There was a great program on TV the other night regarding finding out what nationality you are by doing DNA testing. Hopefully, copying and pasting will get you the program to watch on line. https://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/episodes/2018-2019/dna-ancestry-tests-can-you-trust-the-results Mary Ann
I have done ancestry family tree 23&me I had my brothers do Ancestry to see the German it says Great Britian when I know 100% my Kircher Tobias are from Billed Hungary. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: MARY ANN HUESER <mahueser@hotmail.com> Date: 1/20/19 5:44 PM (GMT-05:00) To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] DNA Testing There was a great program on TV the other night regarding finding out what nationality you are by doing DNA testing. Hopefully, copying and pasting will get you the program to watch on line. https://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/episodes/2018-2019/dna-ancestry-tests-can-you-trust-the-results Mary Ann _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
Just because someone from somewhere doesn’t mean that’s what they are. I don’t know how to explain it but maybe someone out there can. All these people migrated from somewhere else. Hope this helps. Barb Sent from my iPad > On Jan 20, 2019, at 4:59 PM, bguysmom via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I have done ancestry family tree 23&me I had my brothers do Ancestry to see the German it says Great Britian when I know 100% my Kircher Tobias are from Billed Hungary. > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > -------- Original message --------From: MARY ANN HUESER <mahueser@hotmail.com> Date: 1/20/19 5:44 PM (GMT-05:00) To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] DNA Testing > There was a great program on TV the other night regarding finding out what nationality you are by doing DNA testing. > > Hopefully, copying and pasting will get you the program to watch on line. > > https://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/episodes/2018-2019/dna-ancestry-tests-can-you-trust-the-results > > > Mary Ann > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
Sorry, I should have explained more, that is what the program was about. - How inaccurate it is! Mary Ann ________________________________ From: Barb Dannenberg <bbd2424@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday 20 January 2019 23:14 To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) Subject: [DVHH] Re: DNA Testing Just because someone from somewhere doesn’t mean that’s what they are. I don’t know how to explain it but maybe someone out there can. All these people migrated from somewhere else. Hope this helps. Barb Sent from my iPad > On Jan 20, 2019, at 4:59 PM, bguysmom via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I have done ancestry family tree 23&me I had my brothers do Ancestry to see the German it says Great Britian when I know 100% my Kircher Tobias are from Billed Hungary. > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > -------- Original message --------From: MARY ANN HUESER <mahueser@hotmail.com> Date: 1/20/19 5:44 PM (GMT-05:00) To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] DNA Testing > There was a great program on TV the other night regarding finding out what nationality you are by doing DNA testing. > > Hopefully, copying and pasting will get you the program to watch on line. > > https://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/episodes/2018-2019/dna-ancestry-tests-can-you-trust-the-results > > > Mary Ann > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
It is important to understand the difference between nationality and ancestry. They have different definitions. A person's nationality is the name of the country in which they hold citizenship. It has no direct relationship to their ancestry. Those of us that live in the USA or Canada know this to be very obvious, unless you happen to belong to the indigenous community in North America. If we have a discussion about ancestry, we have to clarify if we wish to discuss cultural or ethnic ancestry, or whether we want to discuss DNA ancestry. Once again, they are not necessarily the same thing. A person's ethnic or cultural ancestry generally refers to the location, language, customs, cuisine, etc. that was the realm of their most recent ancestors. To put it bluntly, if your immediate ancestors spoke German, wore lederhosen and ate bratwurst, they were Germanic and no DNA test will change this. DNA ancestry, when it is used to estimate an individual's geographic origin, is an attempt to define a person's deep ancestral roots based on statistics from a large DNA database of individuals. The CBC Marketplace investigation showed that this is not an exacting science because each DNA ancestry provider uses their own database and that is fraught with two main problems. Firstly, any database, no matter how large, is only a sampling. Secondly, as was pointed out in the TV report, almost all human DNA is the same. About 99% of our DNA is the same, so teasing out small differences on certain key chromosome markers was not an easy task. One of the biggest problems is that it is impossible to know exactly how humans migrated throughout the world since the dawn of modern humanity. Nobody kept any records in those very early days. We can only rely on anthropological clues and what we can infer from the distribution of people around the world in modern times. I think we can confidently assume that genetically distinct people did not move as distinct, cohesive groups throughout human history without any mixing. This is exactly why the pie charts and percentages that you receive with your results never give you a result that is 100% of any given ancestry. My biggest frustration is that these percentages are never properly explained and the CBC report failed to do so as well. When you see a breakdown of your results with percentages of various ancestries, it does not mean that you have ancestors that ever lived in those parts of the world. What it does mean is that your genetic profile, which is based on the values on these genetic markers for which you have been tested, correspond to people currently living in those parts of the world, predicted as a percentage. For example, if your report says