Hi John, Thank you for your response! Sorry it has taken me a few days to respond to you. I wanted to wait until the weekend when I had more time to look into the Bishop surname, which I knew was also on my tree. The Stetzer surname is not on my tree (at least not yet). Mary Margaret Bishop is the wife of my 1st cousin 1x removed and married Howard Raymond Sattelberg, whose mother is my paternal grand aunt. The Sattelberg's are from Prussia. I have not yet discovered where the Bishop family originated, but know that Mary and her parents were all born in New York. I checked the 1940 U.S. Federal Census; it shows Mary Bishop, age 17, living in North Tonawanda with her parents (Edward Bishop & Susan NN) & 3 sisters. Please let me know if you think these Bishops are your missing relatives in North Tonawanda. Perhaps we’re distant cousins?! Good luck with your research, too! Linda Jaspersen New York, NY On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 11:53 AM, John Schambre <jfschambre@comcast.net>wrote: > Linda: It is possible your family came from Alsace-Lorraine France where > so many German speaking people lived and migrated to the Banat. I thought > my family came from Germany too because, like yours, they always said they > were German from Austria-Hungary. Well, they were German and, once they > moved to the Banat, they were Austro-Hungarians but before that, probably > back in the late 1600's or throughout the 1700 and 1800's they may have > lived in France. It was quite a revelation to me. > > Interestingly, my family had relatives in Buffalo and Tonawanda too! > Their family names were Bishop and Stetzer and, unfortunately I haven't > been able to find out much about them. I remember them visiting us in > Mansfield, Ohio (my home town) but we never went to New York to see them. > So many mysteries to uncover! > > Best of luck in your research! > > John F. Schambre > San Francisco, CA > > > > > > On Apr 24, 2014, at 5:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com> wrote: > > Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The heritage > postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - trying to > catch up after the busy Easter holiday. > > > > Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about > little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they were > too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and adapt to > a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I also > regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more sharing of > oral history before my grandparents died. > > > > Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were born > in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the 1700’s, > according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF immigrant to > Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed mother (my > GGM) > immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, in > 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & 1910, > and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany his wife > and 4 remaining children. > > > > There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no > Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister > > went to the German > club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was distrust > and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers fighting > overseas. > > > > When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they > called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from Austria-Hungary, > never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge brick > walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated from in > the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the > Stadervolumes. > > > > All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have been > a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to learn, > particularly from listers with family memories of what life was like in the > Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. > > > Thank You All, > > > Linda > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr <jodymckimpharr@comcast > .net> wrote: > > Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a Schwowe. > Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in the > witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. Papa > would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English "You are > in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family research > quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions after > those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful and > knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. > > This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have brick > walls, post it onto the mail list. > Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the > entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know where > you are at in your search. > > Thanks for sharing, > > Jody McKim Pharr > Woodstock, GA - USA > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM > To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on telling > us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and around > his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. > Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my > father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch (Academic > German). > > I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one with > a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough with a > need to dig and find out more. > > With kind regards, > > Tina Michel, > Montreal > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> > To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps up. I > am > getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. So > many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to most. I > am > not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. > I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived in > DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their kids > (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't paying > enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had had the > foresight to ask or listen better. > So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help let > me > know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. > Thanks so much for all info and help! > Barb D. > > -----Original Message----- > From: SusanM > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM > To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It has > been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. I'm > not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say thanks > to > people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. > > > Susan M > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi Linda: Thanks much for the info on your connection to the Bishops! I'm not sure yet if the ones you provided are the ones I'm looking for so I will be contacting my two aunts in Ohio and Florida who were more familiar with both of those names/families. Once I hear back from them, I'll let you know what I find. I do now recall that one of the Bishops was Elizabeth "Lizzy" Bishop -- this, of course, was her married name so I'm thinking my relation is through her - possibly a Chambre??? I also recall one of my aunts saying that one of these families owned apartments in either Buffalo or Tanawanda.... I'll get more info and get back to you soon. All the best... John John F. Schambre 75 Pierce St., Apt. B San Francisco, CA 94117 415-552-5229 jfschambre@comcast.net On Apr 26, 2014, at 8:55 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi John, > > > Thank you for your response! Sorry it has taken me a few days to respond to you. I wanted to wait until the weekend when I had more time to look into the Bishop surname, which I knew was also on my tree. The Stetzer surname is not on my tree (at least not yet). > > > Mary Margaret Bishop is the wife of my 1st cousin 1x removed and married Howard Raymond Sattelberg, whose mother is my paternal grand aunt. The Sattelberg's are from Prussia. I have not yet discovered where the Bishop family originated, but know that Mary and her parents were all born in New York. I checked the 1940 U.S. Federal Census; it shows Mary Bishop, age 17, living in North Tonawanda with her parents (Edward Bishop & Susan NN) & 3 sisters. Please let me know if you think these Bishops are your missing relatives in North Tonawanda. Perhaps we’re distant cousins?! > > > Good luck with your research, too! > > > > Linda Jaspersen > > New York, NY > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 11:53 AM, John Schambre <jfschambre@comcast.net> wrote: > Linda: It is possible your family came from Alsace-Lorraine France where so many German speaking people lived and migrated to the Banat. I thought my family came from Germany too because, like yours, they always said they were German from Austria-Hungary. Well, they were German and, once they moved to the Banat, they were Austro-Hungarians but before that, probably back in the late 1600's or throughout the 1700 and 1800's they may have lived in France. It was quite a revelation to me. > > Interestingly, my family had relatives in Buffalo and Tonawanda too! Their family names were Bishop and Stetzer and, unfortunately I haven't been able to find out much about them. I remember them visiting us in Mansfield, Ohio (my home town) but we never went to New York to see them. So many mysteries to uncover! > > Best of luck in your research! > > John F. Schambre > San Francisco, CA > > > > > > On Apr 24, 2014, at 5:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The heritage >> postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - trying to >> catch up after the busy Easter holiday. >> >> >> >> Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about >> little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they were >> too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and adapt to >> a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I also >> regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more sharing of >> oral history before my grandparents died. >> >> >> >> Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were born >> in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the 1700’s, >> according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF immigrant to >> Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed mother (my GGM) >> immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, in >> 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & 1910, >> and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany his wife >> and 4 remaining children. >> >> >> >> There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no >> Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister >> >> went to the German >> club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was distrust >> and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers fighting >> overseas. >> >> >> >> When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they >> called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from Austria-Hungary, >> never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge brick >> walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated from in >> the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the >> Stadervolumes. >> >> >> >> All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have been >> a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to learn, >> particularly from listers with family memories of what life was like in the >> Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. >> >> >> Thank You All, >> >> >> Linda >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr <jodymckimpharr@comcast >> .net> wrote: >> >>> Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a Schwowe. >>> Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in the >>> witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. Papa >>> would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English "You are >>> in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family research >>> quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions after >>> those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful and >>> knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. >>> >>> This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have brick >>> walls, post it onto the mail list. >>> Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the >>> entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know where >>> you are at in your search. >>> >>> Thanks for sharing, >>> >>> Jody McKim Pharr >>> Woodstock, GA - USA >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: >>> donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM >>> To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >>> >>> I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on telling >>> us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and around >>> his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. >>> Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my >>> father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch (Academic >>> German). >>> >>> I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one with >>> a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough with a >>> need to dig and find out more. >>> >>> With kind regards, >>> >>> Tina Michel, >>> Montreal >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> >>> To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM >>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >>> >>> >>>> I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps up. I >>>> am >>>> getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. So >>>> many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to most. I >>>> am >>>> not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. >>>> I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived in >>>> DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their kids >>>> (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't paying >>>> enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had had the >>>> foresight to ask or listen better. >>>> So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help let >>>> me >>>> know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. >>>> Thanks so much for all info and help! >>>> Barb D. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: SusanM >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM >>>> To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >>>> >>>> I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It has >>>> been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. I'm >>>> not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say thanks >>>> to >>>> people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. >>>> >>>> >>>> Susan M >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >