There is another plausible explanation for (especially men) speaking "high German" in their villages. It is that they were actually speaking "city German". In 1910 Temeswar the Germans, with 34,644 out of 72,555 inhabitants, were the largest ethnic group. Just like every village had specific dialect, the Germans of cities like Temeswar had their own dialect. They thought of it as the "real German", and it may have been a touch closer to High German, but it was in fact a "Viennese dialect", a form of German resembling that spoken in a Vienna. When the Banat was a Habsburg Kronprovinz, from the date of its liberation from the Ottoman Turks until 1867, Temeswar was its capital. Much of the administrative personnel naturally came to Temeswar from Vienna, and brought with them their "Viennese" dialect. This form of German persisted, with local modifications, even to the present. The villagers called it "herrisch" and the burghers of Temeswar had some sense of pride (maybe even a superiority complex) over the villagers who spoke "schwowisch". Often young men from the villages spent some time, sometimes years, in the city, apprenticing for trades like barbers or similar ones. These boys or young men picked up the German spoken in the city and carried it back with when they returned to their villages. They were comfortable with it and often found it hard to give it up. And sometimes they may even have used it to demonstrate that they had one over their spouses. I am aware of at least one book dealing with the Stadtdialekt von Temeswar (City dialect of T.). Nick Tullius -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rita Schiwanowitsch Sent: 28-Apr-14 21:36 To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] P.S. to Camps &Armies Hello Linda, You post pleased me very much. My mother and oma did schwabel al little bit... but they spoke a relaxed version of "high German".... and from what Mom says, they did so at home also. They knew the dialect in the town... but did not always use it. Also, schwabish varied from town to town.... mostly depending on what regions the original settlers were from. There is a neighboring town to my mothers and, she says, they could barely understand them. Rita Colorado and Jabuka > From: famline@embarqmail.com > To: jfschambre@comcast.net; bbd2424@gmail.com > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 21:26:09 -0400 > CC: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] P.S. to Camps &Armies > > I had this situation in my grandparents' home. Grandpa spoke "high German" > even as a DS and grandma....didn't. So even in later years they would > banter about what the correct name of something was. And of course, > grandma who could show her temper, would get on Grandpa for his > 'High-German ways"..... > He was from Kowatschi (Kovasci) and she was born in GrossJetscha, > although grew up in Eichental (Gyulatelep). > Linda > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Schambre" <jfschambre@comcast.net> > To: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> > Cc: <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 4:54 PM > Subject: Re: [DVHH] P.S. to Camps &Armies > > > >I am also very interesting in knowing what 'swabish' dialect was > >spoken in Weisenhaid and Blumenthal. My grandfather always said "We > >speak Swabish German so many who speak high german do not understand > >us", and it was true! I had friends who's parents were German and > >spoke high German and when they got together with my grandparents > >they had to speak English! :-) > > > > Good luck. Hope you can find an answer to your question. > > > > John > > > > John F. Schambre > > San Francisco, CA > > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 2014, at 1:46 PM, Barb D <bbd2424@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> I forgot to ask this really dumb question ,but how do I know if my > >> families are really donauschwaben and what dialect thy would have spoke. > >> There have been so many dialects refered to and I would like to > >> know if there is a way to tell. > >> Sorry I have so many questions, but I am a very curious person and > >> love quests. > >> Thanks again, > >> Barb D. > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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This is such an interesting thread. In our home it was called Kaiser Deutsch. I don't know why. Regards Terry Begin forwarded message: From: "Nick Tullius" <ntullius@rogers.com> Date: April 29, 2014 3:10:04 PM EDT To: <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DVHH] P.S. to Camps &Armies - City German vs Village German There is another plausible explanation for (especially men) speaking "high German" in their villages. It is that they were actually speaking "city German". In 1910 Temeswar the Germans, with 34,644 out of 72,555 inhabitants, were the largest ethnic group. Just like every village had specific dialect, the Germans of cities like Temeswar had their own dialect. They thought of it as the "real German", and it may have been a touch closer to High German, but it was in fact a "Viennese dialect", a form of German resembling that spoken in a Vienna. When the Banat was a Habsburg Kronprovinz, from the date of its liberation from the Ottoman Turks until 1867, Temeswar was its capital. Much of the administrative personnel naturally came to Temeswar from Vienna, and brought with them their "Viennese" dialect. This form of German persisted, with local modifications, even to the present. The villagers called it "herrisch" and the burghers of Temeswar had some sense of pride (maybe even a superiority complex) over the villagers who spoke "schwowisch". Often young men from the villages spent some time, sometimes years, in the city, apprenticing for trades like barbers or similar ones. These boys or young men picked up the German spoken in the city and carried it back with when they returned to their villages. They were comfortable with it and often found it hard to give it up. And sometimes they may even have used it to demonstrate that they had one over their spouses. I am aware of at least one book dealing with the Stadtdialekt von Temeswar (City dialect of T.). Nick Tullius -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rita Schiwanowitsch Sent: 28-Apr-14 21:36 To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] P.S. to Camps &Armies Hello Linda, You post pleased me very much. My mother and oma did schwabel al little bit... but they spoke a relaxed version of "high German".... and from what Mom says, they did so at home also. They knew the dialect in the town... but did not always use it. Also, schwabish varied from town to town.... mostly depending on what regions the original settlers were from. There is a neighboring town to my mothers and, she says, they could barely understand them. Rita Colorado and Jabuka > From: famline@embarqmail.com > To: jfschambre@comcast.net; bbd2424@gmail.com > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 21:26:09 -0400 > CC: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] P.S. to Camps &Armies > > I had this situation in my grandparents' home. Grandpa spoke "high German" > even as a DS and grandma....didn't. So even in later years they would > banter about what the correct name of something was. And of course, > grandma who could show her temper, would get on Grandpa for his > 'High-German ways"..... > He was from Kowatschi (Kovasci) and she was born in GrossJetscha, > although grew up in Eichental (Gyulatelep). > Linda > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Schambre" <jfschambre@comcast.net> > To: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> > Cc: <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 4:54 PM > Subject: Re: [DVHH] P.S. to Camps &Armies > > >> I am also very interesting in knowing what 'swabish' dialect was >> spoken in Weisenhaid and Blumenthal. My grandfather always said "We >> speak Swabish German so many who speak high german do not understand >> us", and it was true! I had friends who's parents were German and >> spoke high German and when they got together with my grandparents >> they had to speak English! :-) >> >> Good luck. Hope you can find an answer to your question. >> >> John >> >> John F. Schambre >> San Francisco, CA >> >> >> >> On Apr 27, 2014, at 1:46 PM, Barb D <bbd2424@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I forgot to ask this really dumb question ,but how do I know if my >>> families are really donauschwaben and what dialect thy would have spoke. >>> There have been so many dialects refered to and I would like to >>> know if there is a way to tell. >>> Sorry I have so many questions, but I am a very curious person and >>> love quests. >>> Thanks again, >>> Barb D. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>> 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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