My mother always said her father was a mounted policeman, so would would this be like the Grenzers? In Buffalo, NY, he and several of the kids worked in livery related jobs, one driving a brewery wagon, one a blacksmith. ------------------------------ On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 12:35 PM EDT Jody McKim Pharr wrote: >You are absolutely right Rita. My mail line Ancestor was in the military >from Rojau, Bohemia. He is not registered in Ulm either. I researched this >some years ago and learned that anyone who was already living in the Empire >was already a citizen. Too bad I can't find his actual military record, or >even why his military group went to Banat in the late 1700's. > >Jody > > >-----Original Message----- >From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com >[mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rita >Schiwanowitsch >Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 11:56 AM >To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > >I know that part of my family came to the Banat from an area that was >already in the Austro Hungarian Empire. Specifically from the Moravia, >Hungarian, and Croatia regions. Since these people were traveling to an >area within the same country, they did not need to register like those from >Germany, for example. > > > >Rita > > > > > > From: evebrown@gmail.com > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 09:19:45 -0400 > To: ljaspersen@gmail.com > CC: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > Hello Linda, > > I don't know if this would be the case for your family or not, my > father's family also was not in the Stader books. I learned with time > and help the reason was because his family was brought in as Grenzers - >border patrol. > My phrasing of this may be incorrect - I am by no means an expert and > please I someone knows the how and why of the Grenzers coming into the > Banat - please share here! > > Eve > > > On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen ><ljaspersen@gmail.com>wrote: > > > Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The > > heritage postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them > > all - trying to catch up after the busy Easter holiday. > > > > > > > > Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments > > about little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. > > Perhaps they were too busy struggling to support their families, > > learn English, and adapt to a radically new life in their adopted > > country. And in my case... I also regret not asking the questions > > that might have triggered more sharing of oral history before my >grandparents died. > > > > > > > > Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were > > born in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to > > the 1700's, according to Erwin Kilzheimer's wonderful Familienbuch. > > My GF immigrant to Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; > > his widowed mother (my > > GGM) > > immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, > > in 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 > > & 1910, and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to > > accompany his wife and 4 remaining children. > > > > > > > > There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no > > Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister > > went to the German club but that it closed during WWII and never > > reopened. There was distrust and fear at the time; many of the > > neighbors' sons were soldiers fighting overseas. > > > > > > > > When my immigrant grandparents talked about "the old country" as > > they called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from > > Austria-Hungary, never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. > > One of my huge brick walls is trying to learn where in Germany my > > ancestors emigrated from in the 1700's. Unfortunately, I haven't > > been able to find them in the Stadervolumes. > > > > > > > > All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site > > have been a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something > > new to learn, particularly from listers with family memories of what > > life was like in the Banat for both the people who stayed and those who >emigrated. > > > > > > Thank You All, > > > > > > Linda > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr > > <jodymckimpharr@comcast .net> wrote: > > > > > Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a > > Schwowe. > > > Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were > > > in the witness protection program. They would barely talk about > > > anything. Papa would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) > > > to speak English "You > > are > > > in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family > > > research quest. It wasn't easy figuring out all the answers to my > > > questions after those who had the answers had passed away. Because > > > of our wonderful and knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in >place. > > > > > > This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you > > > have > > brick > > > walls, post it onto the mail list. > > > Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to > > > the entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help > > > can know > > where > > > you are at in your search. > > > > > > Thanks for sharing, > > > > > > Jody McKim Pharr > > > Woodstock, GA - USA > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > > > donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina > > > Michel > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM > > > To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > > > I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on > > > telling us about the good eating and all the things that were done > > > in and around his village, I took everything for granted instead of >asking why and how. > > > Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked > > > my father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch > > > (Academic German). > > > > > > I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only > > > one > > with > > > a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure > > > enough with > > a > > > need to dig and find out more. > > > > > > With kind regards, > > > > > > Tina Michel, > > > Montreal > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> > > > To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; > > > <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM > > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > > > > > > >I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps >up. > > I > > > >am > > > > getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and >died. > > So > > > > many question to go and I will probably never have the answers > > > > to > > most. I > > > > am > > > > not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. > > > > I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who > > > > lived > > in > > > > DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to > > > > their > > kids > > > > (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't > > > > paying enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I > > > > wish I had had > > the > > > > foresight to ask or listen better. > > > > So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to > > > > help > > let > > > > me > > > > know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. > > > > Thanks so much for all info and help! > > > > Barb D. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: SusanM > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM > > > > To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > > > > > I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this > > > > discussion. It > > has > > > > been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the >archives. > > I'm > > > > not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to > > > > say > > thanks > > > > to > > > > people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan M > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word >'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message