that your genetic profile includes 15% Scandinavian, this does not mean that 15% of your ancestors came from Scandinavian countries. In fact, it is very possible that none of your ancestors were ever in Scandinavia. What it does mean is this: Your genetic profile indicates that you share approximately 15% of the markers that you had tested with those people who are known to have Scandinavian ancestry. What the tests can never tell you is whether you inherited those markers from an ancestor who was truly Scandinavian or whether you inherited those markers from an ancestor who was also common to people who migrated to the Scandinavian countries at some time later in history. The difference is a bit subtle but it does have significant implications as to where you think your ancestors came from in the world. Also be aware that only some of your markers are tested. The companies that do the testing pick a representative small number of markers. You can have more markers tested, which will refine your results and increase the confidence level of your results, but you have to pay more for this. Regards, Roy On Sunday, January 20, 2019, 6:01:40 p.m. EST, bguysmom via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: I have done ancestry family tree 23&me I had my brothers do Ancestry to see the German it says Great Britian when I know 100% my Kircher Tobias are from Billed Hungary. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: MARY ANN HUESER <mahueser@hotmail.com> Date: 1/20/19 5:44 PM (GMT-05:00) To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] DNA Testing There was a great program on TV the other night regarding finding out what nationality you are by doing DNA testing. Hopefully, copying and pasting will get you the program to watch on line. https://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/episodes/2018-2019/dna-ancestry-tests-can-you-trust-the-results Mary Ann _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
My ancestry DNA also showed a high percent of "Great Britain" it also showed "Western European Germanic". There are some known migrations of groups over the last 2200 years. There are also some common DNA points shared. I had actually called ancestry about this a couple of years ago. After that point they changed my profile considerably when they took new samples 3 times the size of the previous. Here is what I found: - DNA wise, the English showed about 23% as Irish. This was not surprising since the previous residents were Celts until the Romans invaded. - Banat DNA (at least mine) corresponds to the Germanic and French (but you say, the French are also Germanic, yes!) and some Italian and Greek and a few other groups (known history). My ancestors came from (at least on one part of my mom's maternal line) Luxembourg, Luxembourg; Luxembourg, Belgium and Alsace. These three tiny places all border each other and are on the border with Germandy and France. I have been told by relatives who are also doing the research that there was something like a crescent (my term) that stretched across northern Geermany to Poland and maybe a bit farther east that wrapped around to the south. - Migration wise, the Celts (or Gauls or as in the bible the Galatians) occupied the continent from the Pyrenes across what is now modern France and then down below modern Germany and across to what is now the northern part of modern Turkey (hence the epistle to the "Galatians" in "Asia" (Asia Minor as it is at times called.) - The Romans came and conquered the Gauls (Juliau Ceaser's commentaries). So Italians moved in to colonize. After a while more "Germanic" tribes migrated from the east and settled in France (the Franks) and other places (Spain - the Goths and Visigoths). The Germans also sacked Rome (the Vandals from which is derived the term "vandalism". - Before the Germanic invasions of the empire, the Romans managed to occupy quite a bit of Britain. - After the western part of the empire crumbled, more Germanic tribes also invaded Britain. (Anyone learn about the Angles (from whence the name "England" is derived) Saxons, and Jutes) - After the Angles, Saxons and Jutes, "Norse Men" (Norman) and Danes, and others used to pillage and plunder England. - By the time Harols was king, William of Normandy invaded. So there. Now we have French, Norman, Italian, and three proinces of Germany sharing their DNA with the "Irish" (Some might say I stretch that, but only a wee bit). Of course they confuse us and think we are part "Great Britain". On top of it all, anyone who knows the origin of my surname should see that my father was completely Irish. So my DNA under the revised version has me at between 50 and 59% Irish) OK. I thought that was fun typing it all up! LOL Michael Nolan (ancestors Devaney, Finn, Murphy and others.) > On January 20, 2019 at 8:16 PM Roy Engel <royengel@rogers.com mailto:royengel@rogers.com > wrote: > > > It is important to understand the difference between nationality and ancestry. They have different definitions. A person's nationality is the name of the country in which they hold citizenship. It has no direct relationship to their ancestry. Those of us that live in the USA or Canada know this to be very obvious, unless you happen to belong to the indigenous community in North America. If we have a discussion about ancestry, we have to clarify if we wish to discuss cultural or ethnic ancestry, or whether we want to discuss DNA ancestry. Once again, they are not necessarily the same thing. A person's ethnic or cultural ancestry generally refers to the location, language, customs, cuisine, etc. that was the realm of their most recent ancestors. To put it bluntly, if your immediate ancestors spoke German, wore lederhosen and ate bratwurst, they were Germanic and no DNA test will change this. DNA ancestry, when it is used to estimate an individual's geographic origin, is an attempt to define a person's deep ancestral roots based on statistics from a large DNA database of individuals. The CBC Marketplace investigation showed that this is not an exacting science because each DNA ancestry provider uses their own database and that is fraught with two main problems. Firstly, any database, no matter how large, is only a sampling. Secondly, as was pointed out in the TV report, almost all human DNA is the same. About 99% of our DNA is the same, so teasing out small differences on certain key chromosome markers was not an easy task. One of the biggest problems is that it is impossible to know exactly how humans migrated throughout the world since the dawn of modern humanity. Nobody kept any records in those very early days. We can only rely on anthropological clues and what we can infer from the distribution of people around the world in modern times. I think we can confidently assume that genetically distinct people did not move as distinct, cohesiv e groups throughout human history without any mixing. This is exactly why the pie charts and percentages that you receive with your results never give you a result that is 100% of any given ancestry. My biggest frustration is that these percentages are never properly explained and the CBC report failed to do so as well. When you see a breakdown of your results with percentages of various ancestries, it does not mean that you have ancestors that ever lived in those parts of the world. What it does mean is that your genetic profile, which is based on the values on these genetic markers for which you have been tested, correspond to people currently living in those parts of the world, predicted as a percentage. For example, if your report says that your genetic profile includes 15% Scandinavian, this does not mean that 15% of your ancestors came from Scandinavian countries. In fact, it is very possible that none of your ancestors were ever in Scandinavia. What it does mean is thi s: Your genetic profile indicates that you share approximately 15% of the markers that you had tested with those people who are known to have Scandinavian ancestry. What the tests can never tell you is whether you inherited those markers from an ancestor who was truly Scandinavian or whether you inherited those markers from an ancestor who was also common to people who migrated to the Scandinavian countries at some time later in history. The difference is a bit subtle but it does have significant implications as to where you think your ancestors came from in the world. Also be aware that only some of your markers are tested. The companies that do the testing pick a representative small number of markers. You can have more markers tested, which will refine your results and increase the confidence level of your results, but you have to pay more for this. > Regards, > Roy > On Sunday, January 20, 2019, 6:01:40 p.m. EST, bguysmom via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com mailto:donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > wrote: > > I have done ancestry family tree 23&me I had my brothers do Ancestry to see the German it says Great Britian when I know 100% my Kircher Tobias are from Billed Hungary. > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > -------- Original message --------From: MARY ANN HUESER <mahueser@hotmail.com mailto:mahueser@hotmail.com > Date: 1/20/19 5:44 PM (GMT-05:00) To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com mailto:donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] DNA Testing > There was a great program on TV the other night regarding finding out what nationality you are by doing DNA testing. > > Hopefully, copying and pasting will get you the program to watch on line. > > https://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/episodes/2018-2019/dna-ancestry-tests-can-you-trust-the-results > > > Mary Ann > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >
Thank you Roy for that thorough explanation. Robyne Somerville On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 3:16 PM +1100, "Roy Engel" <royengel@rogers.com> wrote: It is important to understand the difference between nationality and ancestry. They have different definitions. A person's nationality is the name of the country in which they hold citizenship. It has no direct relationship to their ancestry. Those of us that live in the USA or Canada know this to be very obvious, unless you happen to belong to the indigenous community in North America. If we have a discussion about ancestry, we have to clarify if we wish to discuss cultural or ethnic ancestry, or whether we want to discuss DNA ancestry. Once again, they are not necessarily the same thing. A person's ethnic or cultural ancestry generally refers to the location, language, customs, cuisine, etc. that was the realm of their most recent ancestors. To put it bluntly, if your immediate ancestors spoke German, wore lederhosen and ate bratwurst, they were Germanic and no DNA test will change this. DNA ancestry, when it is used to estimate an individual's geographic origin, is an attempt to define a person's deep ancestral roots based on statistics from a large DNA database of individuals. The CBC Marketplace investigation showed that this is not an exacting science because each DNA ancestry provider uses their own database and that is fraught with two main problems. Firstly, any database, no matter how large, is only a sampling. Secondly, as was pointed out in the TV report, almost all human DNA is the same. About 99% of our DNA is the same, so teasing out small differences on certain key chromosome markers was not an easy task. One of the biggest problems is that it is impossible to know exactly how humans migrated throughout the world since the dawn of modern humanity. Nobody kept any records in those very early days. We can only rely on anthropological clues and what we can infer from the distribution of people around the world in modern times. I think we can confidently assume that genetically distinct people did not move as distinct, cohesive groups throughout human history without any mixing. This is exactly why the pie charts and percentages that you receive with your results never give you a result that is 100% of any given ancestry. My biggest frustration is that these percentages are never properly explained and the CBC report failed to do so as well. When you see a breakdown of your results with percentages of various ancestries, it does not mean that you have ancestors that ever lived in those parts of the world. What it does mean is that your genetic profile, which is based on the values on these genetic markers for which you have been tested, correspond to people currently living in those parts of the world, predicted as a percentage. For example, if