________________________________ From: donauschwaben-villages-request@rootsweb.com <donauschwaben-villages-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: March 3, 2019 3:49 PM To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES Digest, Vol 12, Issue 89 Send DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES mailing list submissions to donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body subscribe to donauschwaben-villages-request@rootsweb.com To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and body unsubscribe to donauschwaben-villages-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at donauschwaben-villages-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Elsaß/Alsace Family Books (Franzwa and Bahl) (Mjm1021@comcast.net) 2. Re: Expressions of frustration? (Nick Tullius) 3. Re: Expressions of frustration? (Rose Vetter) 4. Re: Elsaß/Alsace Family Books (Andrea & Dan Walter) 5. Re: Elsaß/Alsace Family Books (Franzwa and Bahl) (Paul frank) 6. Re: Elsaß/Alsace Family Books (Franzwa and Bahl) (Paul frank) 7. Re: Elsaß/Alsace Family Books (Franzwa and Bahl) (Andrea & Dan Walter) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 15:00:55 -0500 From: "Mjm1021@comcast.net" <mjm1021@comcast.net> Subject: [DVHH] Re: Elsaß/Alsace Family Books (Franzwa and Bahl) To: "Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH)" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <5BDDAC72-FB56-472A-840B-7BC4B0EFBD60@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Francois is the French spelling which would be appropriate for Alsace and Lorraine. Fran Matkovich Sent from my iPad > On Mar 3, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Andrea & Dan Walter <ajwdcw@windstream.net> wrote: > > Sorry Paul, but nothing listed for FRANZWA and BAHL. > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Frank [mailto:paulfrank@sasktel.net] > Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2019 8:57 AM > To: 'Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH)' > Subject: [DVHH] Re: Elsaß/Alsace Family Books (Franzwa and Bahl) > Importance: Low > > Hello Dan, thank you for the offer. My ancestors came from one of the german speaking sections of Alsace and Lorraine. I have no town suggestions. I am looking for Martin Franzwa born approx.. 1744 and Katharina Bahl born approx.. 1742. I have no parent information. They married July 1, 1766 in Apatin. I have the Stader books volumes one and two but they did not help. I appreciate any help. > > Paul Frank > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrea & Dan Walter [mailto:ajwdcw@windstream.net] > Sent: March-02-19 12:36 PM > To: 'Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH)' > Subject: [DVHH] Re: Elsaß/Alsace Family Books > > I am in possession of a book complied by Charles Amann titled "L' emigration des lorrains vers le Banat et la Batschka au 18eme siècle 1750-1803". I would be glad to perform look-ups from this book as well. > Dan Walter > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 15:09:30 -0500 From: Nick Tullius <tvllivsn@bell.net> Subject: [DVHH] Re: Expressions of frustration? To: "'Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH)'" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000601d4d1fd$0308b3a0$091a1ae0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" It is true that when it comes to swearing, the Hungarians are world champions. In a single expression they could include the other person's mother, an animal, and God. The Rumanians would get the silver medal in swearing. So it was common for our Swabians to borrow some of these choice expressions when they got really mad. We children also picked up some Russian swearwords [from soldiers of the 'liberating' Red Army], but to Serbian, Croatian, Slovenian I was not exposed. Swabian expressions would be more like "verdammt!" [~ damnation] or Gottverdammt, sometimes followed by the name of and animal ["verdammter Hund!"] They would typically express frustration. A person could be called "Du Trottel" [you fool], "Du Idiot" or "Du Scheißkerl" [one online dictionary translates this as "you bastard" another as "you motherf--cker"]. Pretty bad, eh? Nick -----Original Message----- From: Rita Schiwanowitsch [mailto:schiwanore@msn.com] Sent: March 3, 2019 1:51 PM To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) Subject: [DVHH] Re: Expressions of frustration? I remember sayings like “Ach du Lieber” or “Verdampfte” or “Schei**e” or “Blöde Kühe“ . For me the more crass one were in Hungarian.... which i won’t repeat here. ;-). Please forgive my spelling errors. Rita Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 3, 2019, at 11:34 AM, Eve <evebrown@gmail.com> wrote: > > I heard the most when my parents played cards with my aunts and uncles - it > was extremely crass swearing but in Serbian - according to my mom German's > didn't swear - LOL and usually things were said in regard to comparing > people to animals in German. Of course, I had to get to the bottom of what > the Serbian swearing was - my parents would just crack up laughing when I > asked them what they were saying - I was very good a repeating it > correctly. About 7-8 years ago I found out. When we visited Europe a > couple of years ago and we took a road trip to from Austria to Serbia, I > noticed my cousin saying those same words during road rage moments. > > Eve > >> On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 1:06 PM BZirger <BZirger@magma.ca> wrote: >> >> Hi Lori, >> >> That would be and expression of surprise or frustration. I would not >> consider it swearing. There were other choice expressions for that, and >> not necessarily in german. >> >> Brigitte Zirger >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lori Straus [mailto:loristraus@loristraus.com] >> Sent: March 3, 2019 11:06 AM >> To: DVHH-L <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: [DVHH] Expressions of frustration? >> >> Hey everyone, >> >> >> >> Another question for the more “experienced” Donauschwaben on the list :) >> What expressions did you or your parents/grandparents use to express >> frustration? I remember my grandparents saying something like “In Gottes >> Himmel nei!” to express amazement or surprise. (I don’t know if I got that >> right—I spelled that phonetically.) But I don’t know how they expressed >> frustration, swearing or otherwise. >> >> >> >> Any memories out there? >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> Lori Straus >> >> Writer, Editor, German-to-English Translator Technology / Performing Arts >> / Memoir >> (519) 503-7098 >> Skype: lori.straus >> www.loristraus.com<http://www.loristraus.com> >> >> >> >> Professional Writers’ Association of Canada, professional member >> >> Literary Translators’ Association of Canada, associate member >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb >> is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> > > > -- > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 12:20:02 -0800 From: Rose Vetter <rosevetter@gmail.com> Subject: [DVHH] Re: Expressions of frustration? To: DVHH-L <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CAMX1WxJGNd7JnmSZUqBDaW5+BPULwmkV6j0gsr5C9qOeBfYrOQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Our people were very pious and God-fearing and in their anger or frustration would usually invoke the help of God and the saints, such as "Himmel, Herrgott, Sakrament!" (heaven, God and sacrament!). I still remember an expression my grandmother used whenever she was shocked or frustrated. She would raise her folded hands up in the air and cry, "JesMa'ndJosef!" (a condensation of Jesus, Mary and Joseph, with a strong emphasis on the ufirst syllable, which sounded like a single word). Stronger expressionsì would be "D'r Teifl soll ihn hole" (Let the devil get him) or "Dunn'rwett'r nochamol!" (Donnerwetter = thunderstorm) nochmal. Women were not known to swear, whereas men would resort to Serbian when in a rage, which could be quite crude. I still remember my father uttering one particular Serbian phrase, and when I asked my older sister years later about the meaning, she replied, "You wouldn't want to know." Rose On Sun, Mar 3, 2019, 10:50 AM Rita Schiwanowitsch <schiwanore@msn.com wrote: > I remember sayings like “Ach du Lieber” or “Verdampfte” or “Schei**e” or > “Blöde Kühe“ . For me the more crass one were in Hungarian.... which i > won’t repeat here. ;-). > Please forgive my spelling errors. > > Rita > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Mar 3, 2019, at 11:34 AM, Eve <evebrown@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I heard the most when my parents played cards with my aunts and uncles - > it > > was extremely crass swearing but in Serbian - according to my mom > German's > > didn't swear - LOL and usually things were said in regard to comparing > > people to animals in German. Of course, I had to get to the bottom of > what > > the Serbian swearing was - my parents would just crack up laughing when I > > asked them what they were saying - I was very good a repeating it > > correctly. About 7-8 years ago I found out. When we visited Europe a > > couple of years ago and we took a road trip to from Austria to Serbia, I > > noticed my cousin saying those same words during road rage moments. > > > > Eve > > > >> On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 1:06 PM BZirger <BZirger@magma.ca> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Lori, > >> > >> That would be and expression of surprise or frustration. I would not > >> consider it swearing. There were other choice expressions for that, and > >> not necessarily in german. > >> > >> Brigitte Zirger > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Lori Straus [mailto:loristraus@loristraus.com] > >> Sent: March 3, 2019 11:06 AM > >> To: DVHH-L <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > >> Subject: [DVHH] Expressions of frustration? > >> > >> Hey everyone, > >> > >> > >> > >> Another question for the more “experienced” Donauschwaben on the list :) > >> What expressions did you or your parents/grandparents use to express > >> frustration? I remember my grandparents saying something like “In Gottes > >> Himmel nei!” to express amazement or surprise. (I don’t know if I got > that > >> right—I spelled that phonetically.) But I don’t know how they expressed > >> frustration, swearing or otherwise. > >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 15:25:45 -0500 From: "Andrea & Dan Walter" <ajwdcw@windstream.net> Subject: [DVHH] Re: Elsaß/Alsace Family Books To: "'Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands \(DVHH\)'" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <001001d4d1ff$4881d180$d9857480$@windstream.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Sorry Walter, but there are no SUCHER entries in the book. Dan -----Original Message----- From: Daniela Hieslmayr [mailto:daniela.hieslmayr@gmx.at] Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2019 2:05 PM To: DVHH Mail List Subject: [DVHH] Re: Elsaß/Alsace Family Books Hello Walter! I can not help with Elsass, but with Bela Crkva. Dominik Sucher married Magdalena Klein on 16th Feb 1800. I could not find his birth in the records, but his best man at the wedding was Dominik Jeanplong, who had a whole bunch of godchildren, many named after him - Dominik. Liebe Grüße, Daniela Am 03.03.19, 13:59 schrieb "Walter Sucher" unter <walter.sucher@t-online.de>: >Hi Dan, > >thank you for your kind offer. > >Please look up my family name SUCHER - > >my ‚oldest‘ relative is a DOMINIK SUCHER who married in 1802 in Bela >Crkva/Weisskirchen, Banat - he or his fathers immigrated from Alsace etc, >that is all I ‚know‘... > >Thank you. > >Walter Sucher >D 14050 Berlin [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link>