTIN, Margarethe Wwe. * um. .1805 vorherige Ehe unbekannt,Burghardt? 12470 TREIS, Anna t um. .1811 in Hf Kind(er) a) Nikolaus t 14.01.1829 Hf + 15.09.1830 in Hf 12471 TREIS, Anna Maria + um. .1812 in Hf + 15.01.1813 in Hf 12472 TREIS, Peter Eltern siehe <12456> t 03.07.1816 in Hf 8 18.01.1842 in Hf AUGENSTEIN, Katharina Eltern siehe <247> weitere Ehe(n) <8432> t 02.04.1810 in Hf 12473 TREIS, Josef Eltern siehe <12456> t 10.09.1818 in Hf Bauer 8 29.01.1839 in Hf FRANZEN, Gertrud Eltern siehe <2688> t 24.09.1818 in Hf + 10.09.1866 in Hf 712 Kind(er) a) Margaretha * 09.02.1841 Hf Ehe siehe <411> b) Magdalena * 20.06.1843 Hf Ehe siehe <639> c) Mathias t 25.12.1845 Hf + 14.07.1849 in Hf d) Katharina t 03.04.1848 Hf e) Anna t 09.07.1850 Hf f) Mathias t 30.11.1852 Hnr 413 g) Mathias * 22.07.1854 Hf 413 + 10.08.1855 in Hf 413 h) Josef t 26.05.1857 Hf 413 12474 TREIS (TREIs), Peter * um. .1826 Bauer 8 KUNSTABLER, Katharina t um. .1826 Kind(er) a) Michael t 08.11.1847 Hf 12475 TREIS, Johann Eltern siehe <12461> t 16.04.1833 8 18.11.1860 in Hf 80 MARTIN, Anna Maria Eltern siehe <7047> t 15.08.1837 in Hf Kind(er) a) Magdalene * 08.12.1861 Hf 80 b) Elisabeth * 02.12.1863 Hf 11 c) Johann * 14.02.1866 Hf 12476 TREIS, Philipp Eltern siehe <12464> t 23.05.1833 in Hf 8 27.11.1860 in Hf WEBER, Anna Juliana Eltern siehe <13062> t 10.06.1838 in Hf + 06.11.1864 in Hf 155 Kind(er) a) Katharina Martha * 13.10.1861 Hf 487 b) Juliana * 25.06.1863 Hf 478 + 25.06.1863 in Hf 478 12477 TREIS, Johann * um. .1839 8 HABELKA, Thekla * um. .1840 Kind(er) a) Franz * 21.11.1861 Hf 824 b) Stefan * um. .1863 + 06.09.1863 in Hf 12478 TREIS, Philipp * um. .1842 8 HANEK, Theresia * um. .1842 12479 TREIS, Peter Eltern siehe <12468> * 16.02.1842 in Hf + 24.11.1865 in Hf 204 8 02.03.1862 in Hf STEPHAN, Barbara Eltern siehe <11563> weitere Ehe(n) <12480> * 04.12.1842 in Hf Kind(er) a) Johann H 09.09.1862 Hf 204 b) Philipp * 09.05.1866 Hf 12480 TREIS, Martin Eltern siehe <12468> t 09.04.1846 in Hf 8 27.09.1866 in Hf STEPHAN, Barbara Eltern siehe <11563> weitere Ehe(n) <12479> * 04.12.1842 in Hf 12481 TREIS, Barbara * um. .1847 Kind(er) a) Franz * 06.05.1867 Hf 12482 TREIS, Johann * um. .1812 + 15.01.1813 in Hf Fran Matkovich -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ROGER WARD Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 10:37 AM To: er076@yahoo.ca Cc: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe My grandfather AntonTreis,was from Hatzfeld,Zsombolya, near Temeswar. My granddmother Elizabeth Korb, was born in Moritzfeld. I copied this from somewhere: TREIS ~ TREECE ~ TRICE trice English (Kent). perhaps a variant of Treece. Altered spelling of German Treis, a topographical name for someone who lived by, or owned an uncultivated piece of land used as pasture, from middle-low German "dreisch" 'fallow land', or a habitational name from a place named with this word (in Hessian dialect - treis), in Hesse or on the Mosel River. Alternately, in some instances it may be from a short form of the personal name Andreas (see Andrew). See Castle Treis ruin in Treis, a village on page "Mosel Islands". ------------------------------ On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 9:59 AM EDT Eric wrote: >Hi Roger, > >Do you know which town in the Banat your Tries/Treis ancestors came from? If they are from Traunau or a neighbouring town, I might have some information that would be helpful to you. I don't have any ancestors named Tries myself, but my grandfather's uncle was Peter Triess (1867-1948) of Traunau, and a cousin sent me his own family tree 25 years ago, and it shows many of his Triess ancestors back to Erasmus Dries (born ca.1750 in Sausenheim, Germany). > >Eric Ruppert > > >________________________________ > From: ROGER WARD <hummrhaven@verizon.net> >To: danielhilaire@hotmail.com; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 3:21:12 PM >Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > >As little research I have done on the Treis/Tries family, the first clue I saw was on maps showing a twin city in the Lorraine area called Treis-Karden! >That part of my family migrated from the Banat to Buffalo, NY, into the Black Rock German section of that city, in 1907. So how, I wonder, did that last name come about? Were they related to the people who founded that town around the Moselle region? I should not jump to that until I begin to trace down more immediate ancestors, and the immigration info is all I have to start with. As so many ethnic Germans did, my mother and her siblings were proud Americans, speaking only German in my grandparent's home. > Yet the name being Treis seems to be such a clue to their origin! > > > >------------------------------ >On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 1:16 PM EDT Daniel HILAIRE wrote: > >John, >Most of people coming from Alsace-Lorraine (in fact, Lorraine), didn't speak german when they arrived in Banat; they were speaking only french and same for their children; but, as the local administration, the army, sometimes the boys or the girls they married, were speaking german, they had to speak german and finally they lost their french language; so, 120-130 years after, when they arrived to US, they were speaking only german until... 120 years after, their descendants speak english and very few are able to speak german!Another point : Lorraine was not a part of France until 1766Last point : Germany, as a state, didn't exist before 1871; to obtain this, Bismark had to fight against Austria in 1866 (and again the french in 1870). So, there was no "german from Austria-Hungary". >But, as another member of the group explained very well a couple of days ago, it's too difficult for a Banater Schwaben to explain who he is really; so, let's people from Lorraine, speaking french, become... German from Austria. >Hope you'll pardon me for these points. >Bonne journée >Daniel Hilaire, Bordeaux > > > > From: jfschambre@comcast.net > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 08:53:15 -0700 > To: ljaspersen@gmail.com > CC: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > Linda: It is possible your family came from Alsace-Lorraine France where so many German speaking people lived and migrated to the Banat. I thought my family came from Germany too because, like yours, they always said they were German from Austria-Hungary. Well, they were German and, once they moved to the