your report says that your genetic profile includes 15% Scandinavian, this does not mean that 15% of your ancestors came from Scandinavian countries. In fact, it is very possible that none of your ancestors were ever in Scandinavia. What it does mean is this: Your genetic profile indicates that you share approximately 15% of the markers that you had tested with those people who are known to have Scandinavian ancestry. What the tests can never tell you is whether you inherited those markers from an ancestor who was truly Scandinavian or whether you inherited those markers from an ancestor who was also common to people who migrated to the Scandinavian countries at some time later in history. The difference is a bit subtle but it does have significant implications as to where you think your ancestors came from in the world. Also be aware that only some of your markers are tested. The companies that do the testing pick a representative small number of markers. You can have more markers tested, which will refine your results and increase the confidence level of your results, but you have to pay more for this. Regards, Roy On Sunday, January 20, 2019, 6:01:40 p.m. EST, bguysmom via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES wrote: I have done ancestry family tree 23&me I had my brothers do Ancestry to see the German it says Great Britian when I know 100% my Kircher Tobias are from Billed Hungary. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: MARY ANN HUESER Date: 1/20/19 5:44 PM (GMT-05:00) To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] DNA Testing There was a great program on TV the other night regarding finding out what nationality you are by doing DNA testing. Hopefully, copying and pasting will get you the program to watch on line. https://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/episodes/2018-2019/dna-ancestry-tests-can-you-trust-the-results Mary Ann _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
Well said Roy. (I shake my head at all the people that think that DNA testing can bypass all the hard work it takes to do genealogy research.) Mary Ann ________________________________ From: Roy Engel <royengel@rogers.com> Sent: Monday 21 January 2019 04:16 To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) Cc: bguysmom Subject: [DVHH] Re: DNA Testing It is important to understand the difference between nationality and ancestry. They have different definitions. A person's nationality is the name of the country in which they hold citizenship. It has no direct relationship to their ancestry. Those of us that live in the USA or Canada know this to be very obvious, unless you happen to belong to the indigenous community in North America. If we have a discussion about ancestry, we have to clarify if we wish to discuss cultural or ethnic ancestry, or whether we want to discuss DNA ancestry. Once again, they are not necessarily the same thing. A person's ethnic or cultural ancestry generally refers to the location, language, customs, cuisine, etc. that was the realm of their most recent ancestors. To put it bluntly, if your immediate ancestors spoke German, wore lederhosen and ate bratwurst, they were Germanic and no DNA test will change this. DNA ancestry, when it is used to estimate an individual's geographic origin, is an attempt to define a person's deep ancestral roots based on statistics from a large DNA database of individuals. The CBC Marketplace investigation showed that this is not an exacting science because each DNA ancestry provider uses their own database and that is fraught with two main problems. Firstly, any database, no matter how large, is only a sampling. Secondly, as was pointed out in the TV report, almost all human DNA is the same. About 99% of our DNA is the same, so teasing out small differences on certain key chromosome markers was not an easy task. One of the biggest problems is that it is impossible to know exactly how humans migrated throughout the world since the dawn of modern humanity. Nobody kept any records in those very early days. We can only rely on anthropological clues and what we can infer from the distribution of people around the world in modern times. I think we can confidently assume that genetically distinct people did not move as distinct, cohesive groups throughout human history without any mixing. This is exactly why the pie charts and percentages that you receive with your results never give you a result that is 100% of any given ancestry. My biggest frustration is that these percentages are never properly explained and the CBC report failed to do so as well. When you see a breakdown of your results with percentages of various ancestries, it does not mean that you have ancestors that ever lived in those parts of the world. What it does mean is that your genetic profile, which is based on the values on these genetic markers for which you have been tested, correspond to people currently living in those parts of the world, predicted as a percentage. For example, if your report says that your genetic profile includes 15% Scandinavian, this does not mean that 15% of your ancestors came from Scandinavian countries. In fact, it is very possible that none of your ancestors were ever in Scandinavia. What it does mean is this: Your genetic profile indicates that you share approximately 15% of the markers that you had tested with those people who are known to have Scandinavian ancestry. What the tests can never tell you is whether you inherited those markers from an ancestor who was truly Scandinavian or whether you inherited those markers from an ancestor who was also common to people who migrated to the Scandinavian countries at some time later in history. The difference is a bit subtle but it does have significant implications as to where you think your ancestors came from in the world. Also be aware that only some of your markers are tested. The companies that do the testing pick a representative small number of markers. You can have more markers tested, which will refine your results and increase the confidence level of your results, but you have to pay more for this. Regards, Roy On Sunday, January 20, 2019, 6:01:40 p.m. EST, bguysmom via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: I have done ancestry family tree 23&me I had my brothers do Ancestry to see the German it says Great Britian when I know 100% my Kircher Tobias are from Billed Hungary. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: MARY ANN HUESER <mahueser@hotmail.com> Date: 1/20/19 5:44 PM (GMT-05:00) To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] DNA Testing There was a great program on TV the other night regarding finding out what nationality you are by doing DNA testing. Hopefully, copying and pasting will get you the program to watch on line. https://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/episodes/2018-2019/dna-ancestry-tests-can-you-trust-the-results Mary Ann _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
Mary Ann, DNA cannot bypass the paper trail. But it is still a valuable took to find clues and provide proof support for conventional genealogy! The two together are called, genetic genealogy. What is valuable is DNA cousin matching, But people are buying DNA kits to see their ethnicity estimate, and not for genealogy research. Most are not interested in that. Then there are some who foolishly think DNA will provide the names and places of their ancestors which of course, it can not. An example of a clue I have uncovered via DNA cousin matching with Ancestry DNA. Two cousins with the surname Kreis appeared in my matches. I had no idea how I would be related. So, I started researching their families working back from what I knew (using conventional genealogy) I discovered their family came to Alexanderhilft, South Russia and then some descendants lived in Rosenfeld where my Dietrich family was living. Then I discovered several sons were born in Kischker Hungary, where my great great grandfather was born. I'm still working on finding the common ancestor, but my point is, I would never have known any of this without DNA! I think it is possible that my Johann Dietrich's wife Katharina, may have been Katharina Kreis? We'll see. It will take more hard work to figure it out. :-) BTW neither the Kries family or Dietrich family appear in the two OFBs for Kischker. Other than in the book Roy is translating (Unforgettable Kisker) There is mention of a third Dietrich family living in house 107, but who did not remain there long. Could be my Dietrich family? Kind regards, Kelly ________________________________ From: MARY ANN HUESER <mahueser@hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 8:03 PM To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) Subject: [DVHH] Re: DNA Testing Well said Roy. (I shake my head at all the people that think that DNA testing can bypass all the hard work it takes to do genealogy research.) Mary Ann ________________________________ From: Roy Engel <royengel@rogers.com> Sent: Monday 21 January 2019 04:16 To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) Cc: bguysmom Subject: [DVHH] Re: DNA Testing It is important to understand the difference between nationality and ancestry. They have different definitions. A person's nationality is the name of the country in which they hold citizenship. It has no direct relationship to their ancestry. Those of us that live in the USA or Canada know this to be very obvious, unless you happen to belong to the indigenous community in North America. If we have a discussion about ancestry, we have to clarify if we wish to discuss cultural or ethnic ancestry, or whether we want to discuss DNA ancestry. Once again, they are not necessarily the same thing. A person's ethnic or cultural ancestry generally refers to the location, language, customs, cuisine, etc. that was the realm of their most recent ancestors. To put it bluntly, if your immediate ancestors spoke German, wore lederhosen and ate bratwurst, they were Germanic and no DNA test will change this. DNA ancestry, when it is used to estimate an individual's geographic origin, is an att empt to define a person's deep ancestral roots based on statistics from a large DNA database of individuals. The CBC Marketplace investigation showed that this is not an exacting science because each DNA ancestry provider uses their own database and that is fraught with two main problems. Firstly, any database, no matter how large, is only a sampling. Secondly, as was pointed out in the TV report, almost all human DNA is the same. About 99% of our DNA is the same, so teasing out small differences on certain key chromosome markers was not an easy task. One of the biggest problems is that it is impossible to know exactly how humans migrated throughout the world since the dawn of modern humanity. Nobody kept any records in those very early days. We can only rely on anthropological clues and what we can infer from the distribution of people around the world in modern times. I think we can confidently assume that genetically distinct people did not move as distinct, cohesive grou ps throughout human history without any mixing. This is exactly why the pie charts and percentages that you receive with your results never give you a result that is 100% of any given ancestry. My biggest frustration is that these percentages are never properly explained and the CBC report failed to do so as well. When you see a breakdown of your results with percentages of various ancestries, it does not mean that you have ancestors that ever lived in those parts of the world. What it does mean is that your genetic profile, which is based on the values on these genetic markers for which you have been tested, correspond to people currently living in those parts of the world, predicted as a percentage. For example, if your report says that your genetic profile includes 15% Scandinavian, this does not mean that 15% of your ancestors came from Scandinavian countries. In fact, it is very possible that none of your ancestors were ever in Scandinavia. What it does mean is this: Yo ur genetic profile indicates that you share approximately 15% of the markers that you had tested with those people who are known to have Scandinavian ancestry. What the tests can never tell you is whether you inherited those markers from an ancestor who was truly Scandinavian or whether you inherited those markers from an ancestor who was also common to people who migrated to the Scandinavian countries at some time later in history. The difference is a bit subtle but it does have significant implications as to where you think your ancestors came from in the world. Also be aware that only some of your markers are tested. The companies that do the testing pick a representative small number of markers. You can have more markers tested, which will refine your results and increase the confidence level of your results, but you have to pay more for this. Regards, Roy On Sunday, January 20, 2019, 6:01:40 p.m. EST, bguysmom via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: I have done ancestry family tree 23&me I had my brothers do Ancestry to see the German it says Great Britian when I know 100% my Kircher Tobias are from Billed Hungary. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: MARY ANN HUESER <mahueser@hotmail.com> Date: 1/20/19 5:44 PM (GMT-05:00) To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] DNA Testing There was a great program on TV the other night regarding finding out what nationality you are by doing DNA testing. Hopefully, copying and pasting will get you the program to watch on line. https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbc.ca%2Fmarketplace%2Fepisodes%2F2018-2019%2Fdna-ancestry-tests-can-you-trust-the-results&data=02%7C01%7C%7C85788878f16b4c46032808d67fdb9cc2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836978538016474&sdata=4mQIg7oHasP1uhfRFovng0t0WEbZPNDf87C%2BBTlIwLQ%3D&reserved=0 Mary Ann _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2Frootswebpref&data=02%7C01%7C%7C85788878f16b4c46032808d67fdb9cc2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836978538016474&sdata=0FeuYf43shIXNT5Q02qCF1o5wzDhfik%2FU26rQ3i2NqQ%3D&reserved=0 Unsubscribe 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Roy...well said. Today's very inexpensive DNA testing is based on an infinitesimal amount of DNA that is "compared" to other samplings and then extrapolated by percentages (not exact scientific testing) to fit a predetermined pattern...and is about current GEOGRAPHY and NOT so much about GENETICS. Also, Where your ancestors came from is Geography..what languages they spoke, food they ate, religions they practiced are called Ethnicity..and does NOT necessarily have anything to do with Genetics/Biology.Example..my granddaughters are genetically Asian and were born in China. Nothing...not what they eat, language they speak, religion they may practice, or where they may live now or in the future will make them Caucasian (genetically white). They are now geographically American, and depending on their choices they may decide to live in France, Africa or Buenos Aires..none of which changes their genetic makeup. So...what are they in 200 years...Americans...or Asians? Genetics vs. Nationality/Ethnicity...Biology vs. Geography.Karen. On Monday, January 21, 2019, 3:04:14 PM EST, MARY ANN HUESER <mahueser@hotmail.com> wrote: Well said Roy. (I shake my head at all the people that think that DNA testing can bypass all the hard work it takes to do genealogy research.) Mary Ann ________________________________ From: Roy Engel <royengel@rogers.com> Sent: Monday 21 January 2019 04:16 To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) Cc: bguysmom Subject: [DVHH] Re: DNA Testing It is important to understand the difference between nationality and ancestry. They have different definitions. A person's nationality is the name of the country in which they hold citizenship. It has no direct relationship to their ancestry. Those of us that live in the USA or Canada know this to be very obvious, unless you happen to belong to the indigenous community in North America. If we have a discussion about ancestry, we have to clarify if we wish to discuss cultural or ethnic ancestry, or whether we want to discuss DNA ancestry. Once again, they are not necessarily the same thing. A person's ethnic or cultural ancestry generally refers to the location, language, customs, cuisine, etc. that was the realm of their most recent ancestors. To put it bluntly, if your immediate ancestors spoke German, wore lederhosen and ate bratwurst, they were Germanic and no DNA test will change this. DNA ancestry, when it is used to estimate an individual's geographic origin, is an att empt to define a person's deep ancestral roots based on statistics from a large DNA database of individuals. The CBC Marketplace investigation showed that this is not an exacting science because each DNA ancestry provider uses their own database and that is fraught with two main problems. Firstly, any database, no matter how large, is only a sampling. Secondly, as was pointed out in the TV report, almost all human DNA is the same. About 99% of our DNA is the same, so teasing out small differences on certain key chromosome markers was not an easy task. One of the biggest problems is that it is impossible to know exactly how humans migrated throughout the world since the dawn of modern humanity. Nobody kept any records in those very early days. We can only rely on anthropological clues and what we can infer from the distribution of people around the world in modern times. I think we can confidently assume that genetically distinct people did not move as distinct, cohesive grou ps throughout human history without any mixing. This is exactly why the pie charts and percentages that you receive with your results never give you a result that is 100% of any given ancestry. My biggest frustration is that these percentages are never properly explained and the CBC report failed to do so as well. When you see a breakdown of your results with percentages of various ancestries, it does not mean that you have ancestors that ever lived in those parts of the world. What it does mean is that your genetic profile, which is based on the values on these genetic markers for which you have been tested, correspond to people currently living in those parts of the world, predicted as a percentage. For example, if your report says that your genetic profile includes 15% Scandinavian, this does not mean that 15% of your ancestors came from Scandinavian countries. In fact, it is very possible that none of your ancestors were ever in Scandinavia. What it does mean is this: Yo ur genetic profile indicates that you share approximately 15% of the markers that you had tested with those people who are known to have Scandinavian ancestry. What the tests can never tell you is whether you inherited those markers from an ancestor who was truly Scandinavian or whether you inherited those markers from an ancestor who was also common to people who migrated to the Scandinavian countries at some time later in history. The difference is a bit subtle but it does have significant implications as to where you think your ancestors came from in the world. Also be aware that only some of your markers are tested. The companies that do the testing pick a representative small number of markers. You can have more markers tested, which will refine your results and increase the confidence level of your results, but you have to pay more for this. Regards, Roy On Sunday, January 20, 2019, 6:01:40 p.m. EST, bguysmom via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: I have done ancestry family tree 23&me I had my brothers do Ancestry to see the German it says Great Britian when I know 100% my Kircher Tobias are from Billed Hungary. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: MARY ANN HUESER <mahueser@hotmail.com> Date: 1/20/19 5:44 PM (GMT-05:00) To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] DNA Testing There was a great program on TV the other night regarding finding out what nationality you are by doing DNA testing. Hopefully, copying and pasting will get you the program to watch on line. https://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/episodes/2018-2019/dna-ancestry-tests-can-you-trust-the-results Mary Ann _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
Ancestry updated their algorithm several months back. All my mystery Great Britain went away and was replaced by Germanic and France. All my Donauschwaben originated in the Black Forest / Alsace Lorraine region. Thus, my DNA ethnicity is now 100% spot on. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 4:45 PM, MARY ANN HUESER<mahueser@hotmail.com> wrote: There was a great program on TV the other night regarding finding out what nationality you are by doing DNA testing. Hopefully, copying and pasting will get you the program to watch on line. https://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/episodes/2018-2019/dna-ancestry-tests-can-you-trust-the-results Mary Ann _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
So, how do I now access my previous results on this new algorithm? ________________________________ From: B. Heinsohn via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Sent: January 20, 2019 11:57 PM To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH); MARY ANN HUESER; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Cc: B. Heinsohn Subject: [DVHH] Re: DNA Testing Ancestry updated their algorithm several months back. All my mystery Great Britain went away and was replaced by Germanic and France. All my Donauschwaben originated in the Black Forest / Alsace Lorraine region. Thus, my DNA ethnicity is now 100% spot on. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 4:45 PM, MARY ANN HUESER<mahueser@hotmail.com> wrote: There was a great program on TV the other night regarding finding out what nationality you are by doing DNA testing. Hopefully, copying and pasting will get you the program to watch on line. https://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/episodes/2018-2019/dna-ancestry-tests-can-you-trust-the-results Mary Ann _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
There should be a button on the ancestry site that allows that under "discover your DNA Story". I updated mine a few months ago and all of a sudden my Germanic Number went way up. On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 10:24 AM Tony Fieder <aefieder@hotmail.com> wrote: > So, how do I now access my previous results on this new algorithm? > > ________________________________ > From: B. Heinsohn via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < > donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Sent: January 20, 2019 11:57 PM > To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH); MARY ANN HUESER; > donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Cc: B. Heinsohn > Subject: [DVHH] Re: DNA Testing > > Ancestry updated their algorithm several months back. All my mystery > Great Britain went away and was replaced by Germanic and France. All my > Donauschwaben originated in the Black Forest / Alsace Lorraine region. > Thus, my DNA ethnicity is now 100% spot on. > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 4:45 PM, MARY ANN HUESER<mahueser@hotmail.com> > wrote: There was a great program on TV the other night regarding finding > out what nationality you are by doing DNA testing. > > Hopefully, copying and pasting will get you the program to watch on line. > > > https://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/episodes/2018-2019/dna-ancestry-tests-can-you-trust-the-results > > > Mary Ann > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >
One should keep in mind that these are "Ethnicity Estimates" based on a reference population as Roy Engel explained. The important thing, is, it is indeed just an estimate, not a fact! What is important, and and should be fact, are DNA cousin matches above a certain amount of common DNA. I personally use the figure of the largest common segment of 10 centimorgans or more. Ancestry DNA will only show matches of 6 centimorgans or more. So, doing genealogy research, we usually know who are ancestors were and where they came from. In my case they were German, Norwegian, French (form the Pyrenees) , and Irish. So that should be my ethnicity right? Well I've tested with four DNA testing companies and they all gave me different ethnicity estimates!! And none of them really match what I know about my ancestors. Ancestry DNA had been the closest to being correct until they updated their reference populations and algorithms. So I was about 41% western European and the rest about equal amounts of Scandinavian, Irish and Iberian (the French from the Pyrenees) Now all of sudden I'm a large percentage of England, Wales and Northwestern Europe. Well I know I have no English ancestors. Looking at their map you will see that they lumping in south western Germany (where many of our ancestors came from) with England and Wales which will be very misleading for many of their customers. No idea why they did this but it seams bogus to me. Anyway, my point is that we should not take these estimates too seriously! Though it is