Linda, Where would I be able to find the Stadervolumes? I know my ancestors were from the Pfalz before they went to Yugoslavia and these records might be helpful in finding out where they originated from. Thank you. Margaret Rödler Bures Margaret >From my iPad > On Apr 24, 2014, at 8:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com> wrote: > > Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The heritage > postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - trying to > catch up after the busy Easter holiday. > > > > Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about > little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they were > too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and adapt to > a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I also > regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more sharing of > oral history before my grandparents died. > > > > Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were born > in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the 1700’s, > according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF immigrant to > Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed mother (my GGM) > immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, in > 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & 1910, > and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany his wife > and 4 remaining children. > > > > There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no > Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister > went to the German > club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was distrust > and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers fighting > overseas. > > > > When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they > called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from Austria-Hungary, > never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge brick > walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated from in > the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the > Stadervolumes. > > > > All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have been > a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to learn, > particularly from listers with family memories of what life was like in the > Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. > > > Thank You All, > > > Linda > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr <jodymckimpharr@comcast > .net> wrote: > >> Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a Schwowe. >> Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in the >> witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. Papa >> would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English "You are >> in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family research >> quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions after >> those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful and >> knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. >> >> This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have brick >> walls, post it onto the mail list. >> Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the >> entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know where >> you are at in your search. >> >> Thanks for sharing, >> >> Jody McKim Pharr >> Woodstock, GA - USA >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: >> donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM >> To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >> >> I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on telling >> us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and around >> his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. >> Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my >> father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch (Academic >> German). >> >> I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one with >> a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough with a >> need to dig and find out more. >> >> With kind regards, >> >> Tina Michel, >> Montreal >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> >> To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >> >> >>> I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps up. I >>> am >>> getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. So >>> many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to most. I >>> am >>> not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. >>> I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived in >>> DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their kids >>> (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't paying >>> enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had had the >>> foresight to ask or listen better. >>> So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help let >>> me >>> know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. >>> Thanks so much for all info and help! >>> Barb D. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: SusanM >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM >>> To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >>> >>> I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It has >>> been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. I'm >>> not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say thanks >>> to >>> people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. >>> >>> >>> Susan M >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Margaret: Some of the Stader volumes are still available from the AKDFF (check the information re the link below). http://dvhh.org/genealogy/emigrant_ref_books.htm#Stefan_Stader_Series However, not everyone registered in Vienna before immigrating and information on those who did doesn't always include place of origin. You can always post a request to the list for a Stader lookup. Beth Tolfree -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Bures Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 2:29 PM To: Linda Jaspersen Cc: DVHH Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe Linda, Where would I be able to find the Stadervolumes? I know my ancestors were from the Pfalz before they went to Yugoslavia and these records might be helpful in finding out where they originated from. Thank you. Margaret Rödler Bures Margaret >From my iPad > On Apr 24, 2014, at 8:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com> wrote: > > Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The > heritage postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them > all - trying to catch up after the busy Easter holiday. > > > > Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about > little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they > were too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and > adapt to a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my > case... I also regret not asking the questions that might have > triggered more sharing of oral history before my grandparents died. > > > > Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were > born in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to > the 1700’s, according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My > GF immigrant to Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his > widowed mother (my GGM) immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated > to Tonawanda, New York, in 1914, age 12 years; her father had > previously immigrated in 1906 & 1910, and returned to Glogowatz for > the last time in 1914 to accompany his wife and 4 remaining children. > > > > There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no > Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister > went to the German club but that it closed during WWII and never > reopened. There was distrust and fear at the time; many of the > neighbors’ sons were soldiers fighting overseas. > > > > When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they > called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from > Austria-Hungary, never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. > One of my huge brick walls is trying to learn where in Germany my > ancestors emigrated from in the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been > able to find them in the Stadervolumes. > > > > All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have > been a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to > learn, particularly from listers with family memories of what life was > like in the Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. > > > Thank You All, > > > Linda > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr > <jodymckimpharr@comcast .net> wrote: > >> Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a Schwowe. >> Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in >> the witness protection program. They would barely talk about >> anything. Papa would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to >> speak English "You are in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I >> started my family research quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the >> answers to my questions after those who had the answers had passed >> away. Because of our wonderful and knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. >> >> This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have >> brick walls, post it onto the mail list. >> Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to >> the entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can >> know where you are at in your search. >> >> Thanks for sharing, >> >> Jody McKim Pharr >> Woodstock, GA - USA >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: >> donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM >> To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >> >> I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on >> telling us about the good eating and all the things that were done in >> and around his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. >> Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my >> father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch >> (Academic German). >> >> I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one >> with a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure >> enough with a need to dig and find out more. >> >> With kind regards, >> >> Tina Michel, >> Montreal >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> >> To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; >> <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >> >> >>> I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps >>> up. I am getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived >>> and died. So many question to go and I will probably never have the >>> answers to most. I am not even sure how to know if we are >>> Donauschwaben or not. >>> I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who >>> lived in DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even >>> to their kids (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe >>> we weren't paying enough attention to remember. All I can tell you >>> is I wish I had had the foresight to ask or listen better. >>> So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to >>> help let me know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. >>> Thanks so much for all info and help! >>> Barb D. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: SusanM >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM >>> To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >>> >>> I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It >>> has been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the >>> archives. I'm not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I >>> wanted to say thanks to people who have written on this thread. I'm >>> fascinated. >>> >>> >>> Susan M >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Margaret, Sorry I missed your question about the Stader volumes, but see that Beth answered it very nicely. As Beth suggested, I posted my questions to the list and people that own the various volumes were very helpful in doing a look-up. DVHH has a wonderful group of informative and helpful experts and people learning from each other! Good luck with your research, Linda On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Margaret Bures <bures@att.net> wrote: > Linda, > > Where would I be able to find the Stadervolumes? > > I know my ancestors were from the Pfalz before they went to Yugoslavia and > these records might be helpful in finding out where they originated from. > > Thank you. > > Margaret Rödler Bures > > > Margaret > From my iPad > > > > On Apr 24, 2014, at 8:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The heritage > > postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - trying > to > > catch up after the busy Easter holiday. > > > > > > > > Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about > > little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they > were > > too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and adapt > to > > a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I also > > regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more sharing of > > oral history before my grandparents died. > > > > > > > > Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were born > > in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the > 1700’s, > > according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF immigrant > to > > Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed mother (my > GGM) > > immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, in > > 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & 1910, > > and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany his wife > > and 4 remaining children. > > > > > > > > There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no > > Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister > > went to the German > > club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was > distrust > > and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers fighting > > overseas. > > > > > > > > When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they > > called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from > Austria-Hungary, > > never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge brick > > walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated from in > > the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the > > Stadervolumes. > > > > > > > > All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have > been > > a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to learn, > > particularly from listers with family memories of what life was like in > the > > Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. > > > > > > Thank You All, > > > > > > Linda > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr <jodymckimpharr@comcast > > .net> wrote: > > > >> Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a > Schwowe. > >> Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in the > >> witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. Papa > >> would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English "You > are > >> in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family > research > >> quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions after > >> those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful and > >> knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. > >> > >> This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have > brick > >> walls, post it onto the mail list. > >> Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the > >> entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know > where > >> you are at in your search. > >> > >> Thanks for sharing, > >> > >> Jody McKim Pharr > >> Woodstock, GA - USA > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > >> donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM > >> To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > >> > >> I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on telling > >> us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and around > >> his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and > how. > >> Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my > >> father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch > (Academic > >> German). > >> > >> I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one > with > >> a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough > with a > >> need to dig and find out more. > >> > >> With kind regards, > >> > >> Tina Michel, > >> Montreal > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> > >> To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM > >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > >> > >> > >>> I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps > up. I > >>> am > >>> getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. > So > >>> many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to > most. I > >>> am > >>> not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. > >>> I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived > in > >>> DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their > kids > >>> (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't paying > >>> enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had had > the > >>> foresight to ask or listen better. > >>> So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help > let > >>> me > >>> know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. > >>> Thanks so much for all info and help! > >>> Barb D. > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: SusanM > >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM > >>> To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > >>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > >>> > >>> I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It > has > >>> been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. > I'm > >>> not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say > thanks > >>> to > >>> people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. > >>> > >>> > >>> Susan M > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >