Klein: I'm stuck. Johann Peter Klein was born about 1737. Died 1798 in Gyoenk, Tolna, Schwaebische Tuerkei. His wife was Maria Elisabetha, maiden name unknown. His father was Georg Philip Klein, who died before 1750. Based on the years he was having children, Georg Philip was probably born before the 1720s when Germans were coming to Schwaebische Tuerkei. So he was probably born in Germany, but I have no clues where to look. Bitz: Jacob Bitz died 1797 in Verbas. The Stader book said he was born 1740 in Wiesloch, Heidelberg, Germany, but I couldn't find a birth record for him there. Schmidt: Balsamina Schmidt - I know almost nothing about her except she was married to Jacob Bitz (who was born in 1740, so she might have been born around the same time). Family lived in Verbas. ____________________________ Carolyn Schott Author of “Visiting Your Ancestral Town” Follow me on Facebook! Email: carolyn@carolynschott.com
Hi Carolyn, I think we corresponded once before about the Schmidts in Verbas/New Verbas. I did see Jacob and Balsamina listed in one of the OFBs for Verbas. Also found a likely relation in the 1816 Census for Freundental, Odessa, South Russia (Ukraine). (from Stumpp) House 65 Bitz, Jakob 33, aus: Wieslodt / Heidelberg-Ba (1784 ü. Neuverbas / Ungarn), seine Frau Katharina 29, seine Töchter Margaretha 8, Magdalena 6, Elisabeth 3, Christina 1. This is my Schmidt family in that same Census, also from Verbas House 69, s. audt 40 Sdtmitt, Margaretha (Becker), 1814 nach der Kolonie Neuburg wiederverheiratet, ihre Kinder Simon 20, Peter 25, dessen Frau Margaretha 25, seine Kinder Sophie 4, Johann 2. Margaretha Becker was married to Ludwig Schmidt who came from Tahlfang, Pflaz as a Widower with many children mostly daughters but none were listed as Basamina I wonder if there could be a relationship because I seem to recall a Bitz as a witness on one of the Schmidt children baptisms, though I can't find it at the moment. As you may know the Village of Freudental was founded by Lutheran emigrants from Germans from Hungary, mostly from the Batschka, and few from the Banat. Kind regards, Kelly ________________________________ From: Carolyn Schott <cgschott@comcast.net> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 4:49 PM To: 'Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH)' Subject: [DVHH] Roll Call - Klein in GYOENK and VERBAS; Bitz & Schmidt in VERBAS Klein: I'm stuck. Johann Peter Klein was born about 1737. Died 1798 in Gyoenk, Tolna, Schwaebische Tuerkei. His wife was Maria Elisabetha, maiden name unknown. His father was Georg Philip Klein, who died before 1750. Based on the years he was having children, Georg Philip was probably born before the 1720s when Germans were coming to Schwaebische Tuerkei. So he was probably born in Germany, but I have no clues where to look. Bitz: Jacob Bitz died 1797 in Verbas. The Stader book said he was born 1740 in Wiesloch, Heidelberg, Germany, but I couldn't find a birth record for him there. Schmidt: Balsamina Schmidt - I know almost nothing about her except she was married to Jacob Bitz (who was born in 1740, so she might have been born around the same time). Family lived in Verbas. ____________________________ Carolyn Schott Author of “Visiting Your Ancestral Town” Follow me on Facebook! Email: carolyn@carolynschott.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2Frootswebpref&data=02%7C01%7C%7C4cf9023f6e0a4a41c7fd08d67ef752a5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636835998042605660&sdata=QoJm0ZcMJtdhBQBj95qYSvSB7bS%2BuQosRdmGXefXUXM%3D&reserved=0 Unsubscribe https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.com%2Fpostorius%2Flists%2Fdonauschwaben-villages%40rootsweb.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C4cf9023f6e0a4a41c7fd08d67ef752a5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636835998042605660&sdata=yXuS1%2BszxeWsBOFn4g7%2FFQgq%2B2tzQbm%2BDLZ8jo6YTPw%3D&reserved=0 Privacy Statement: https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2JWBOdY&data=02%7C01%7C%7C4cf9023f6e0a4a41c7fd08d67ef752a5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636835998042605660&sdata=ND7mWyuReeVe%2FlucV2Kb3%2FuBqJegniUo9VRJdYySrfc%3D&reserved=0 Terms and Conditions: https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2HDBym9&data=02%7C01%7C%7C4cf9023f6e0a4a41c7fd08d67ef752a5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636835998042605660&sdata=Qh5ispTQtiFpuxv2SlGDdIeCkyTth84C641xAnMq7Z4%3D&reserved=0 Rootsweb Blog: https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frootsweb.blog&data=02%7C01%7C%7C4cf9023f6e0a4a41c7fd08d67ef752a5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636835998042605660&sdata=7Q7tUjVIuc4Du6pUZr67QvSHvbqYjzLSXPbd%2Be4SHo0%3D&reserved=0 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
