Is there similar information anywhere for Batschka prisoners??? Didn't find my dad's name (Peter) on the site provide below? Anton Fieder > From: evebrown@gmail.com > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 17:00:40 -0400 > To: bhilderson@msn.com > CC: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DVHH] Replying to posts > > This is true, but it helps to know what the response is in regard to if > they at least leave the last post. > > Also helpful is for those with digest mode to use the subject line for the > one they are responding to - in fact all digest mail needs to have the > subject lines edited. > > Eve > > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Barbara Hilderson <bhilderson@msn.com>wrote: > > > To the DVHH members, I've edited Vol.7.Ossie 114 . Please don't take > > offense; but it was very difficult to > > read your postings. Perhaps, if when you reply to a message you delete > > all other messages before replying > > it would make your reply easier to read. Barb > > > > > > > > > > >>> Yugoslav Post-WWII Jail Camp Prisoners Named > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> The names of people imprisoned at a notorious detention camp on the > > >>> Croatian island of Goli Otok were published online as part of an > > >> exhibition > > >>> aimed at exposing Communist crimes. > > >> > > http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/list-of-goli-otok-prisoners-published-online?utm_source=Balkan+Transitional+Justice+Daily+Newsletter&utm_campaign=c28b26ea0b-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_561b9a25c3-c28b26ea0b-319678805 > > >>> > > > > > > . > > to Karen, > > > > Thank you for the explanation as to > > "Our Beginnings" > > We should be grateful for those who went before us...... > > And.......my "Great Aunt Annie" was the best cook in the world !!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Diane: > > > > With all due and grateful respect to everyone, I would hazard a guess that > > your Grandmother's political consciousness was to some extent formed during > > the short period in the 1800s when there was a "Dual Monarchy", and the > > Austrian aristocracy wanted the land and the power, but not the "barbarian' > > Hungarians....see the story of Leopold and his suicide. That of course is > > a > > vast simplification of a very complicated political and historical period > > in > > history, but it gives you the basics from which to begin to understand the > > geographic and political mess in Eastern Europe beginning in the early > > 1800s > > and going forward. > > > > I have had a very interesting and informative dialogue going with Nick > > Tullis who is a first person immigrant and lived through the mess real time > > in the 1900s. He is certainly an eye witness expert on this, but I > > disagree > > with him that your "native tongue" determines your "ethnicity" which then > > becomes tangled into what your genetic makeup reveals and what informs your > > personal "identity". Your story and many others described on this list as > > well as my own, informs this discussion totally. After your description of > > your conversation with your Grandmother, correct me if I am wrong...which > > happens often :).....your Grandmother was referring satirically to the fact > > that in the territories of the Banat, the safest and most inclusive > > identity > > to have during her lifetime there was a political one...."we were all > > 'Germans' then". > > > > It seems to me all the most recent discussion threads evidence a real time > > probability that most folks in Eastern Europe during a 200 year or more > > period were in fact a microcosm of like-minded people from all over greater > > Europe and the Indian Peninsula who were seeking a peace and prosperity > > that > > is universal. They were brave, liberty-loving people who had migrated to > > the vast territories of the Hungarian and Russian Empires to be peaceful > > and > > productive. When you look closely you come to discover that their > > "ethnicity" hailed from a vast number of other areas, and their > > "citizenship" was fragile at best and in constant flux. Just the huge > > variety of different dialects, recipe differences, religious traditions, > > education attitudes, and flat-out languages where sometimes one Village > > group could not understand the language of the Village folk right next to > > them, speaks to that fact and informs it. > > > > None of what I have just said DIMINISHES what anyone then "thought or > > identified" themselves as, but rather I believe makes the whole story far > > richer and much more interesting! I believe the appropriateness of a > > collective identity called "Donauschwaben" does not describe "Germans", but > > rather a vastly complex and exciting grouping of people with the SAMEness > > of > > ideal and tradition...that is... great food, wonderful and loving "Village" > > identity, the best parts of a "Migration" to something better psyche, and a > > courage and strength that is both unusual collectively and magnificent > > individually. > > > > There was no braver person on this earth than my Grandmother! And she was > > born a Hungarian, lived as a mixed "German,Serb,Hungarian, Russian, > > Italian, > > French, Croat", spoke 4 languages and then added English, figured out the > > best of the Eastern European ethnicity, was genetically a mixed Caucasian > > and practiced 3 different religious affiliations during her lifetime. > > Then...she became an American. Don't know what you call that, but I call > > it > > Fabulous!! > > > > Karen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Forwarded Message Attachment-- > > From: MFCobb1@aol.com > > CC: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > > To: bbd2424@gmail.com; islandkaren@bellsouth.net; dvhalas@comcast.net; > > jfschambre@comcast.net; easimcox@gmail.com > > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 14:40:31 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] History of Germany - and DNA results > > > > Barb & Karen, I agree whole heartedly--well done. Karen, thank you for > > the well-thought-out epistle, and I use the word epistle as in a formal > > and > > elegant letter. This is going into my reference files. Thank you both > > for > > you time and effort. > > > > Marcia Fay (WAGENHALS) Cobb > > (Formerly of Mansfield, Ohio > > (My father was born in Kanak but emigrated from Franzfeld, > > Austria-Hungary) > > Newberg Oregon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This discussion seems to never die. I put togeher a few points about the > > nationality of the Danube Swabians in an attempt to clarify the issue. The > > long-time followers of this List may want to skip them > > > > > > > > 1. The dictionary definition of nationality: a body of people sharing > > common descent, history, language, etc; they could form a nation; or they > > can form a national minority. > > > > 2. National minorities were officially recognized by the governments of > > the more enlightened multi-national states of Europe (they were > > multinational because of the presence of national minorities). > > > > 3. With the multiple changes of borders and/or sovereignty in the > > territories inhabited by Danube Swabians, the determination of nationality > > by the country of birth would have been impossible. Attempts to change > > their > > nationality by force were never completely successful. > > > > 4. In new countries being built from immigrants, nationality and > > citizenship (here considered the same) were usually acquired by birth or by > > naturalization. > > > > 5. In older countries, such as Germany, belonging to a people in the > > ethnic sense is referred to as nationality (but not necessarily > > citizenship). > > > > 6. Even in today's post-Communist States, citizens are assigned a > > nationality, which can make them members of a officially-recognized > > national > > minority. > > > > > > > > That the Danube Swabians are an ethnic German group is a well-established > > historical fact. It is determined not only by common descent, history, > > language, but a vast cultural heritage in German-language literature, in > > the > > arts like painting, sculpture and music. It was finally demonstrated by > > their recent (by historical time) immigration to and integration in the > > country of their ancestors. The latter are the vast majority; we in the New > > World (North America, Australia, Brazil, etc) are a small minority, and we > > are free to personally decide who we are and what we are. Our ancestors > > made > > their own decisions. May they rest in peace! > > > > > > > > Nick Tullius > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message