Banat, they were Austro-Hungarians but before that, probably back in the late 1600's or throughout the 1700 and 1800's they may have lived in France. It was quite a revelation to me. > > Interestingly, my family had relatives in Buffalo and Tonawanda too! Their family names were Bishop and Stetzer and, unfortunately I haven't been able to find out much about them. I remember them visiting us in Mansfield, Ohio (my home town) but we never went to New York to see them. So many mysteries to uncover! > > Best of luck in your research! > > John F. Schambre > San Francisco, CA > > > > > > On Apr 24, 2014, at 5:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The > > heritage postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them > > all - trying to catch up after the busy Easter holiday. > > > > > > > > Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments > > about little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. > > Perhaps they were too busy struggling to support their families, > > learn English, and adapt to a radically new life in their adopted > > country. And in my case... I also regret not asking the questions > > that might have triggered more sharing of oral history before my grandparents died. > > > > > > > > Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were > > born in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to > > the 1700’s, according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. > > My GF immigrant to Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; > > his widowed mother (my GGM) immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM > > immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, in 1914, age 12 years; her father > > had previously immigrated in 1906 & 1910, and returned to Glogowatz > > for the last time in 1914 to accompany his wife and 4 remaining children. > > > > > > > > There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no > > Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister > > went to the German club but that it closed during WWII and never > > reopened. There was distrust and fear at the time; many of the > > neighbors’ sons were soldiers fighting overseas. > > > > > > > > When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as > > they called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from > > Austria-Hungary, never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. > > One of my huge brick walls is trying to learn where in Germany my > > ancestors emigrated from in the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t > > been able to find them in the Stadervolumes. > > > > > > > > All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site > > have been a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something > > new to learn, particularly from listers with family memories of what > > life was like in the Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. > > > > > > Thank You All, > > > > > > Linda > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr > > <jodymckimpharr@comcast .net> wrote: > > > > Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a Schwowe. > > Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in > > the witness protection program. They would barely talk about > > anything. Papa would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to > > speak English "You are in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when > > I started my family research quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all > > the answers to my questions after those who had the answers had > > passed away. Because of our wonderful and knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. > > > > This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have > > brick walls, post it onto the mail list. > > Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to > > the entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can > > know where you are at in your search. > > > > Thanks for sharing, > > > > Jody McKim Pharr > > Woodstock, GA - USA > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > > donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina > > Michel > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM > > To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on > > telling us about the good eating and all the things that were done > > in and around his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. > > Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my > > father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch > > (Academic German). > > > > I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only > > one with a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and > > sure enough with a need to dig and find out more. > > > > With kind regards, > > > > Tina Michel, > > Montreal > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> > > To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; > > <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > > > I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps > > up. I am getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived > > and died. So many question to go and I will probably never have the > > answers to most. I am not even sure how to know if we are > > Donauschwaben or not. > > I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who > > lived in DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even > > to their kids (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe > > we weren't paying enough attention to remember. All I can tell you > > is I wish I had had the foresight to ask or listen better. > > So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to > > help let me know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. > > Thanks so much for all info and help! > > Barb D. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: SusanM > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM > > To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It > > has been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the > > archives. I'm not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I > > wanted to say thanks to people who have written on this thread. I'm > > fascinated. > > > > > > Susan M > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > > message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message