Hi Kelly, Yes, we have. The Jakob (born about 1783) that you reference from that 1816 census is most likely the son of the Jakob I referenced who died in 1797 in Verbas. Unfortunately, both our references show the Bitz family as coming from Wiesloch (or Wieslodt, which I assume is an error as I dont see a Wieslodt in the Meyers Gazetteer), so it doesnt help me find them. My suspicion is that they may have come from a nearby village and just listed Wiesloch because it was the nearest big town or something. Of course, its been awhile since I looked for that branch of the family, so it may be worth poking around again. But at the moment, Im stumped with them. Those Schmidts are a puzzlement. Such a common name. Its possible my Balsamina and yours were related since theyre both from Verbas, but hard to know. ____________________________ Carolyn Schott Author of <http://carolynschott.com/published/> Visiting Your Ancestral Town Follow me on Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/CarolynSchottAuthor> ! Email: carolyn@carolynschott.com <mailto:carolyn@carolynschott.com> From: Kelly Dazet [mailto:kellydazet@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 10:37 AM To: Carolyn Schott <cgschott@comcast.net>; Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Roll Call - Klein in GYOENK and VERBAS; Bitz & Schmidt in VERBAS Hi Carolyn, I think we corresponded once before about the Schmidts in Verbas/New Verbas. I did see Jacob and Balsamina listed in one of the OFBs for Verbas. Also found a likely relation in the 1816 Census for Freundental, Odessa, South Russia (Ukraine). (from Stumpp) House 65 Bitz, Jakob 33, aus: Wieslodt / Heidelberg-Ba (1784 ü. Neuverbas / Ungarn), seine Frau Katharina 29, seine Töchter Margaretha 8, Magdalena 6, Elisabeth 3, Christina 1. This is my Schmidt family in that same Census, also from Verbas House 69, s. audt 40 Sdtmitt, Margaretha (Becker), 1814 nach der Kolonie Neuburg wiederverheiratet, ihre Kinder Simon 20, Peter 25, dessen Frau Margaretha 25, seine Kinder Sophie 4, Johann 2. Margaretha Becker was married to Ludwig Schmidt who came from Tahlfang, Pflaz as a Widower with many children mostly daughters but none were listed as Basamina I wonder if there could be a relationship because I seem to recall a Bitz as a witness on one of the Schmidt children baptisms, though I can't find it at the moment. As you may know the Village of Freudental was founded by Lutheran emigrants from Germans from Hungary, mostly from the Batschka, and few from the Banat. Kind regards, Kelly _____ From: Carolyn Schott <cgschott@comcast.net <mailto:cgschott@comcast.net> > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 4:49 PM To: 'Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH)' Subject: [DVHH] Roll Call - Klein in GYOENK and VERBAS; Bitz & Schmidt in VERBAS Klein: I'm stuck. Johann Peter Klein was born about 1737. Died 1798 in Gyoenk, Tolna, Schwaebische Tuerkei. His wife was Maria Elisabetha, maiden name unknown. His father was Georg Philip Klein, who died before 1750. Based on the years he was having children, Georg Philip was probably born before the 1720s when Germans were coming to Schwaebische Tuerkei. So he was probably born in Germany, but I have no clues where to look. Bitz: Jacob Bitz died 1797 in Verbas. The Stader book said he was born 1740 in Wiesloch, Heidelberg, Germany, but I couldn't find a birth record for him there. Schmidt: Balsamina Schmidt - I know almost nothing about her except she was married to Jacob Bitz (who was born in 1740, so she might have been born around the same time). Family lived in Verbas. ____________________________ Carolyn Schott Author of Visiting Your Ancestral Town Follow me on Facebook! 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Hi Carolyn, Its Wiesloch. Of course I don't know if this is correct information, though I do know the town's name, near Heidelberg is correct because I lived near there in Dielheim. This was in Baden at the time and there was a lot of emigration east out of this area from 1784 when Lutherans were allowed to settle in Hungary. I wonder about Balsamina and if she could have also been recorded under anther name. Have you done any DNA testing? The villages of Verbas, Neu Verbas, Kischker, and Torshau had many family leave about 1806 for the Odessa and Bessarabia regions of South Russia. Kind regards, Kelly ________________________________ From: Carolyn Schott <cgschott@comcast.net> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 11:15 PM To: 'Kelly Dazet'; 'Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH)' Subject: RE: [DVHH] Roll Call - Klein in GYOENK and VERBAS; Bitz & Schmidt in VERBAS Hi Kelly, Yes, we have. The Jakob (born about 1783) that you reference from that 1816 census is most likely the son of the Jakob I referenced who died in 1797 in Verbas. Unfortunately, both our references show the Bitz family as coming from Wiesloch (or Wieslodt, which I assume is an error as I don’t see a Wieslodt in the Meyers Gazetteer), so it doesn’t help me find them. My suspicion is that they may have come from a nearby village and just listed Wiesloch because it was the nearest big town or something. Of course, it’s been awhile since I looked for that branch of the family, so it may be worth poking around again. But at the moment, I’m stumped with them. Those Schmidts are a puzzlement. Such a common name. 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Email: carolyn@carolynschott.com<mailto:carolyn@carolynschott.com> From: Kelly Dazet [mailto:kellydazet@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 10:37 AM To: Carolyn Schott <cgschott@comcast.net>; Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Roll Call - Klein in GYOENK and VERBAS; Bitz & Schmidt in VERBAS Hi Carolyn, I think we corresponded once before about the Schmidts in Verbas/New Verbas. I did see Jacob and Balsamina listed in one of the OFBs for Verbas. Also found a likely relation in the 1816 Census for Freundental, Odessa, South Russia (Ukraine). (from Stumpp) House 65 Bitz, Jakob 33, aus: Wieslodt / Heidelberg-Ba (1784 ü. Neuverbas / Ungarn), seine Frau Katharina 29, seine Töchter Margaretha 8, Magdalena 6, Elisabeth 3, Christina 1. This is my Schmidt family in that same Census, also from Verbas House 69, s. audt 40 Sdtmitt, Margaretha (Becker), 1814 nach der Kolonie Neuburg wiederverheiratet, ihre Kinder Simon 20, Peter 25, dessen Frau Margaretha 25, seine Kinder Sophie 4, Johann 2. Margaretha Becker was married to Ludwig Schmidt who came from Tahlfang, Pflaz as a Widower with many children mostly daughters but none were listed as Basamina I wonder if there could be a relationship because I seem to recall a Bitz as a witness on one of the Schmidt children baptisms, though I can't find it at the moment. As you may know the Village of Freudental was founded by Lutheran emigrants from Germans from Hungary, mostly from the Batschka, and few from the Banat. Kind regards, Kelly ________________________________ From: Carolyn Schott <cgschott@comcast.net<mailto:cgschott@comcast.net>> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 4:49 PM To: 'Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH)' Subject: [DVHH] Roll Call - Klein in GYOENK and VERBAS; Bitz & Schmidt in VERBAS Klein: I'm stuck. Johann Peter Klein was born about 1737. Died 1798 in Gyoenk, Tolna, Schwaebische Tuerkei. His wife was Maria Elisabetha, maiden name unknown. His father was Georg Philip Klein, who died before 1750. Based on the years he was having children, Georg Philip was probably born before the 1720s when Germans were coming to Schwaebische Tuerkei. So he was probably born in Germany, but I have no clues where to look. Bitz: Jacob Bitz died 1797 in Verbas. The Stader book said he was born 1740 in Wiesloch, Heidelberg, Germany, but I couldn't find a birth record for him there. Schmidt: Balsamina Schmidt - I know almost nothing about her except she was married to Jacob Bitz (who was born in 1740, so she might have been born around the same time). Family lived in Verbas. ____________________________ Carolyn Schott Author of “Visiting Your Ancestral Town” Follow me on Facebook! 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Hi Kelly, Yes, Ive tested my DNA in all the major companies. But for the connections Im looking for (for example, Balsamina Schmidt), Id need to match 6th or 7th cousins to find a connection. And at that level, theres less than a 10% chance wed share any DNA. Its not impossible I recently discovered a 7th cousin match through DNA but not too likely, unfortunately. So for these distant connections, Im focusing on traditional genealogy and will have to keep hunting! ____________________________ Carolyn Schott Author of <http://carolynschott.com/published/> Visiting Your Ancestral Town Follow me on Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/CarolynSchottAuthor> ! Email: carolyn@carolynschott.com <mailto:carolyn@carolynschott.com> From: Kelly Dazet [mailto:kellydazet@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 10:01 PM To: Carolyn Schott <cgschott@comcast.net>; 'Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH)' <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Roll Call - Klein in GYOENK and VERBAS; Bitz & Schmidt in VERBAS Hi Carolyn, Its Wiesloch. Of course I don't know if this is correct information, though I do know the town's name, near Heidelberg is correct because I lived near there in Dielheim. This was in Baden at the time and there was a lot of emigration east out of this area from 1784 when Lutherans were allowed to settle in Hungary. I wonder about Balsamina and if she could have also been recorded under anther name. Have you done any DNA testing? The villages of Verbas, Neu Verbas, Kischker, and Torshau had many family leave about 1806 for the Odessa and Bessarabia regions of South Russia. Kind regards, Kelly _____ From: Carolyn Schott <cgschott@comcast.net <mailto:cgschott@comcast.net> > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 11:15 PM To: 'Kelly Dazet'; 'Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH)' Subject: RE: [DVHH] Roll Call - Klein in GYOENK and VERBAS; Bitz & Schmidt in VERBAS Hi Kelly, Yes, we have. The Jakob (born about 1783) that you reference from that 1816 census is most likely the son of the Jakob I referenced who died in 1797 in Verbas. Unfortunately, both our references show the Bitz family as coming from Wiesloch (or Wieslodt, which I assume is an error as I dont see a Wieslodt in the Meyers Gazetteer), so it doesnt help me find them. My suspicion is that they may have come from a nearby village and just listed Wiesloch because it was the nearest big town or something. Of course, its been awhile since I looked for that branch of the family, so it may be worth poking around again. But at the moment, Im stumped with them. Those Schmidts are a puzzlement. Such a common name. Its possible my Balsamina and yours were related since theyre both from Verbas, but hard to know. ____________________________ Carolyn Schott Author of <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcarolynsch ott.com%2Fpublished%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca3e3d0ccd992493242e008d67f2d343c%7C 84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836229454471097&sdata=W3P69%2B DHwFgZjPZhytsrFvILcqm6ffCuXjXhJxNXrlA%3D&reserved=0> Visiting Your Ancestral Town Follow me on Facebook <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.faceb ook.com%2FCarolynSchottAuthor&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca3e3d0ccd992493242e008d67f2d 343c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836229454471097&sdata=1 8adQoQireooRRmQ8KNmXBKxnFN%2B%2BKNEtpE9Ex66QRI%3D&reserved=0> ! Email: carolyn@carolynschott.com <mailto:carolyn@carolynschott.com> From: Kelly Dazet [mailto:kellydazet@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 10:37 AM To: Carolyn Schott <cgschott@comcast.net <mailto:cgschott@comcast.net> >; Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com <mailto:donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Roll Call - Klein in GYOENK and VERBAS; Bitz & Schmidt in VERBAS Hi Carolyn, I think we corresponded once before about the Schmidts in Verbas/New Verbas. I did see Jacob and Balsamina listed in one of the OFBs for Verbas. Also found a likely relation in the 1816 Census for Freundental, Odessa, South Russia (Ukraine). (from Stumpp) House 65 Bitz, Jakob 33, aus: Wieslodt / Heidelberg-Ba (1784 ü. Neuverbas / Ungarn), seine Frau Katharina 29, seine Töchter Margaretha 8, Magdalena 6, Elisabeth 3, Christina 1. This is my Schmidt family in that same Census, also from Verbas House 69, s. audt 40 Sdtmitt, Margaretha (Becker), 1814 nach der Kolonie Neuburg wiederverheiratet, ihre Kinder Simon 20, Peter 25, dessen Frau Margaretha 25, seine Kinder Sophie 4, Johann 2. Margaretha Becker was married to Ludwig Schmidt who came from Tahlfang, Pflaz as a Widower with many children mostly daughters but none were listed as Basamina I wonder if there could be a relationship because I seem to recall a Bitz as a witness on one of the Schmidt children baptisms, though I can't find it at the moment. As you may know the Village of Freudental was founded by Lutheran emigrants from Germans from Hungary, mostly from the Batschka, and few from the Banat. Kind regards, Kelly _____ From: Carolyn Schott <cgschott@comcast.net <mailto:cgschott@comcast.net> > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 4:49 PM To: 'Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH)' Subject: [DVHH] Roll Call - Klein in GYOENK and VERBAS; Bitz & Schmidt in VERBAS Klein: I'm stuck. Johann Peter Klein was born about 1737. Died 1798 in Gyoenk, Tolna, Schwaebische Tuerkei. His wife was Maria Elisabetha, maiden name unknown. His father was Georg Philip Klein, who died before 1750. Based on the years he was having children, Georg Philip was probably born before the 1720s when Germans were coming to Schwaebische Tuerkei. So he was probably born in Germany, but I have no clues where to look. Bitz: Jacob Bitz died 1797 in Verbas. The Stader book said he was born 1740 in Wiesloch, Heidelberg, Germany, but I couldn't find a birth record for him there. Schmidt: Balsamina Schmidt - I know almost nothing about her except she was married to Jacob Bitz (who was born in 1740, so she might have been born around the same time). Family lived in Verbas. ____________________________ Carolyn Schott Author of Visiting Your Ancestral Town Follow me on Facebook! 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