Alfadr is the DS word for Altvater = old father. an old German word not in use any more. All the personal washing and bathing was done in the kitchen. The women also washed their hair in the kitchen. The warm strained ash/lye water was poured on the hair over a basin (Lavour) and rubbed in . Then the hair was rinsed by pouring clean warm water over it until it was not slippery any more. I was helpful if another person poured the water, but could also be done alone. The chamber pot was usually dumped onto the manure pile at the far end of the property. A lot of villages in Croatia (I don’t know about other areas) had a common pasture outside the village for the cows. A locally employed man, the Kihalter = Kühhalter (cowherd) would drive them through the village and every farmer would open the gate and let the animals out. They would spend the day grazing at the village owned common pastureIn the evening the Kühhalter would bring them back and all the cows knew their own home. There was usually a Schwengelbrunnen to provide water the animals. This was a well with a long pole with a bucket at one end and a counterweight at the other. There was an interesting incident in my grandmother’s family. When she and her sisters were were still living at home (late 1800’s), for several days in a row their cow had gone ‘dry, she refused to give milk. That was quite unusual. So the family decided to consult the local ‘wise woman=Wahrsagerin’ who could solve mysteries like that. She advised them if they still had some some milk they should put it on the stove and the sisters should stand around the stove and poke forks into the boiling milk in the three Holy Names”. The next person entering the house would be to blame for the cow’s misfortune. It was the Kühhalter. He had been milking the cow for his own use. He was in trouble. It was the same with the pigs. The Schweihalter (Schweinhalter) went to the village and collected all the pigs. They went to a different area where there was a pasture and pond. Pigs are very heat sensitive. They could cool off in the shallow muddy water. When we were in Austria and my parents told our landlord/farmer about this he could not believe it. An Austrian young man who had been stationed in our village with with the German army told him it was really so.

To all that have been giving stories of how things were. Thank you all so much for sharing. I really enjoy reading your replies. I am learning so much about my ancestors and how they lived. Please keep them coming. Barb -----Original Message----- From: Anne Dreer Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2019 11:37 AM To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] Explanations. Alfadr is the DS word for Altvater = old father. an old German word not in use any more. All the personal washing and bathing was done in the kitchen. The women also washed their hair in the kitchen. The warm strained ash/lye water was poured on the hair over a basin (Lavour) and rubbed in . Then the hair was rinsed by pouring clean warm water over it until it was not slippery any more. I was helpful if another person poured the water, but could also be done alone. The chamber pot was usually dumped onto the manure pile at the far end of the property. A lot of villages in Croatia (I don’t know about other areas) had a common pasture outside the village for the cows. A locally employed man, the Kihalter = Kühhalter (cowherd) would drive them through the village and every farmer would open the gate and let the animals out. They would spend the day grazing at the village owned common pastureIn the evening the Kühhalter would bring them back and all the cows knew their own home. There was usually a Schwengelbrunnen to provide water the animals. This was a well with a long pole with a bucket at one end and a counterweight at the other. There was an interesting incident in my grandmother’s family. When she and her sisters were were still living at home (late 1800’s), for several days in a row their cow had gone ‘dry, she refused to give milk. That was quite unusual. So the family decided to consult the local ‘wise woman=Wahrsagerin’ who could solve mysteries like that. She advised them if they still had some some milk they should put it on the stove and the sisters should stand around the stove and poke forks into the boiling milk in the three Holy Names”. The next person entering the house would be to blame for the cow’s misfortune. It was the Kühhalter. He had been milking the cow for his own use. He was in trouble. It was the same with the pigs. The Schweihalter (Schweinhalter) went to the village and collected all the pigs. They went to a different area where there was a pasture and pond. Pigs are very heat sensitive. They could cool off in the shallow muddy water. When we were in Austria and my parents told our landlord/farmer about this he could not believe it. An Austrian young man who had been stationed in our village with with the German army told him it was really so. _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com

And Grandmother was Almodr. Rose Mary Keller Hughes -----Original Message----- From: Anne Dreer <dreera@sympatico.ca> Sent: 23 February, 2019 12:37 PM To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] Explanations. Alfadr is the DS word for Altvater = old father. an old German word not in use any more. All the personal washing and bathing was done in the kitchen. The women also washed their hair in the kitchen. The warm strained ash/lye water was poured on the hair over a basin (Lavour) and rubbed in . Then the hair was rinsed by pouring clean warm water over it until it was not slippery any more. I was helpful if another person poured the water, but could also be done alone. The chamber pot was usually dumped onto the manure pile at the far end of the property. A lot of villages in Croatia (I don’t know about other areas) had a common pasture outside the village for the cows. A locally employed man, the Kihalter = Kühhalter (cowherd) would drive them through the village and every farmer would open the gate and let the animals out. They would spend the day grazing at the village owned common pastureIn the evening the Kühhalter would bring them back and all the cows knew their own home. There was usually a Schwengelbrunnen to provide water the animals. This was a well with a long pole with a bucket at one end and a counterweight at the other. There was an interesting incident in my grandmother’s family. When she and her sisters were were still living at home (late 1800’s), for several days in a row their cow had gone ‘dry, she refused to give milk. That was quite unusual. So the family decided to consult the local ‘wise woman=Wahrsagerin’ who could solve mysteries like that. She advised them if they still had some some milk they should put it on the stove and the sisters should stand around the stove and poke forks into the boiling milk in the three Holy Names”. The next person entering the house would be to blame for the cow’s misfortune. It was the Kühhalter. He had been milking the cow for his own use. He was in trouble. It was the same with the pigs. The Schweihalter (Schweinhalter) went to the village and collected all the pigs. They went to a different area where there was a pasture and pond. Pigs are very heat sensitive. They could cool off in the shallow muddy water. When we were in Austria and my parents told our landlord/farmer about this he could not believe it. An Austrian young man who had been stationed in our village with with the German army told him it was really so. _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Subject: [DVHH] Re: Explanations. That would have been Altmutter = old mother Anne D. And Grandmother was Almodr. Rose Mary Keller Hughes is the DS word for Altvater = old father. an old German word not in use any more. _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Wasn't Altmutter and Altvater - meant for great grands? Eve On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 4:27 PM Anne Dreer <dreera@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > Subject: [DVHH] Re: Explanations. > > That would have been Altmutter = old mother > > Anne D. > > > And Grandmother was Almodr. > > Rose Mary Keller Hughes > is the DS word for Altvater = old father. an old German word not in use > any > more. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb > is > funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia

Yes, I know that, Anne . . . however, I wondered why we used the terms . . . our house language was German and we knew that they meant Altmutter and Altvater but we used other words. I have a sheet of what I call Semlakian--I didn't realize that the words were used in more villages in Hungary and Romania (by German settlers). When my husband and I visited our relatives and then Semlak, I used the "Semlakian" word for horse. One of the cousins said to her sister in German "Oh! She speaks Semlakian (can't remember the word)." Rose Mary KH -----Original Message----- From: Anne Dreer <dreera@sympatico.ca> Sent: 23 February, 2019 4:24 PM To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DVHH] Re: Explanations. Subject: [DVHH] Re: Explanations. That would have been Altmutter = old mother Anne D. And Grandmother was Almodr. Rose Mary Keller Hughes is the DS word for Altvater = old father. an old German word not in use any more. _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.c om Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.c om Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.c om Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community