Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a Schwowe. Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in the witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. Papa would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English "You are in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family research quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions after those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful and knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have brick walls, post it onto the mail list. Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know where you are at in your search. Thanks for sharing, Jody McKim Pharr Woodstock, GA - USA -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on telling us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and around his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch (Academic German). I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one with a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough with a need to dig and find out more. With kind regards, Tina Michel, Montreal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps up. I >am > getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. So > many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to most. I > am > not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. > I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived in > DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their kids > (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't paying > enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had had the > foresight to ask or listen better. > So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help let > me > know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. > Thanks so much for all info and help! > Barb D. > > -----Original Message----- > From: SusanM > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM > To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It has > been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. I'm > not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say thanks > to > people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. > > > Susan M

Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The heritage postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - trying to catch up after the busy Easter holiday. Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they were too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and adapt to a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I also regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more sharing of oral history before my grandparents died. Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were born in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the 1700’s, according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF immigrant to Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed mother (my GGM) immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, in 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & 1910, and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany his wife and 4 remaining children. There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister went to the German club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was distrust and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers fighting overseas. When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from Austria-Hungary, never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge brick walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated from in the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the Stadervolumes. All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have been a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to learn, particularly from listers with family memories of what life was like in the Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. Thank You All, Linda On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr <jodymckimpharr@comcast .net> wrote: > Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a Schwowe. > Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in the > witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. Papa > would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English "You are > in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family research > quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions after > those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful and > knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. > > This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have brick > walls, post it onto the mail list. > Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the > entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know where > you are at in your search. > > Thanks for sharing, > > Jody McKim Pharr > Woodstock, GA - USA > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM > To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on telling > us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and around > his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. > Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my > father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch (Academic > German). > > I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one with > a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough with a > need to dig and find out more. > > With kind regards, > > Tina Michel, > Montreal > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> > To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > >I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps up. I > >am > > getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. So > > many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to most. I > > am > > not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. > > I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived in > > DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their kids > > (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't paying > > enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had had the > > foresight to ask or listen better. > > So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help let > > me > > know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. > > Thanks so much for all info and help! > > Barb D. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: SusanM > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM > > To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It has > > been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. I'm > > not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say thanks > > to > > people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. > > > > > > Susan M > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Linda: It is possible your family came from Alsace-Lorraine France where so many German speaking people lived and migrated to the Banat. I thought my family came from Germany too because, like yours, they always said they were German from Austria-Hungary. Well, they were German and, once they moved to the Banat, they were Austro-Hungarians but before that, probably back in the late 1600's or throughout the 1700 and 1800's they may have lived in France. It was quite a revelation to me. Interestingly, my family had relatives in Buffalo and Tonawanda too! Their family names were Bishop and Stetzer and, unfortunately I haven't been able to find out much about them. I remember them visiting us in Mansfield, Ohio (my home town) but we never went to New York to see them. So many mysteries to uncover! Best of luck in your research! John F. Schambre San Francisco, CA On Apr 24, 2014, at 5:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com> wrote: > Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The heritage > postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - trying to > catch up after the busy Easter holiday. > > > > Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about > little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they were > too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and adapt to > a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I also > regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more sharing of > oral history before my grandparents died. > > > > Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were born > in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the 1700’s, > according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF immigrant to > Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed mother (my GGM) > immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, in > 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & 1910, > and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany his wife > and 4 remaining children. > > > > There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no > Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister > went to the German > club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was distrust > and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers fighting > overseas. > > > > When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they > called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from Austria-Hungary, > never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge brick > walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated from in > the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the > Stadervolumes. > > > > All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have been > a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to learn, > particularly from listers with family memories of what life was like in the > Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. > > > Thank You All, > > > Linda > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr <jodymckimpharr@comcast > .net> wrote: > >> Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a Schwowe. >> Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in the >> witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. Papa >> would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English "You are >> in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family research >> quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions after >> those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful and >> knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. >> >> This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have brick >> walls, post it onto the mail list. >> Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the >> entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know where >> you are at in your search. >> >> Thanks for sharing, >> >> Jody McKim Pharr >> Woodstock, GA - USA >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: >> donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM >> To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >> >> I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on telling >> us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and around >> his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. >> Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my >> father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch (Academic >> German). >> >> I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one with >> a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough with a >> need to dig and find out more. >> >> With kind regards, >> >> Tina Michel, >> Montreal >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> >> To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >> >> >>> I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps up. I >>> am >>> getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. So >>> many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to most. I >>> am >>> not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. >>> I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived in >>> DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their kids >>> (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't paying >>> enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had had the >>> foresight to ask or listen better. >>> So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help let >>> me >>> know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. >>> Thanks so much for all info and help! >>> Barb D. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: SusanM >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM >>> To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >>> >>> I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It has >>> been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. I'm >>> not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say thanks >>> to >>> people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. >>> >>> >>> Susan M >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Linda and John, Welcome to surprises! My father was born in Neudorf bei Vinkovci in 1913. At that time, it belonged already to Syrmia, but when my ancestor settled there in 1819 this village was still in Slavonia part of Austria Hungary. I am searching for the village in which my ancestor was born, and surprisingly all results seem to point towards Lorraine/France, and more precisely the Departement of Moselle (Département de la Moselle bordering Alsace and Germany). Without knowing all that, my father came to this region after the WWII to start a new life. I was born later, and so it looks like the loop has been closed! In my native region, there are many people still speaking german (germanic dialects). At home, we spoke at least 3 different dialects. My mom would speak Alsatian, my father Schwowisch, and myself sometimes Hochdeutsch sometimes Lothringerisch (this one is close to the Saarlandisch dialect) depending on the context in which I was. We Moselle-Lothringer and also Alsatians people are still not considered real French. It was always so througout history. I guess the state of imperfection we humans are in doesn't help us sometimes for trying to improve our relationships. However, it is great to see how the rich past of our ancestors get us together as a community. Linda, if you ever search a French Website and need to have something translated from French to English, I'll be glad to help. Best to all of you. Tina Michel, Montreal, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Schambre" <jfschambre@comcast.net> To: "Linda Jaspersen" <ljaspersen@gmail.com> Cc: "DVHH" <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe Linda: It is possible your family came from Alsace-Lorraine France where so many German speaking people lived and migrated to the Banat. I thought my family came from Germany too because, like yours, they always said they were German from Austria-Hungary. Well, they were German and, once they moved to the Banat, they were Austro-Hungarians but before that, probably back in the late 1600's or throughout the 1700 and 1800's they may have lived in France. It was quite a revelation to me. Interestingly, my family had relatives in Buffalo and Tonawanda too! Their family names were Bishop and Stetzer and, unfortunately I haven't been able to find out much about them. I remember them visiting us in Mansfield, Ohio (my home town) but we never went to New York to see them. So many mysteries to uncover! Best of luck in your research! John F. Schambre San Francisco, CA On Apr 24, 2014, at 5:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com> wrote: > Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The heritage > postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - trying > to > catch up after the busy Easter holiday. > > > > Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about > little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they were > too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and adapt to > a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I also > regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more sharing of > oral history before my grandparents died. > > > > Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were born > in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the 1700’s, > according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF immigrant to > Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed mother (my > GGM) > immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, in > 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & 1910, > and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany his wife > and 4 remaining children. > > > > There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no > Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister > went to the German > club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was distrust > and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers fighting > overseas. > > > > When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they > called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from > Austria-Hungary, > never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge brick > walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated from in > the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the > Stadervolumes. > > > > All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have been > a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to learn, > particularly from listers with family memories of what life was like in > the > Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. > > > Thank You All, > > > Linda > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr <jodymckimpharr@comcast > .net> wrote: > >> Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a >> Schwowe. >> Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in the >> witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. Papa >> would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English "You >> are >> in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family research >> quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions after >> those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful and >> knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. >> >> This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have >> brick >> walls, post it onto the mail list. >> Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the >> entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know >> where >> you are at in your search. >> >> Thanks for sharing, >> >> Jody McKim Pharr >> Woodstock, GA - USA >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: >> donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM >> To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >> >> I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on telling >> us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and around >> his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. >> Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my >> father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch (Academic >> German). >> >> I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one >> with >> a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough with >> a >> need to dig and find out more. >> >> With kind regards, >> >> Tina Michel, >> Montreal >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> >> To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >> >> >>> I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps up. >>> I >>> am >>> getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. So >>> many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to most. >>> I >>> am >>> not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. >>> I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived >>> in >>> DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their kids >>> (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't paying >>> enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had had >>> the >>> foresight to ask or listen better. >>> So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help >>> let >>> me >>> know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. >>> Thanks so much for all info and help! >>> Barb D. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: SusanM >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM >>> To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >>> >>> I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It has >>> been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. >>> I'm >>> not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say thanks >>> to >>> people who have written on this thread. 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John, Most of people coming from Alsace-Lorraine (in fact, Lorraine), didn't speak german when they arrived in Banat; they were speaking only french and same for their children; but, as the local administration, the army, sometimes the boys or the girls they married, were speaking german, they had to speak german and finally they lost their french language; so, 120-130 years after, when they arrived to US, they were speaking only german until... 120 years after, their descendants speak english and very few are able to speak german!Another point : Lorraine was not a part of France until 1766Last point : Germany, as a state, didn't exist before 1871; to obtain this, Bismark had to fight against Austria in 1866 (and again the french in 1870). So, there was no "german from Austria-Hungary". But, as another member of the group explained very well a couple of days ago, it's too difficult for a Banater Schwaben to explain who he is really; so, let's people from Lorraine, speaking french, become... German from Austria. Hope you'll pardon me for these points. Bonne journée Daniel Hilaire, Bordeaux > From: jfschambre@comcast.net > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 08:53:15 -0700 > To: ljaspersen@gmail.com > CC: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > Linda: It is possible your family came from Alsace-Lorraine France where so many German speaking people lived and migrated to the Banat. I thought my family came from Germany too because, like yours, they always said they were German from Austria-Hungary. Well, they were German and, once they moved to the Banat, they were Austro-Hungarians but before that, probably back in the late 1600's or throughout the 1700 and 1800's they may have lived in France. It was quite a revelation to me. > > Interestingly, my family had relatives in Buffalo and Tonawanda too! Their family names were Bishop and Stetzer and, unfortunately I haven't been able to find out much about them. I remember them visiting us in Mansfield, Ohio (my home town) but we never went to New York to see them. So many mysteries to uncover! > > Best of luck in your research! > > John F. Schambre > San Francisco, CA > > > > > > On Apr 24, 2014, at 5:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The heritage > > postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - trying to > > catch up after the busy Easter holiday. > > > > > > > > Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about > > little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they were > > too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and adapt to > > a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I also > > regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more sharing of > > oral history before my grandparents died. > > > > > > > > Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were born > > in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the 1700’s, > > according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF immigrant to > > Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed mother (my GGM) > > immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, in > > 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & 1910, > > and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany his wife > > and 4 remaining children. > > > > > > > > There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no > > Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister > > went to the German > > club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was distrust > > and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers fighting > > overseas. > > > > > > > > When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they > > called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from Austria-Hungary, > > never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge brick > > walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated from in > > the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the > > Stadervolumes. > > > > > > > > All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have been > > a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to learn, > > particularly from listers with family memories of what life was like in the > > Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. > > > > > > Thank You All, > > > > > > Linda > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr <jodymckimpharr@comcast > > .net> wrote: > > > >> Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a Schwowe. > >> Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in the > >> witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. Papa > >> would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English "You are > >> in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family research > >> quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions after > >> those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful and > >> knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. > >> > >> This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have brick > >> walls, post it onto the mail list. > >> Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the > >> entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know where > >> you are at in your search. > >> > >> Thanks for sharing, > >> > >> Jody McKim Pharr > >> Woodstock, GA - USA > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > >> donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM > >> To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > >> > >> I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on telling > >> us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and around > >> his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. > >> Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my > >> father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch (Academic > >> German). > >> > >> I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one with > >> a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough with a > >> need to dig and find out more. > >> > >> With kind regards, > >> > >> Tina Michel, > >> Montreal > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> > >> To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM > >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > >> > >> > >>> I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps up. I > >>> am > >>> getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. So > >>> many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to most. I > >>> am > >>> not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. > >>> I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived in > >>> DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their kids > >>> (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't paying > >>> enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had had the > >>> foresight to ask or listen better. > >>> So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help let > >>> me > >>> know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. > >>> Thanks so much for all info and help! > >>> Barb D. > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: SusanM > >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM > >>> To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > >>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > >>> > >>> I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It has > >>> been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. I'm > >>> not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say thanks > >>> to > >>> people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. > >>> > >>> > >>> Susan M > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message