kind of fun, but for the testing companies, its what sells DNA kits. Kind regards, Kelly ________________________________ From: Andy David <adavid1608@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 3:53 PM To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) Subject: [DVHH] Re: DNA Testing There should be a button on the ancestry site that allows that under "discover your DNA Story". I updated mine a few months ago and all of a sudden my Germanic Number went way up. On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 10:24 AM Tony Fieder <aefieder@hotmail.com> wrote: > So, how do I now access my previous results on this new algorithm? > > ________________________________ > From: B. Heinsohn via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < > donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Sent: January 20, 2019 11:57 PM > To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH); MARY ANN HUESER; > donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Cc: B. Heinsohn > Subject: [DVHH] Re: DNA Testing > > Ancestry updated their algorithm several months back. All my mystery > Great Britain went away and was replaced by Germanic and France. All my > Donauschwaben originated in the Black Forest / Alsace Lorraine region. > Thus, my DNA ethnicity is now 100% spot on. > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 4:45 PM, MARY ANN HUESER<mahueser@hotmail.com> > wrote: There was a great program on TV the other night regarding finding > out what nationality you are by doing DNA testing. > > Hopefully, copying and pasting will get you the program to watch on line. > > > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbc.ca%2Fmarketplace%2Fepisodes%2F2018-2019%2Fdna-ancestry-tests-can-you-trust-the-results&data=02%7C01%7C%7C20398bbaee6e46a8d04208d67fb8aaae%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836828446639629&sdata=kD37TlF8juLwP%2BkOYIZN4x67Kf2Jdt3g%2BL4195iPZ9k%3D&reserved=0 > > > Mary Ann > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: 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I'm hopping on this train of thought a bit later but I smiled when I read that Kelly had more than one DNA testing. I, too, had more than one testing. My first was with ancestry.com and I was surprised at some of the percentages. My husband whose lineage traces back for generations had percentages from England and Germany that surprised us. I know that my ancestors came from Germany and Hungary for generations. My husbands highest percentage came from Eastern Europe and my highest came from England!!! Okay, that's possible because the DNA goes farther back than we can even guess. Then I was offered a gift that could be used in the MyHeritage gift shop. I thought it was a good time to see how the DNA was measured in Myeritage.com. Oh, my! No matching with ancestry.com! How interesting! Both sites are owned by the same group! The only thing that was obvious was that they aren't using the results of the DNA submitted to ancestry.com. As with Kelly in the stream below, I'm sticking with the test done by ancestry.com--the results from that website were closest to what I expected. So, am I relying on what I was expecting? Should I rely on what I didn't expect? Or . . . did my DNA change (oh, that's silly)? Who knows? It's certainly fun! Rose Mary Keller Hughes www.dvhh.org/semlak -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Dazet <kellydazet@hotmail.com> Sent: 21 January, 2019 11:20 AM To: Andy David <adavid1608@gmail.com>; Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DVHH] Re: DNA Testing One should keep in mind that these are "Ethnicity Estimates" based on a reference population as Roy Engel explained. The important thing, is, it is indeed just an estimate, not a fact! What is important, and and should be fact, are DNA cousin matches above a certain amount of common DNA. I personally use the figure of the largest common segment of 10 centimorgans or more. Ancestry DNA will only show matches of 6 centimorgans or more. So, doing genealogy research, we usually know who are ancestors were and where they came from. In my case they were German, Norwegian, French (form the Pyrenees) , and Irish. So that should be my ethnicity right? Well I've tested with four DNA testing companies and they all gave me different ethnicity estimates!! And none of them really match what I know about my ancestors. Ancestry DNA had been the closest to being correct until they updated their reference populations and algorithms. So I was about 41% western European and the rest about equal amounts of Scandinavian, Irish and Iberian (the French from the Pyrenees) Now all of sudden I'm a large percentage of England, Wales and Northwestern Europe. Well I know I have no English ancestors. Looking at their map you will see that they lumping in south western Germany (where many of our ancestors came from) with England and Wales which will be very misleading for many of their customers. No idea why they did this but it seams bogus to me. Anyway, my point is that we should not take these estimates too seriously! Though it is kind of fun, but for the testing companies, its what sells DNA kits. Kind regards, Kelly ________________________________ From: Andy David <adavid1608@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 3:53 PM To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) Subject: [DVHH] Re: DNA Testing There should be a button on the ancestry site that allows that under "discover your DNA Story". I updated mine a few months ago and all of a sudden my Germanic Number went way up. On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 10:24 AM Tony Fieder <aefieder@hotmail.com> wrote: > So, how do I now access my previous results on this new algorithm? > > ________________________________ > From: B. Heinsohn via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < > donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Sent: January 20, 2019 11:57 PM > To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH); MARY ANN HUESER; > donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Cc: B. Heinsohn > Subject: [DVHH] Re: DNA Testing > > Ancestry updated their algorithm several months back. All my mystery > Great Britain went away and was replaced by Germanic and France. 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