Hi Tina, Thank you for your very kind offer to help me with any problems in translating from French to English. I actually studied 3-years of French in high school. (Yes... we typically start too late learning foreign languages in the U.S.) My family and I visited Montreal while I was still in high school (more than a few years ago) and I was very excited about the prospect of practicing and improving my high school French. I remember being somewhat frustrated in my amateur attempts to communicate and be clearly understood. Apparently my high school French and/or accent was so bad (different?) from the dialect spoken there that I had more than a little trouble communicating, unless they were fluent in English. Anyways, the entire family had quite a lot of fun visiting your beautiful, exciting, and vibrant city. Merci beaucoup! Linda On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Tina Michel <tranpro@primus.ca> wrote: > Dear Linda and John, > > Welcome to surprises! My father was born in Neudorf bei Vinkovci in 1913. > At that time, it belonged already to Syrmia, but when my ancestor settled > there in 1819 this village was still in Slavonia part of Austria Hungary. > > I am searching for the village in which my ancestor was born, and > surprisingly all results seem to point towards Lorraine/France, and more > precisely the Departement of Moselle (Département de la Moselle bordering > Alsace and Germany). Without knowing all that, my father came to this > region after the WWII to start a new life. I was born later, and so it > looks like the loop has been closed! > > In my native region, there are many people still speaking german (germanic > dialects). At home, we spoke at least 3 different dialects. My mom would > speak Alsatian, my father Schwowisch, and myself sometimes Hochdeutsch > sometimes Lothringerisch (this one is close to the Saarlandisch dialect) > depending on the context in which I was. We Moselle-Lothringer and also > Alsatians people are still not considered real French. It was always so > througout history. I guess the state of imperfection we humans are in > doesn't help us sometimes for trying to improve our relationships. > However, it is great to see how the rich past of our ancestors get us > together as a community. > > Linda, if you ever search a French Website and need to have something > translated from French to English, I'll be glad to help. > > Best to all of you. > > Tina Michel, > Montreal, Canada > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Schambre" <jfschambre@comcast.net > > > To: "Linda Jaspersen" <ljaspersen@gmail.com> > Cc: "DVHH" <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 11:53 AM > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > Linda: It is possible your family came from Alsace-Lorraine France where > so many German speaking people lived and migrated to the Banat. I thought > my family came from Germany too because, like yours, they always said they > were German from Austria-Hungary. Well, they were German and, once they > moved to the Banat, they were Austro-Hungarians but before that, probably > back in the late 1600's or throughout the 1700 and 1800's they may have > lived in France. It was quite a revelation to me. > > Interestingly, my family had relatives in Buffalo and Tonawanda too! > Their family names were Bishop and Stetzer and, unfortunately I haven't > been able to find out much about them. I remember them visiting us in > Mansfield, Ohio (my home town) but we never went to New York to see them. > So many mysteries to uncover! > > Best of luck in your research! > > John F. Schambre > San Francisco, CA > > > > > > On Apr 24, 2014, at 5:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com> wrote: > > Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The heritage >> postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - trying >> to >> catch up after the busy Easter holiday. >> >> >> >> Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about >> little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they were >> too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and adapt to >> a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I also >> regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more sharing of >> oral history before my grandparents died. >> >> >> >> Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were born >> in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the 1700’s, >> according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF immigrant to >> Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed mother (my >> GGM) >> immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, in >> 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & 1910, >> and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany his wife >> and 4 remaining children. >> >> >> >> There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no >> Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister >> went to the German >> club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was distrust >> and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers fighting >> overseas. >> >> >> >> When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they >> called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from >> Austria-Hungary, >> never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge brick >> walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated from in >> the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the >> Stadervolumes. >> >> >> >> All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have been >> a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to learn, >> particularly from listers with family memories of what life was like in >> the >> Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. >> >> >> Thank You All, >> >> >> Linda >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr <jodymckimpharr@comcast >> .net> wrote: >> >> Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a >>> Schwowe. >>> Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in the >>> witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. Papa >>> would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English "You >>> are >>> in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family research >>> quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions after >>> those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful and >>> knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. >>> >>> This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have >>> brick >>> walls, post it onto the mail list. >>> Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the >>> entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know >>> where >>> you are at in your search. >>> >>> Thanks for sharing, >>> >>> Jody McKim Pharr >>> Woodstock, GA - USA >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: >>> donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM >>> To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >>> >>> I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on telling >>> us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and around >>> his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. >>> Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my >>> father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch (Academic >>> German). >>> >>> I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one >>> with >>> a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough with >>> a >>> need to dig and find out more. >>> >>> With kind regards, >>> >>> Tina Michel, >>> Montreal >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> >>> To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM >>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >>> >>> >>> I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps up. >>>> I >>>> am >>>> getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. So >>>> many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to most. >>>> I >>>> am >>>> not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. >>>> I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived >>>> in >>>> DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their kids >>>> (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't paying >>>> enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had had >>>> the >>>> foresight to ask or listen better. >>>> So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help >>>> let >>>> me >>>> know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. >>>> Thanks so much for all info and help! >>>> Barb D. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: SusanM >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM >>>> To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >>>> >>>> I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It has >>>> been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. >>>> I'm >>>> not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say thanks >>>> to >>>> people who have written on this thread. 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